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The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:56 am

Currently Oasis/Allure of the seas are the largest. Heard that there will be something bigger in the future. Any news/plans?
 
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:41 am

There is no real size limit on a floating object. The limit to cruise ship size is going to be non-engineering.

Let's just consider a cruise ship with 15,000 passengers docking at Curacao. Curacao has a population of 140,000 people, so you've just added 10% to the island's population with that one ship. On any given day at a port like Curacao, there might be three or four ships. See the problem?

And then...how will such a huge ship dock? And where will it be able to?

You also run into safety issues, like the fact that as the ship gets bigger, the volume goes up a lot faster than the perimeter does. Where are you going to fit all the lifeboats? So I do think that we are approaching some practical limits.

That said, there was this idea: http://freedomship.com/

Interestingly, Royal Caribbean (currently the operator of the largest passenger ships ever, the Oasis class) is scaling way down with their new Qantum class. RCCL does have one more Oasis class ship on order with an option for an additional hull. However, most of the cruise ships currently on order are smaller than Oasis.

The sense that I'm getting is that, from a practical point of view, Oasis is the biggest a "cruise ship" can get before the mission profile has to be changed to something other than a "cruise." The current vision is something like a "floating city" wherein people will live and work aboard a ship. I wonder if it is truly economically viable.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:53 am

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Heard that there will be something bigger in the future.

From....?
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:06 am

Isn't Japan building a 500000 tonnes cruise ship? I read it somewhere
 
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:10 am

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Currently Oasis/Allure of the seas are the largest. Heard that there will be something bigger in the future. Any news/plans?

My guess is Quantam of the Seas.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:23 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Isn't Japan building a 500000 tonnes cruise ship? I read it somewhere

  

http://www.cruise-ships.com/cruiseships/

This site always keeps updated with everything either in service, under construction, or on the books and they still list the Oasis-class as the largest, with the third vessel in the class currently under construction.

The former "Project Sunshine" (now formally known as Quantum-class) will be the fourth and fifth largest cruise ships, respectively.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:05 am

Perhaps Japan is just planning?
 
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 6):
Perhaps Japan is just planning?

Were you thinking of this behemoth, which isn't really a ship (and certainly not a cruise ship)?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13709293
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:39 am

No absolutely not. It's a cruise ship. I will do some research
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:52 pm

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 4):
My guess is Quantam of the Seas.
Quantum is smaller, not larger.
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Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:48 pm

The Princess Kaguya has been proposed but I have heard little in recent years. It was supposed to go into service in 2012 according to a Top Speed article in 2007.

www.topspeed.com/boats/boat-news/gig...c-cruise-ship-planned-ar32625.html
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:55 am

I wonder how they will avoid mass sickness and the dangers of fires and mechanical issues on such a large ship or ships. In the last year we have seen all of them in the headlines. In pursuit of profit, they are issues often overlooked. Maybe they are trying to break the Titanic record. Not for me, too big, too complicated, too many people in too small a space.
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:27 am

Nora virus spreads very fast within a cruise ship. I was in Northern Europe on the QE between 1/5 and 15/5 and 30 people got infected.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:01 am

I read somewhere that Royal Caribbean will after the delivery of a third Oasis-class vessel, will be looking to order a larger ship before the end of the decade.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:50 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 12):
Nora virus spreads very fast within a cruise ship. I was in Northern Europe on the QE between 1/5 and 15/5 and 30 people got infected.

Norovirus is a real nuisance, but unless you are very young or very old or otherwise very sick at baseline (in which case you really shouldn't be on a cruise), it is an uncomfortable nuisance.

It's almost impossible to keep it from spreading because patients will shed the virus for days prior to developing symptoms. It can be spread with a simple handshake.

Fortunately, a vaccine is in the pipeline, so hopefully this will not be a long-term problem.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:54 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):

Interestingly, Royal Caribbean (currently the operator of the largest passenger ships ever, the Oasis class) is scaling way down with their new Qantum class.


I don't know about "way" down, Doc. The Quantums will fall between the Freedoms (formerly the largest cruise ships in the world until Oasis was launched) and the Oasis>es. It's not like RCI is going back to the size of their Sovereigns, for instance.

For the sake of demonstratives:

Oasis
Length - 1,181 ft
Tonnage - 225,282 GT
Beam - 154 ft at waterline, 198 ft at extremes
Decks - 16
Capacity - 6,296

Quantum
Length - 1,142 ft
Tonnage - 167,800 GT
Beam - 135 ft
Decks - 18 (16 passenger accessible)
Capacity - 4,905

Freedom
Length - 1,111.5 ft
Tonnage - 154,407 GT
Beam - 126 ft 8 in at waterline, 183 ft 8 in at extremes
Decks - 18 (15 passenger accessible)
Capacity - 4,370

Voyager
Length - 1,021.4 ft
Tonnage - 138,000 GT
Beam - 157.5 ft
Decks - 15
Capacity - 3,114

Radiance
Length - 962 ft
Tonnage - 90,090 GT
Beam - 105.6 ft
Decks - 12
Capacity - 2,501

Vision Pair I (Legend and Splendour)
Length - 867 ft
Tonnage - 70,000 GT
Beam - 105 ft
Decks - 11
Capacity - 2,076

Vision Pair II (Grandeur and Enchantment)
Length - 915 ft (Enchantment later lengthened to 988.71 ft)
Tonnage - 73,817 GT (Enchantment later enlarged to 82,910 GT)
Beam - 106 ft
Decks - 11
Capacity - 2,446 (Grandeur), 2,730 (Enchantment)

Vision Pair III (Rhapsody and Vision)
Length - 915 ft
Tonnage - 78,878 GT (Rhapsody), 78,340 (Vision)
Beam - 117 ft
Decks - 11
Capacity - 2,435

Sovereign
Length - 880.3 ft
Tonnage - 73,192 GT (Sovereign), 73,937 (Monarch), 73,941 (Majesty)
Beam - 105.7 ft
Decks - 12
Capacity - 2,744

(I've not included the Radiance class due to the fact that
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:49 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 12):
I was in Northern Europe on the QE between 1/5 and 15/5 and 30 people got infected.

Whilst it spreads fast 30 is a low number to cause any issues and sounds like it was well contained. Still annoys me when I see fellow passengers not sanitising their hands before boarding the ship and before meals! Its very foolish and selfish.

I had the pleasure of being onboard Azamara Quest yesterday and have to say I really loved it. Obviously alot smaller and more intimate than the mega ships but certainly one for me to do on my own vacation early next year.

A few pics I took :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/Azamara/file_zpsa19a99af.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/Azamara/file_zps81c82075.jpg

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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:50 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
I don't know about "way" down, Doc.

~20% reduction in pax. capacity is a pretty big scale-back in my opinion. It's true they aren't going back to Sovereign-class (and that was once the biggest passenger ship in the world), but I think they are realizing that the market for the behemoths is limited by both demand and logistics.
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Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:58 pm

There's a video on youtube of one of these new large cruise ships causing a mini tsunami on a beach in Ft. Lauderdale. That tells me the max size of ships that get close to shore is very close, unless there is a technology out there that can help with this issue.
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Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:08 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):

~20% reduction in pax. capacity is a pretty big scale-back in my opinion

True enough, I guess my point was more that even though Quantum is smaller than Oasis it's still bigger than anything else RCI has, including the Freedoms and Voyagers which also were once the largest cruise ships in the world. Oddly enough, even though Freedom is pretty big in its own right, she really doesn't feel too big from the perspective of a passenger.
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Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:31 pm

RCI is supposed to take delivery of a 3rd Oasis class ship somewhere down the road, however as others have mentioned Quantum is definetly a smaller ship. Norwegian, Celebrity, Princess, and Carnival are all currently on their largest class ships to date but are still much smaller than Oasis. As for a class larger than Oasis, I don't see that happening for several years, if at all.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:43 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
Oddly enough, even though Freedom is pretty big in its own right, she really doesn't feel too big from the perspective of a passenger.

Indeed the design makes you feel its not as big as it really is. RCI has done alot of innovating over the last decade but one thing I dont like is the nickle and diming. So many things you have to pay for now on top which makes it unattractive for many.
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:48 pm

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So many things you have to pay for now on top which makes it unattractive for many.

THIS. Curious as I've never sailed RCI before... I'm sure they charge for the specialty restaurants like everyone else, but do they charge for the onboard activities such as rock climbing and ice skating? These are unique to RCI as far as I know. I could totally see them charging for that new over water feature on Quantum.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:01 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
So many things you have to pay for now on top which makes it unattractive for many.

Like what?

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 22):
but do they charge for the onboard activities such as rock climbing and ice skating?

No and no. Rock climbing, ice skating, flow rider, minigolf, and rollerblading do not have an extra charge to them. The only thing you have to do (at least for ice skating and the flow rider) is to sign a waiver as part of your cruise documents. The only activity other than specialized fitness classes that I can recall having an extra fee attached to it was the golf simulator onboard Freedom.
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:15 pm

On the topic of large cruise ships. I recently sailed onboard the Norwegian Epic.

As nice as the ship was, at over 4,000 pax plus 1,700 crew...there simply isn't enough room in the public areas for that many people. This surprised me considering it's currently the third largest cruise ship on the water.

They would allow for greater comfort by removing staterooms from one deck and replacing it with public areas IMO.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 20):
As for a class larger than Oasis, I don't see that happening for several years, if at all.

It's certainly something that's in the planning stages right now from what I read (I will see if I can dig up the source). The number I remember was around the 260,000GT area (Oasis class is 225,000GT for comparison).

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Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:40 pm

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 22):
THIS. Curious as I've never sailed RCI before... I'm sure they charge for the specialty restaurants like everyone else, but do they charge for the onboard activities such as rock climbing and ice skating?

Well more and more dining options are now charged for as is room service at certain times. It used to be 24 hours but now isnt. USD3.95 is applied to your account.

The standard of the food in the main dining room has gone down so now for a really nice meal you are forced to pay for speciality dining. Friends of mine just back who hold top status with the C&A club were really disapointed this year. I am Diamond myself and although I like the brand still its going in a direction I dont like. I am looking to other brands for future cruises now. I like to pay for my cruise and not have to keep putting my hand into my pocket for dining. I dont mind paying for it all up front but RCI are not cheap so its not a case of getting a cheap cruise and paying for these extras onboard due to that fact. The fares are high.

I feel other cruise lines are offering more for your money.

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 24):
On the topic of large cruise ships. I recently sailed onboard the Norwegian Epic.

They made some mistakes on Epic and it was nicknamed by some Epic Fail   With the launch of Breakaway they fixed those. I was on the inaugural celebrations and was very impressed by it.
 
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:13 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
as is room service

When the wife and I were on Ruby Princess in 2011, they charged for it as well. I have since been on Carnival Dream and Breeze and not only did they not charge, but they did not accept gratuities for it.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
The standard of the food in the main dining room has gone down

Unfortunately, I'm worried that this is becoming an industry wide problem. We were on Carnival Victory recently for a wedding cruise (not my first choice in ship or itinerary) and in the main dining room one night they were offering fried chicken. I'm sorry, Carnival or not, this is just not acceptable for a main dining room offering.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
I am looking to other brands for future cruises now.

I'm hoping to try Celebrity next. Their newer ships look fantastic and from what I hear their service is really what it should be.
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:48 am

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 26):
When the wife and I were on Ruby Princess in 2011, they charged for it as well. I have since been on Carnival Dream and Breeze and not only did they not charge, but they did not accept gratuities for it.

I was on the Caribbean Princess and its showing its age. Went to the Royal Princess inaugural celebrations last month and they really have upped their game in a positive way. The free options were of a really good standard.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 26):
Unfortunately, I'm worried that this is becoming an industry wide problem.

Well I guess its like aviation in a way. Standards are moving in some lines. On some lines you will end up with two free dining options and 10 paid. Just not for me.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 26):
I'm hoping to try Celebrity next. Their newer ships look fantastic and from what I hear their service is really what it should be.

I love Celebrity they still maintain a good standard. I was on the Solstice/Millenium (Twice) and Century (Twice ) and I loved all of them. Century is an intimate ship and really nice inside. I doubt you would be dissapointed if you go for Celebrity.

My favourite cruise lines are Azamara,Celebrity,Crystal,Holland America,NCL,Princess and Silversea. if I had to pick one out of all of those it would be Silversea but its big $$ so maybe not for a few years until my next one.
 
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RE: The Next Largest Cruise Ship?

Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:04 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
They made some mistakes on Epic and it was nicknamed by some Epic Fail   With the launch of Breakaway they fixed those. I was on the inaugural celebrations and was very impressed by it.

Yeah I think I read your report IIRC, nicely done if so.

It was a nice ship don't get me wrong, and I was impressed with the quality of food and service on-board. It just felt very cramped because of the lack of space in so many areas.
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