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Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:36 pm

Anyone else following this? What you could call an 'eventful' first morning, Australia took three early wickets but England are staging a bit of a 'fight-back' - score at lunch 80 for 3..........
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:47 pm

I still contend that the entire cricket -- watching world is making it up as they go. Two or three days of puttering around the pitch, and suddenly the announcers get all excited and declare the match concluded.  
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:18 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 1):
I still contend that the entire cricket -- watching world is making it up as they go. Two or three days of puttering around the pitch, and suddenly the announcers get all excited and declare the match concluded

That is the beauty of the game. And it can be 5 days. And even after all that time it may still be a draw.

I have been watching. The first test was fantastic. I won some money on the poms but certainly got nervous towards the end. It looks like the Aussie bowlers are doing a good job this innings but the batsmen will not be able to back it up. They will get rolled for less than 200
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:42 am

What has happened to the Australian national side?


It wasn't too long ago they dominated the world stage and had an endless conveyor belt of talent coming through the junior ranks and state cricket.
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:35 am

Brilliant first day. Wickets, runs, baking sunshine, and even a visit from HM the Queen! Hopefully the next 4 days will live up to it - preferably with a hundred to the only Middlesex player left on the field, Chris Rogers! At least Finn will be allowed to play in the ongoing county fixture against Sussex.

Also full marks to the ECB for streaming the Ashes for free to us continental Europeans.

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Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:01 am

England out for 361-Decent score considering how poorly they started. Australia need to get off to a good start in their innings.
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:05 am

England's tail wagged, they totalled 361. Australia will have to 'buckle down' and score runs for the next day or so. Can't believe the 'Australian weather' England seems to be enjoying so far. Anyway, good match, and either side can win from here.
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 1):
I still contend that the entire cricket -- watching world is making it up as they go. Two or three days of puttering around the pitch, and suddenly the announcers get all excited and declare the match concluded

Just like American football! (Except that is such a short game, of course!). Not to mention ice hockey! What a way to f**k up a great game like hockey.

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RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:23 pm

England's session - Australia one down and still over 300 runs behind.

Why do Aussie batsmen keep on wasting 'reviews'? Watson was so far back, and SO 'perfectly' lined up in front of the stumps, that it HAD to be 'out LBW'?
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:22 pm

I wonder why England didn't enforce the follow on?
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:34 pm

What a crazy day at Lords! Oz all out for 128 (a 1st innings deficit of 233) and England 31-3. Whatever England score, I think it's going to be too much for Oz.

Oz seriously need some DRS lessons.   

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 9):
I wonder why England didn't enforce the follow on?

I'd guess several reasons -
1 - Oz unlikely to bat as poorly again.
2 - It's very hot - why risk tiring your bowlers too much by having them bowl again immediately?
3 - The pitch will only get more difficult. Make Oz bat on it last.

I don't think this has anything to do with Cook being cautious, it's more about the way England play the game today. When you have as potent a weapon as Swann, you'd always want him bowling last if possible.
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:29 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 3):
It wasn't too long ago they dominated the world stage and had an endless conveyor belt of talent coming through the junior ranks and state cricket.

Unfortunately the second part of your sentence isn't quite on the mark. Succession planning was superficial at best, and Australia's approach for the best part of a decade was to use the same tried-and-true approach, and then wonder why it all went to s*** when that generation moved on
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Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:52 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 8):
Why do Aussie batsmen keep on wasting 'reviews'? Watson was so far back, and SO 'perfectly' lined up in front of the stumps, that it HAD to be 'out LBW'?

Time for Watson to be dropped as he is a talented player but gets too many starts and fails to go on with a big total which Australia need, Not sure who they can bring in as everyone else is out of form. Also wasted that review was stupid he knew he was out like everyone else did.



Australian batsmen need to learn to be patient and not throw their wickets way so cheaply.


Its highly unlikely but Australia need to bowl England out for under 150 to keep the chasing total to under 400,Anything above that and its game over unless it rains for 2 days...
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:17 am

Adam Gilchrist - one of the only two recent Australian players I liked - has a very good article in cricinfo about the DRS after the huge controversy surrounding it in Trent Bridge, and again at Lords after Watson's injudicious use of it for himself:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/651695.html
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He makes some excellent points, and increasingly supports the perspective both the BCCI and Indian skipper MS Dhoni have held, with respect to their opposition to DRS.
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:37 pm

Well, another very poor day for Oz. England score 302 runs for the loss of just two wickets. Now leading by an eye-watering 566, will England declare overnight or will the delightful Root be given the opportunity to turn his 178no into a double-ton? My money is on the latter.   
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Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:25 pm

Australia really do suck nowadays...
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RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:56 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 14):
or will the delightful Root be given the opportunity to turn his 178no into a double-ton? My money is on the latter

Agree that England will probably bat on. In fact, they pretty well have to - with two full days to go, if they declared now it would be possible for Australia to 'dig in and win from here'?
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Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:11 am

England I reckon will bat for at least first hour which will give root enough time to get his 22 runs, Than give them a quick go at Australian batsmen before lunch.

I can not see Australia scoring 600+ in 2 days unless Clarke racks up another triple century but even than another 300 from the other 10 is highly unlikely.
 
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RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:50 am

Quoting aussie18 (Reply 17):
I can not see Australia scoring 600+ in 2 days unless Clarke racks up another triple century

Agree that it's highly unlikely, aussie18, but it remains 'possible' - and Cook would look awfully silly if he declares now, and it happens? On the other hand, he'll be wanting a win, not a draw. My guess is that he'll bat on to lunch, taking the lead to about 650 - that will still give him five full sessions to bowl Australia out?

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RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:22 am

Loved this comment off the BBC text feed today....

mmm..... what's that you say Skippy? The real Australian cricket team is stranded down an abandoned mineshaft?
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RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:17 am

Quoting aussie18 (Reply 17):
England I reckon will bat for at least first hour which will give root enough time to get his 22 runs
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
Time for Watson to be dropped as he is a talented player but gets too many starts and fails to go on with a big total which Australia need

Both of you were dead right. Cook declared as soon as Root got out, and Watson didn't last long at all..........
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Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:21 am

Was at the game yesterday.

Shame Australia aren't even making a game of it.

 
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Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:09 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 16):
with two full days to go, if they declared now it would be possible for Australia to 'dig in and win from here'?

A snowball has more chance in hell.   

In the end, a defeat by a massive 347 runs to go 0-2 down in the series. I'm really struggling to see where they can go from here. They've now lost six straight Tests.
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Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:30 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 22):
'm really struggling to see where they can go from here.

Locate 3rd umpires that can properly use the evidence for contentious decisions so that the correct outcome is made and recommend them to the ICC. It is a pity that with 8 of the 12 "elite" umpires being British/Australian, we are restricted to the havimg the remaining 4 throughout the series but with different roles for each test. DRS isn't the problem, it's the umpires (and to an extent, the injudicious use of DRS by Australia).

Then reverse the batting order as England is struggling to get the 10th wicket partnership so that when the alleged "proper" batsman come in, the bowlers may be a little tired.

For the next test, if I were Lehmann I'd be seriously tempted to play 2 spinners... Lyon and Ahmed. Reason? Lancs have been tending to play 2 spinners at home (Kerrigan in particular being in a golden patch of form). Agar will probably need to get more practice in as he's meant to be in the side for bowling and not to bolster the batting. Weather orecast for the period up to and beyond the game is for for sunshine and showers.
 
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RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:39 pm

I'll have an Aussie staying at my place during the next one. Looking forward to it.   
 
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RE: Cricket - England V. Australia At Lords.....

Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:54 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 23):
Locate 3rd umpires that can properly use the evidence for contentious decisions so that the correct outcome is made and recommend them to the ICC.

Well, it seems to me the umpiring is the same for both teams. So I don't see how that especially helps Oz.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 23):
and to an extent, the injudicious use of DRS by Australia

That is their own doing. Watson's selfish use of reviews when he's been nailed in front of the stumps (again!) and Clark's speculative use of it when Oz are bowling has caused them problems.

I think Agar will be dropped - he's simply not ready as a bowler for Test cricket. His first innings should have been ended very early by the 3rd umpire. Personally, I'm hoping he stays in the team!
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