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Outdated Car Style Features

Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:55 pm

Let me preface this by saying that this topic was inspired by the "Leisure Suit" thread.

Vinyl roof and white sidewall tires, will they make a comeback? Don't know, but I hope the polyester leisure suit and bell-bottom pants don't!

In the '50s, the fin or wing was a popular style. The '70s and '80s, vinyl roof and the white sidewall tires were popular. Today, I can't think of any car model that have these as standard features.

Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function like to protect the roof? You know, like a plastic carpet runner or plastic sofa cover to prevent wear and tear on carpet and sofa respectively.


1977 Mustang II

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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:24 pm

White sidewalls are a minor design trend and will probably return in time. The thin white wall design, not the wide one.

The padded roof might have a much harder time of it, unless they can add some super insulation for summer heat. But that insulation should already be inside the car in the headliner.

The trend that is probably out permanently are the tail fins from the late 50's. Google 1959 Cadillac for a good indication. While they won't return I can see "hints " returning at some point.

Heavy use of chrome is also something I see finding a hard time returning.

And, most importantly, square headlights on a Jeep Wrangler. They tried it once and were burned at the stake.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:25 pm

The 1985 Caprice is probably the best looking 'oldie' American car.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:53 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Heavy use of chrome is also something I see finding a hard time returning.

I see those on front grill and bumpers of full-size pickup trucks. I'm not sure if it's factory installed or aftermarket.
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:59 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function like to protect the roof? You know, like a plastic carpet runner or plastic sofa cover to prevent wear and tear on carpet and sofa respectively.

Decorative feature designed to emulate the look of a convertible top and they were doing this even back in the 1920s to mimic the movable tops that horse drawn carriages and buggies had. The style went away during the 30s and 40s and reappeared in the 1950s. Back then, canvas was used and it wasn't until the late 50s that vinyl started being used. My dad had a 1972 Malibu with a red vinyl roof that eventually started to crack and peel away after about 15 years of being in the elements.

While it has gone out of style in the last 25-30 years, it was offered on the Lincoln Continental as a factory option until the model went of out production in 2002. I've seen aftermarket vinyl tops applied to Lincoln Town cars, Cadillacs and even Chrysler 300s. Stretch limos and hearses still make use of vinyl roofs because it is a classic look on those vehicles, but also for practical reasons, as they cover up the welds in the roofs of such vehicles.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:33 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
The trend that is probably out permanently are the tail fins from the late 50's. Google 1959 Cadillac for a good indication. While they won't return I can see "hints " returning at some point.

Cadillac has slowly been putting hints of tailfins in their tail lights for a few years now. It is most noticeable in the CTS coupe and SRX, but you can kind of see it in the ATS.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:20 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Heavy use of chrome is also something I see finding a hard time returning.

Have you seen the new line of GM trucks? The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:32 am

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
1977 Mustang II

Where is Cheryl Teigs?

I do not ever ever ever ever want to see a vinyl top ever again. My father thought it was a good idea to buy a Dodge Aspen. Our neighbors bought a Plymouth Volare. Green with white vinyl top. What were they thinking? I am scared for life!

Wood paneling I don't mind.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:57 am

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
Was the vinyl roof only a decorative feature or did it have a function like to protect the roof?

It was often said that vinyil roofs were applied at the factory to hide damage done to the roof during production.

I hope the woodies and tail finns never return. I also hate the car bra but thats not a factory issue it's just something idiots do to ruin the looks of there car.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
Have you seen the new line of GM trucks?

WTF is the deal with the square wheel arches on GM trucks, you would have thought GM would have worked it out by now that wheels are round.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:03 am

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The last car to feature factory vinyl top and white wall tires was the 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
Also the Buick Roadmaster and Buick Century sedan.




I'd like to see a return of the loose cushion, button down leather or velour seating surface. The brand new Bentley is hinting at that but not to the extent it was done in the past. The last car to offer these plush seats was the 1994 Chrysler Lebaron Landau sedan.


1974 Imperial Lebaron sedan.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Imperial1974seats_zps3aff1563.jpg




This is from a 1974 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
 photo 1975-Cadillac-051.jpg




Ford needs to whip out the belt again for the trunk.
This 1977-1979 Ford Thunderbird had a unique landau and separated vinyl top.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Thunderbird_straps.jpg




Considering that not every Mustang is a performance car, I didn't mind seeing a more dressed up, formal looking Mustang as an option. I do like the formal, K-caresque look of the 1983 Ford Mustang convertible.
For the classic ea of Mustangs, I prefer the Mercury Cougar XR-7 convertible.
 photo 1983-Ford-Mustang-Convertible-02-800.jpg

Here is a better image of the Ford Mustang II Ghia.
Ford really dressed up the Ghia edition and has the potential to be a ballsy performer with the available 5.0 liter V8.
Of course a few tweaks would be required to get it to go.

http://www.mustangii.net/images/ghia/silver_ghia.jpg

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
I do not ever ever ever ever want to see a vinyl top ever again.
Wood paneling I don't mind.

This 1974 Mercury Colony Park station wagon featured vinyl top AND wood paneling as well as concealed headlights.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1974MercuryColonyPark.jpg




This 1970 Ford Torino Squire wagon featured vinyl top, wood paneling AND muscle!

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1970FordTorinoSquireWagon.jpg

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Decorative feature designed to emulate the look of a convertible top and they were doing this even back in the 1920s to mimic the movable tops that horse drawn carriages and buggies had.

A carriage top is a little bit different than a vinyl top.
Here is a carriage top on the Bill Blass Edition Lincoln Mark V for the 1977-1979 model year.
Notice the ridges in the top.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/MarkVAtDock.jpg


Same car with vinyl top, not carriage top.






Here is a carriage top offered for the 1980 Mustang.

 photo 1980-Mustang.jpg

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
1985 Caprice Classic

I found a better photo. This is how they looked from 1987-1990.
Although it was the same car from 1977-1990, there were a few minor cosmetic changes thought those years. My favorite being the final 4 years of this design.

 photo chevrolet-caprice-7_zps71ab1768.jpg

The more formal Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency Brougham that lasted until 1984.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/RegencyBroughamCover_zps152d0f7f.jpg

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
Have you seen the new line of GM trucks? The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.

That's fake chrome, not real chrome.


I look forward to the day that the 'hybrid' hype is outdated.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:22 am

Hybrids will be replaced by full electric.

As for the return of strange design feature, you'd have to limit yourself to the US market, as those would never work elsewhere (and probably not in the US either).
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:06 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That's fake chrome, not real chrome.

Obviously, but the design is the same idea.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:39 pm

T-tops and screaming chicken hood decals. Please dear god.... no more!!!!

 
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:08 pm

If you can get a stiffer car with less weight then a T-top isn't a bad idea I would think, although my favorite light is right car doesn't employ one when the roof is removed, apparently the chassis is stiff enough :



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Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:15 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
If you can get a stiffer car with less weight then a T-top isn't a bad idea I would think, although my favorite light is right car doesn't employ one when the roof is removed, apparently the chassis is stiff enough :

But you have to buy the targa top version, you can't remove the roof from the standard Exige, I've always wondered why you couldn't especially with the Mk 1 version which was just a panel. I would love one, it's a bad arse car
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:44 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That's fake chrome, not real chrome.

Chrome plated plastic, it's cheaper to manufacture and lighter as well.


Louvers, quite popular back then.

http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/1976/1976_00015_08.jpg

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
12 years of craziness!

A year older if I kept my original username...been lurking longer. I remember buying a 56k modem so I can download pictures faster.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:04 pm

Here's a beautiful woody wagon; my personal favourite--the 1978 Chrysler LeBaron Town & Country wagon! (Still my dream car)



A recent YouTube video of a green one in mint condition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7-RnthXmk


A TV commercial for that model:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LW6Ylfn0eQ


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Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:00 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 11):
Obviously,

No it wasn't. Otherwise you wouldn't have said;

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 6):
The amount of chrome on the thing is incredible.
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 15):
Louvers, quite popular back then.

Never understood the purpose of those. They also limit visibility.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 15):
I remember buying a 56k modem so I can download pictures faster.

Such as those images of the squirrel?

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 16):
Here's a beautiful woody wagon; my personal favourite--the 1978 Chrysler LeBaron Town & Country wagon! (Still my dream car)

Hang in there. You will have one very soon.  
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:54 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Never understood the purpose of those. They also limit visibility.

I think the idea of the louvers must have been to deflect some of the sunlight beating down on that large horizontal surface created by the shape of the window in the days before tinting.

Ugly as sin though.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:38 pm

Until the launch of the 2013 Lincoln MKZ, one outdated feature would've been push-button transmissions.

The 2010 Mustang brought back sequential blinking turn-signal tailights (a la '64-'71 T-Birds and '67-'73 Cougars)

Others that are gone (for now):

Turntable (yes, DeSoto offered such in the 50s)

8-track player (including ones w/Quadrasonic sound) - sorry 'Fly

Cassette (deck) player - died with the passing of the Crown Vic.

CB radio (factory option in the late 70s/early 80s)

Tubular/thermometer speedometers (Lincoln Continentals had from 1964-1977)

Horizontally-laid out speedometers (last seen on the 1996 Buick LeSabre)

R-12 Freon-based A/C

(?) 2WD/4WD tire hub switches on trucks (one had to go outside to engage/disengage 4WD)

With the passing of the 2013 Chevy Impala; front bench seats on cars (note: some trucks/SUVs still offer such)

Standard full-width, full-back front bench seats on cars (think older taxi cabs and/or police cars from the early 80s and back)

3-speed automatic transmissions (at least in the U.S. market)

4-speed manual transmissions (at least in the U.S. market)

Separate lap & shoulder seatbelts (including the much-hated motorized front shoulder belts)

Dashboard-mounted windshield wiper controls

Floor-mounted headlight dimmer switch (located underneath the emergency brake which was located at the far-left of the driver's side)

Hand-crank operated windows (currently only available on a handful of vehicles... usually bare-bones level pick-up trucks and/or small cars)
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:56 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 18):
I think the idea of the louvers must have been to deflect some of the sunlight beating down on that large horizontal surface created by the shape of the window in the days before tinting.

Exactly - on a hatchback, you had a large, sloped, rear window and the louvers helped keep the car cooler.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:26 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
No it wasn't. Otherwise you wouldn't have said;

Sure it is. It is merely the object of parlance--to most, chrome and chormesque are the same damn ugly thing.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:35 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
4-speed manual transmissions (at least in the U.S. market)

Hand-crank operated windows (currently only available on a handful of vehicles... usually bare-bones level pick-up trucks and/or small cars)

I had a 1991 Honda Civic hatchback. Very basic; 4-speed manual transmission without power windows and steering, No AC and radio, and only driver side external rear view mirror.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
Separate lap & shoulder seatbelts (including the much-hated motorized front shoulder belts)

Drove a 1982 Toyota Cressida.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
2WD/4WD tire hub switches on trucks (one had to go outside to engage/disengage 4WD)

My brother's Geo Tracker had this feaure.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Such as those images of the squirrel?

Not exactly, other non-aviation pictures.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:48 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
This 1974 Mercury Colony Park station wagon featured vinyl top AND wood paneling as well as concealed headlights.

I think this is my dream car. Not bothered about the vinyl top but the trifecta of wagon, wood and concealed headlights? Irresistible!
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:00 am

Quoting Confuscius (Thread starter):
This 1970 Ford Torino Squire wagon featured vinyl top, wood paneling AND muscle!

And seemingly no headlights?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):




I've never liked partially-covered wheels. I really wouldn't want to see that returning. I know that some cars have it probably as an efficiency thing (eh Honda Insight) - but purely for styling, it's nasty.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:00 am

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 24):
And seemingly no headlights?

They appear from behind some sliding panels in the grill. It's pretty awesome- similar to this I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shbQoke7JWI
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:08 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):

At the dealership I work at we had a 2003(?) Pontiac Vibe with hand cranked windows. I sure was shocked to see that!
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:15 am

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 26):
At the dealership I work at we had a 2003(?) Pontiac Vibe with hand cranked windows. I sure was shocked to see that!

My 2005 Dodge Neon in high school had crank windows in the back.

My coworker also has a 2012 Jeep Patriot with crank windows throughout. They are still around believe it or not!


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Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:06 am

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 18):
I think the idea of the louvers must have been to deflect some of the sunlight beating down on that large horizontal surface created by the shape of the window in the days before tinting.

That makes more sense.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 18):
Ugly as sin though.

Well, not the ugliest thing but I don't like them either. They looked OK on those Datsun 280Z cars of the 70s & 80s.



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
Drove a 1982 Toyota Cressida.

Great cars!
My sister had one. Those drove like an American luxury car. Those had the loose cushion seats as well. One of my favorite stock car stereos was the AM/FM cassette deck that came with those cars. Blushed aluminum face with weighted, illuminated 7 band eq. and lefts & right LED output meters.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 23):
I think this is my dream car. Not bothered about the vinyl top but the trifecta of wagon, wood and concealed headlights? Irresistible!

Mercury Colony Parks had that design from 1969 - 1978.
Should be easy to find one on Ebay. Try to find one with the Checkerboard game that folds in the rear cargo area between the two fold down seats.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:15 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
I had a 1991 Honda Civic hatchback. Very basic; 4-speed manual transmission without power windows and steering, No AC and radio, and only driver side external rear view mirror.

Those things absolutely could not be killed (aside from rust).


Superfly must know this one...one old school feature I remember (on Pontiac I think?) was the fresh air vent down by your feet. Just pull a lever and outside air would come in down low. Seemed to collect a lot of leaves though!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:31 pm

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 26):
Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 27):

Forgive me but I'm not 100% sure whether both of you read the entire line of my previous post on the subject of hand-crank windows (reposted below, key point in bold) when you commented on such.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
Hand-crank operated windows (currently only available on a handful of vehicles... usually bare-bones level pick-up trucks and/or small cars)

With the exception of the RedTailDTW's co-worker's 2012 Jeep Patriot (most likely a bare-bones base model), all the other submitted vehicle examples were intended to be covered in my earlier statement; which implies that hand-crank windows are not completely out of the new car/vehicle scene yet.

Among new vehicles, the very basic model of the Ford Fiesta (S trim) has crank windows. Oddly, the base model Focus (S trim) from 2012 and up has crank front windows but power rear windows.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
This 1970 Ford Torino Squire wagon featured vinyl top, wood paneling AND muscle!

Minor point, that Torino wagon in your posted pic does not have a vinyl roof; although such was probably available as an option. Truth be told, most station wagons I saw, regardless of make, size & model, while growing up in the 70s & 80s did not have vinyl roofs. Until I saw an ad that showed a wagon w/a vinyl roof; I only thought that option was restricted to sedans & coupes (including hardtops & pillared hardtops).

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 25):
Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 24):
And seemingly no headlights?

They appear from behind some sliding panels in the grill. It's pretty awesome- similar to this I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shbQo...e7JWI

The proper term for those is either hidden or concealed headlights/lamps; Ford Motor Company used the latter adjective when describing the feature for their models.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 29):
one old school feature I remember (on Pontiac I think?) was the fresh air vent down by your feet. Just pull a lever and outside air would come in down low. Seemed to collect a lot of leaves though!

Those were called Floor Vents, which used to offered on all vehicles not equipped w/A-C. That feature ultimately died sometime in the 1990s due to nearly every new vehicle being equipped w/A-C as standard equipment. Add Floor Vents ot the above-list.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
Mercury Colony Parks had that design from 1969 - 1978.
Should be easy to find one on Ebay. Try to find one with the Checkerboard game that folds in the rear cargo area between the two fold down seats.

The only time I saw one(s) (full-size Ford or Mercury) equipped w/the Checkerboard table was in ads. or brochures; but never in real life.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 22):
No AC and radio, and only driver side external rear view mirror.

I'm assuming that your driver's side mirror on that '91 Honda was of the manual type (requiring one to adjust it by reaching out the window to do so). Heck add cable-driven-adjustment mirrors to the list as well. Also add vehicles w/out A/C nor a radio(?) to the list.

Another one to add (and I could kick myself for mentioning this one earlier)... Front Pivoting Vent Windows last offered on (IIRC) on the '93 Dodge Ram vans, pick-ups (full-size) & Ramcharger SUVs. and the '93 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.

Similarly, the power front mini-vent window that Ford Motor Company used to offer on its full-sizes (Ford/Mercury '73-'78, Lincolns '70(?) through '89). These would roll down first before the rest of the front windows.

Another one to add: 4-door (pillarless) hardtops. Such disappeared after the late 1970s.

I believe that Mercedes still makes a 2-door (pillarless) hardtop model that's not a convertible; but that's probably the only one (among new(er) vehicles) I'm currently aware of.

Subaru still offered a 4-door pillared hardtops on its previous generations of its Outback and Legacy models (including wagon variants). I'm not sure if anyone else still makes a 4-door pillared hardtop out there. The last domestic (US) 4-door pillared hardtop was the 1985 Cadillac Seville.

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Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:06 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Those were called Floor Vents,

An eminently sensible name for them, to be sure.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Another one to add (and I could kick myself for mentioning this one earlier)... Front Pivoting Vent Windows last offered on (IIRC) on the '93 Dodge Ram vans, pick-ups (full-size) & Ramcharger SUVs. and the '93 Jeep Grand Wagoneer.

I remember calling those the 'cigarette window'.

Which brings up another old school feature...how many cars come with permanently installed ashtrays any more?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:13 pm

Have you seen a new Nissian Juke?

Those front headlight enclosures look like the company is trying to bring back the Plymouth tail fins - on the front of the car.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:08 pm

One thing I cannot stand is the 1/2 digital, 1/2 analog dash on the current Honda Civics.... Is UGLY! Did Honda not get the memo that the digital dash died in 1989? Only about 20 years late.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 33):
One thing I cannot stand is the 1/2 digital, 1/2 analog dash on the current Honda Civics.... Is UGLY! Did Honda not get the memo that the digital dash died in 1989? Only about 20 years late.

Actually, many cars had digital dashes well into the mid-90s.

Not sure about the upcoming 2014 Corvette but its immediate predecessor model had a digital speedometer that was projected onto the lower part of the windshield.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 31):
Which brings up another old school feature...how many cars come with permanently installed ashtrays any more?

Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

Once upon a time, a luxury feature on a car was to have multiple cigarette lighters. Both my borther's '74 Marquis & my '85 Grand Marquis sedans had a total of four cigarette lighters: one attached to the dash (standard issue), one on the front passenger's door and one for each rear door; each had an acompanying ashtray.
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

If you want the cigarette lighter and ashtray, you have to buy the "smoker's group" option if they offer it (Which seems to be offered on trucks and SUVs more than cars.). My 2003 Dodge Stratus doesn't have an ashtray yet has a cigarette lighter. My work vehicle is a 2005 Ford E-150 and it has an ashtray and a cigarette lighter in addition to a power port (Works perfect for me, as I have my satellite radio received plugged into one and use the other to charge things like my phone and my work handheld.).

Another feature that has disappeared is a cassette player in the factory stereo and the last car to offer them was the 2010 Lexus SC430. Most automakers started to quit offering them as standard equipment back around 2004-2005. I still remember when you actually had to flip the tape over on the early cassette decks in cars (much like you had to do with your home stereo, boombox or Walkman). I remember when the first CD players for cars came out and it took some time for them to trickle down into lower level cars. Even aftermarket ones were pricey for quite some time and I'm not the only one here that kept a portable CD player in their car plugged into the cigarette lighter and hooked up to the radio using a cassette adapter......
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 35):
If you want the cigarette lighter and ashtray, you have to buy the "smoker's group" option if they offer it (Which seems to be offered on trucks and SUVs more than cars.).

I'm well aware of such options on newer vehicles; but it used to be standard equipment for all vehicles... even stripped-down subcompacts w/out radios. The first car I remember that did not come with a cigarette lighter as standard equipment was my uncle's 1978 Mercury Zephyr 2-door sedan; his was a stripped-down, base model that only had the 200 cid inline-6, automatic transmission & AM radio for options.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 35):
Another feature that has disappeared is a cassette player in the factory stereo and the last car to offer them was the 2010 Lexus SC430

See my earlier post (reposted below)

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
Cassette (deck) player - died with the passing of the Crown Vic.

Although it was a fleet-only model since 2008; the Crown Vic. through the 2011 model year (2012 for export-only models assembled on Sept. 2011 just before the plant closed) still offered a cassette player. The last Mercury Grand Marquis (2010 model year) had a cassette player as well.

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Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:40 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
Or cigarette lighters for that matter. The originally standard lighter has been replaced with the same-sized Power Port.

I've had a fair few cars over the last few years, none of which has come with a lighter or an ashtray. I was therefore quite surprised when I found one in my new Peugeot 508. I'd assumed that the smoker pack would come as an option on cars these days - and I'd rather have the space to store my keys/phone etc instead.

It's a sign of how times have changed though - when the Peugeot 205 was launched the lighter and ashtray were almost the focal point of the central console...

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Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:43 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Forgive me but I'm not 100% sure whether both of you read the entire line of my previous post on the subject of hand-crank windows (reposted below, key point in bold) when you commented on such.

I had read your prior comment but I was giving af773atmsp an example of newer cars that still come with crank-windows in certain packages.

Thanks for clarifying though  

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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:02 pm

What ever happened to the groovy 8 track players of the 70's that could endlessly play disco music. I remember my friends parents had one in their Pacer. We felt pretty cool groovin to Disco Inferno in that purple glass solarium!
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:12 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 39):
What ever happened to the groovy 8 track players of the 70's that could endlessly play disco music.

See my earlier post (reposted below):

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
8-track player (including ones w/Quadrasonic sound)

Sometime in the early 80s, the 8-track got bumped from the options list in favor of cassette players (which started being offered as an option in the mid-to-late 70s). Most home stereo systems dropped 8-track players (& recorders) around the same time as well.

In a nutshell:

1. The cassete, by and large, replaced the 8-track

2. The CD eventually replaced the cassette - most cars dropped their factory cassette players in the mid-2000s with the fore-mentioned Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis & Lexus SC430 being the last hold-outs offering such into 2010-2011.

3. MP3s & Ipods will eventually replace CD players.

Heck, many car-makers have recently started dropping their multi-CD players from their options list. A single-CD player can still be had though. Example: the 2011 Ford Flex offered a 6-CD player but the 2012 and newer models do not (but still offer a single-CD player).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
The last car to feature factory vinyl top and white wall tires was the 1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
Also the Buick Roadmaster and Buick Century sedan.

Actually, when ordering my '97 Crown Vic. LX; had I not opted for the Handling & Performance Package (which included 16" black walls and styled aluminum wheels) it would've indeed come w/15" white walls.

Apparently, white walls did survive the 1998 makerover of the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis.

Grand Marquis LS models shown


My guess is that the white walls died off on these cars circa Y2K (remember that?).

The Lincoln Town Car last offered such in 1997.



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Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:52 pm

Ahhh - memories. My Dad's '69 Pontiac had a vinyl roof - he used to use Bravo floor wax to shine it up. Had the skinny-stripe whitewall tires too. I remember a lot of "pimpmobiles" as we called them back in the early to mid-70's all tricked out with wide whitewalls, hood ornaments, amber headlights, chrome front ends, curb feelers and more. Mostly Buick Electra 225's (deuce and a quarters as they were called), Cadillacs and Oldsmobile 98's.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
push-button transmissions.

My Grandfather had a '57 Desoto with the push-button tranny. Just last week when I was at the gas station a guy pulled in with one that was completely cherry! Had the push button trans - it was just beautiful - those big tail fins were cool. Hadn't see one i years.....
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
Hybrids will be replaced by full electric.

The issue with full electric is their limited range and re-charging when traveling on our Interstate system. I can get on a freeway about a mile from my house and go to Mt Pleasant MI to see my son with freeways or Interstate roads all the way. Same when my daughter and her family lived in Fort Collins.

How does full electric handle that? I charge up at home then start driving, averaging 65+ MPH for, say 8 hours. Maybe recharging stations in the parking lots at places like McDonalds? Or if I pull in for a good nights sleep on the way, how does the car get re-charged overnight. The unfortunate part of electric cars is that they are not effective for a family vacation without massive investments in re-charging infrastructure. How many stops would be required if I drove 8 hours at 70 on the Interstate? And how long would those re-charging stops take, compared to a petrol stop?

Electricity is a great idea for a city car, or maybe a 200 miles per day car. It has a very long time to go before it can handle the long drives we see a lot of times in this country. like 1,000 - 1.500 miles round trips for a family vacation.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
As for the return of strange design feature, you'd have to limit yourself to the US market, as those would never work elsewhere (and probably not in the US either).

Remember the Citroen 2CV or DS. And then there is the H Van

I have to admit that the 2CV was neat - I understand that the front seats popped out for use at a picnic. The most interesting part:

Quote:

Citroën unveiled the 2CV—signifying two fiscal horsepower, initially only 12 hp (8.9 kW))—at the Paris Salon in 1948. The car became a bestseller, achieving the designer's aim of providing rural French people with a motorized alternative to the horse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën[
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:31 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
This 1977-1979 Ford Thunderbird had a unique landau and separated vinyl top.

Note the color-keyed wheels (matching the vinyl roof & trunk-mounted seatbelts). Definitely an item no longer offered.

How about color-keyed wheel covers that Mercedes used to offer into the 1980s.



Ford offered similar on its '75-'82 Granadas

1980 Granada (last of the 1st generation models)


1981 Granada (first of the Fox-bodied models)


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Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:34 am

I'll mention something that has gotten quite popular with the automakers; manual mode with an automatic transmission (also called manu-matic, manual mode, or sport mode).

First time I saw that feature was on my 2001 Volkswagen Passat. Once in awhile I'll use it for fun. Not sure when it was first introduced, but it seems like a lot of car manufacturers now have it as standard.
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:37 am

Manual Choke

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Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:03 am

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Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:05 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 30):
Also add vehicles w/out A/C nor a radio(?) to the list.

I can think of a couple of cars you can buy today which don't have either feature.

Morgan 3 Wheeler
Caterham 7

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 36):
Although it was a fleet-only model since 2008; the Crown Vic. through the 2011 model year (2012 for export-only models assembled on Sept. 2011 just before the plant closed) still offered a cassette player. The last Mercury Grand Marquis (2010 model year) had a cassette player as well.

Who in 2011 still owned a cassette tape? I haven't owned a cassette since the early 90's. I don't even remember the last time I saw one or a cassette player for the matter.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:36 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 43):
How about color-keyed wheel covers that Mercedes used to offer into the 1980s.

That is my old Matchbox car.
They were blue.
I do like the color-keyed wheel covers on the SL-450 (380/560) roadsters from 1972-1989.
My favorite color for those is puke yellow.
The sedan looked best in M&M's blown.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 45):
Manual Choke

I used to have a 1980 Volkswagen Dasher diesel as well as a 1981 Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. They both had manual choke.
I had to pull my choke early in the morning before heading off to school.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 41):
Ahhh - memories. My Dad's '69 Pontiac had a vinyl roof - he used to use Bravo floor wax to shine it up. Had the skinny-stripe whitewall tires too. I remember a lot of "pimpmobiles" as we called them back in the early to mid-70's all tricked out with wide whitewalls, hood ornaments, amber headlights, chrome front ends, curb feelers and more. Mostly Buick Electra 225's (deuce and a quarters as they were called), Cadillacs and Oldsmobile 98's.

Great cars and great memories. I remember seeing those a lot.
I almost bought a 1969 Buick Electra 225 convertible from a crackhead back in 2003.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 40):
My guess is that the white walls died off on these cars circa Y2K (remember that?).

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Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:48 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 42):
The unfortunate part of electric cars is that they are not effective for a family vacation without massive investments in re-charging infrastructure

Might not make sense to invest so much for 2 weeks out of 52 per year? And how many families drive 1,000 miles during two weeks every year?

During my trip to California last month i saw a few Volt cars on the roads so maybe things are starting to change

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