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Assault Charges For Rolf Harris,indecent Images.

Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:59 am

I have to say Im very dissapointed about this. For many in the UK we grew up with him and his TV programs. Just didnt expect to see this but I guess you never really know anyone !

Assault charges for Rolf Harris

TV presenter Rolf Harris charged in UK with nine counts of indecent assault and four of making indecent images

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23880768
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:24 am

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
I have to say Im very dissapointed about this. For many in the UK we grew up with him and his TV programs. Just didnt expect to see this but I guess you never really know anyone !

  
However this ends up, it's really sad. A significant childhood memory stained forever.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:46 am

Well, he did have that dodgy song about two little boys!   

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
However this ends up, it's really sad. A significant childhood memory stained forever.

I certainly don't disagree. While I was not surprised by many of those that have been charged as part of Operation Yewtree, this was one that actually shocked me. The "making indecent images" part seems to be very recent. Oh dear.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:50 am

iirc, there was nothing dodgy about the song.

It was about friendship and commitment.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:34 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
Well, he did have that dodgy song about two little boys!  

LOL... he sang that on my QM2 trip last November. They actually raided his home whilst he was on the trip!! Little did we know.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/QM21/file_zpsf57c696e.jpg
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Here is a video I took :



After the Jimmy Saville scandal and now this you just wonder which famous person is next !
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:43 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 2):
Well, he did have that dodgy song about two little boys!

Don't forget Jake the Peg, with his 'third leg'..........

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
but I guess you never really know anyone !

Not wrong.....
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:53 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
After the Jimmy Saville scandal and now this you just wonder which famous person is next !

The thing is, you could possibly expect of Saville. Rolf on the other hand, it's quite a shock.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:57 pm

My Mum's family were good friends with him and lived on the fisheries estate in Bray whilst my Mum and her sister were growing up (aged 12-16 and 14-18).

My Mum now lives in Portugal and is shocked by this news (spoke to her today). She never experienced any silly business nor did her sister, and can't believe it to be true.

Some people lead secret lives it seems.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:04 pm

When they announced they were looking into an 80 odd year old Australian entertainer who lived in the UK it was fairløy obvious who they were talking about, so this should come as no surprise to anyone.

All I can say (which is something all kiwis know to be true ) is 'DIRTY AUSSIE'
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:35 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
so this should come as no surprise to anyone.

Of course it's been known they were looking at him for some time, but still a shock to see charges.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:46 pm

Oh no, not him as well. I guess they're looking into all male "entertainers" of that age bracket, and sadly seem to be finding lots to investigate.
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:45 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
The thing is, you could possibly expect of Saville. Rolf on the other hand, it's quite a shock.

Sadly some of us are not surprised.
Harris was known as the 'Bombproof Aussie' in some circles, for years.
Like Savile, rumours had persisted, nothing ever concrete though.

I heard rumours about Savile nearly 20 years ago, I'm not in the media, I've always worked for BA.
But some friends who worked at the time, in the Ministry Of Defence, socialised with journalists, in those days when a drink culture still existed in many workplaces.

Then in 1996, Trainspotting author Irvine Welsh published a collection of short stories, one had a well known TV personality, with a similar dress sense to Savile, making the same sort of TV shows and lots about his charity work, who volunteered as a hospital porter. To get access to bodies for unspeakable purposes.
The same rumours I'd heard about Savile, all Welsh changed was the accent, a heavy West Country rather than a Yorkshire one.
He wasn't sued.

Louie Theroux in 2000, when he made that infamous TV film where he lived and travelled with Savile knew the rumours too.

When Savile died I was surprised that nothing came out, save for Richard Herring's tweet, the comedian quipping 'hope it's not a ploy to get access to the Mortuary!'
I wondered how many people got the joke.
Another comic, the extreme Jerry Sadowitz, was making jokes about Savile as a child abuser going back as far as 1987.
The obit in [i] The Guardian [i/] for Savile in 2011 made an oblique reference about how many found his Hospital Porter volunteering strange, odd.

Then of course, the following year, the dam broke.
(Never mind his 'jokey' references to young girls in his autobiography in 1973, that 'quip' on Have I Got News For You years later).

Stuart Hall, didn't see that one coming.
Nor Jimmy Tarbuck.
There are others, at least one superinjunction still in play (the other was for a time out for Rolf Harris), time will tell which will result in charges.
I don't intend to spread what are still gossip and rumours as far as these others are concerned.

All this is rather like the story of the Emperors New Clothes.
But the hiding in plain sight was covered in some ways, the social and sexual mores of the era from the 60's to 90's, the power 'celebs' had then, the reluctance to confront and convict evidence just from children.
This was not just about the famous and powerful either back then.

Harris got a standing ovation at a show he did in May, after the initial, less serious chargers.
Wonder what that crowd are thinking now?
This was seen as a comeback, when the police began looking into Harris last year, he checked in to the Priory, for months, even over Christmas and New Year, even being on suicide watch for a time.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:35 pm

As far as one of Rolf Harris's two accusers is concerned, viewing this TV interview (on our TV this evening), the evidence seems a bit on the 'thin' side?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...oman-claims-rolf-harris-abused-her
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:21 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 12):
the evidence seems a bit on the 'thin' side?

She was 14 at the time .. where were her carers/chaperones... they must bear some responsibility.
Not absolving the alleged incident at all but who was looking out for this young girl?
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:15 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
She was 14 at the time .. where were her carers/chaperones...

Agreed, stealthz. In any case, it's highly probable that she looked a lot older than she actually was.

As far as I can see, they had a dance or two. Harris had a bit of a 'grope,' 'breasts and thighs' (hands up anyone - anyone 'hetero,' anyway - on here who hasn't done that in their time?  ). She declined, and he desisted, and left her alone.

Really is a 'non-issue,' IMO. The girl concerned seems to be getting bad advice, and to be 'gold-digging.' IMO she has no chance at ALL of winning an action. On the other hand, the whole case already amounts to an 'international incident' - it's probably attracting virtually-unlimited money from both sides of the political argument.
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
On the other hand, the whole case already amounts to an 'international incident'

Hardly an international incident when they are both Aussies.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:00 pm

My thoughts, after strangely humming "Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport," were "no, not Rolf!!" as like many, I grew up with him on TV and thought he was great. It's a real shame if this is true.

I do wonder if any cold cases have been pinned on Savile though.
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:45 pm

Like others have said, I am also truly shocked by this - Saville didn't surprise me in the slightest but I too, like many in the UK grew up watching Rolf Harris on the TV. It seems his private persona was very different to the public one. Having said that, not many of us know what these people are really like.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:55 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
iirc, there was nothing dodgy about the song.

It was about friendship and commitment.

Yes, I know, hence the   

Quoting melpax (Reply 5):
Don't forget Jake the Peg, with his 'third leg'..........

True. And not forgetting his digeridoo!

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Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:05 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
s far as I can see, they had a dance or two. Harris had a bit of a 'grope,' 'breasts and thighs' (hands up anyone - anyone 'hetero,' anyway - on here who hasn't done that in their time? &nbsp Wink. She declined, and he desisted, and left her alone.

My hand is up! I can quite firmly say that as an adult I have never attempted to molest a minor.

This Rolf situation is quite different to what I think, (hope) you were asking. This isn't a couple of hormone charged teenagers on the dance floor at a disco. This is an adult and a child. There is a far greater burden of responsibility on him to resist the urge if he happens to be a pedophile, because the potential psychological damage suffered by the child in this situation is far greater when an adult attempts to take advantage of a vulnerable victim.
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:40 pm

Quoting melpax (Reply 5):
Don't forget Jake the Peg, with his 'third leg'..........

That was the first thing that came to my mind. Here's a link for those who have never seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJleJbn9G6Y

The second thing was that this guy was a great artist - even his rapid painting using house paint & brushes was amazing. I can still remember his painting an aboriginal scene on a class room wall back in the late 70's or early 80's. Talked & joked with the kids as he painted - brilliant guy with this fault showing up.

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 19):
My hand is up! I can quite firmly say that as an adult I have never attempted to molest a minor.

But when you were a minor . . .

Well, we have all been through those years and it wasn't called molesting.  Wow!
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:48 pm

Judge: Jury, have you reached your verdict?

Jury: Yes your honour, we have.

Judge: Mr Rolf Harris, can you guess what it is yet?


Like others have said, when the news got released, I had to do a double take. But in the interest of fairness. He hasn't been found guilty of any charges yet.

I did a 5K fun run with Jimmy Saville, and despite all the people their and various local politicians and charity workers, he chose to surround himself with girls not much older than 13/14.

I also thought it was strange that his coffin was encased in concrete, but knowing what we know now it makes sense.
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
But when you were a minor . . .

Well, we have all been through those years and it wasn't called molesting.

But that's my point. That wasn't the case here. We cant make the excuse that he was just acting like a red blooded hetro and comparing his situation to that of 2 minors having a bit of a grope. It IS molestation in this case. The fact that he is a pedophile dictates that he should NOT act out on his fantasies. Once he does, he harms others, and breaks the law.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:20 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 22):
It IS molestation in this case.

With respect, kiwiinoz, it's only 'alleged molestation' at this stage. The girl in the TV interview I linked to in Post 12 didn't come over as entirely convincing to me? Claiming that the incident somehow 'ruined her life,' while admitting that there was no 'penetration' or anything; and also avowing that she's married with two kids, hardly evidence of any 'ruined life' on the face of it?

I think that the current 'rush' of such cases may well consist of a lot of people 'trying it on' following the Savile case - in the hope of making some quick money out of the odd 'celebrity.' But the court, if any of the cases get there, will start by asking why, if they did indeed suffer such dreadful psychological damage, they didn't take action much sooner?
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:24 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 23):
With respect, kiwiinoz, it's only 'alleged molestation' at this stage.

OK, agree in the fact that the charge remains to be proven, but again, not really my point. My point was that this:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
As far as I can see, they had a dance or two. Harris had a bit of a 'grope,' 'breasts and thighs' (hands up anyone - anyone 'hetero,' anyway - on here who hasn't done that in their time? ). She declined, and he desisted, and left her alone.

....is not excusable and you seem to excuse it. You have also made the assumption that something, (molestation) happened, but seem to write it off as understandable, "hetero" activity. It is most certainly not excusable, and also not comparable to the same type of interaction between 2 minors, or between 2 adults, neither legally or morally.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:28 am

Was just watching an episode of The Goodies where their Observer Book of Stars says of Rolf:

Quote:
"Gregarious, often found with the young generation."

 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:42 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 24):
....is not excusable and you seem to excuse it.

Sorry if it came over like that, kiwiinoz; didn't mean it that way!

But I'm probably influenced by the fact that, way back, I had a friend who had a pretty good run as a part-timer in a reasonably-successful pop group. I still clearly recall him saying the direct opposite - that they were continually bothered by young girls, 'made up to the nines,' who made advances to them.

The lady is now 42 - and only now claims that "I started to suffer really bad panic attacks and anxiety attacks and I think cause I was so physically ill, because I'd been acting and faking and my nervous system and my adrenalin system had been on this hyper-vigilance for so many years to make sure nobody could penetrate me," she said.'

Seems decidedly odd that, if her health was so grievously affected, she waited 28 years to take any action at all about the alleged episode? After getting married and having two kids? And that her action is one of many that are being mounted against a number of pop stars, following the Savile case? And it may even be relevant that, as reported in the press story, she is now a bank manager......?  

It remains to be seen whether, if and when the matter goes to court, the judge rules that there is still 'a case to answer' after so many years. My guess is that the judge won't.

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Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:02 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 26):
Sorry if it came over like that, kiwiinoz; didn't mean it that way!

I didn't think that's how you meant it, hence why I said this:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 19):
This Rolf situation is quite different to what I think, (hope) you were asking
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 26):
Seems decidedly odd that, if her health was so grievously affected, she waited 28 years to take any action at all about the alleged episode? After

Actually it's not that unusual. It is very common amongst sexual assault victims that they feel ashamed/dirty. It is a difficult position for a victim. Hence, for example, victims of rape are almost never named in media reports, as it is generally accepted that this is counter-productive to their recovery.

This is often why reports of abuse come in "clumps" as multiple victims only gain enough confidence to make a report once they know there are others.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 26):
I still clearly recall him saying the direct opposite - that they were continually bothered by young girls, 'made up to the nines,' who made advances to them.

I doubt Rolf Harris was the target of a lot of groupies but this kind of behaviour can definitely serve as a PARTIAL mitigating factor. However it still does not unburden the responsibilities of adults to protect/not prey on minors, even in situations when the minors engage in high risk activity themselves. Minors, by definition, lack the understanding to manage themselves in these situations and thats why the laws exist. This applies to sex, sale of alcohol, voting, and many more elements of adult life.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:13 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 26):
It remains to be seen whether, if and when the matter goes to court, the judge rules that there is still 'a case to answer' after so many years. My guess is that the judge won't.

While that may be a possibility for the alleged sexual assaults that took place a long time ago (not that that saved Stuart Hall http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...6/stuart-hall-sentence-sex-attacks ) but the four charges of 'making indecent images of children' relate to last year. He'll not walk away from those.   
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Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:37 am

Always disappointing to see people find him guilty before he's even gone to trial. The DM are reporting today that Buckingham Palace have given his portrait of the queen back to the BBC, who have in turn 'lost it'.

And what if he's found not guilty? Pretty shabby way to treat someone if they actually do turn out to be innocent. I guess the public's thirst for blood might render such steps necessary to some extent, but still....

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