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Costa Concordia Update

Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:57 pm

They're getting ready to roll her upright next week. Need favorable weather conditions however...

http://www.theparbucklingproject.com.../43/Nota_sulla_fase_di_Parbuckling

Note: I have heard some news outlets saying that the ship will be "removed" next week. This is not the case - they will roll her upright, then install the starboard side sponsons prior to attempting to refloat her some time next year.

Wishing the salvagers at a little luck next week.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:11 pm

Indeed Im hoping that everything goes well and that minimal pollution is caused!
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:12 am

While most of the villagers will be happy to see her go and let the place regains its Mediterranean slow-paced peacefulness, some will miss the influx of tourist who came and spent money to see the remains of a disaster stricken ship.

It's sad to think people would go there to see that rather than the village itself, but at least the local economy did profit.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:32 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):
It's sad to think people would go there to see that rather than the village itself, but at least the local economy did profit.

I've heard it described as the "monkey reflex." Primates (including humans) have an interesting tendency to run towards confusion and chaos, while all other animals flee. Exactly why that should be the case is unclear, but the fact remains that humans are fascinated by disaster.

I am very interested to see what the underwater side looks like once she is righted.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:46 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):

As I understand it we won't see much, if anything, of the hull. Just superstructure.

I also understand they're expecting the hull to deform at the bottom of the starboard side.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:25 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):
t's sad to think people would go there to see that rather than the village itself, but at least the local economy did profit.

I would have an interest in seeing both, but I fully understand why people would want to go and see the ship and not really care for the village (some people aren't interested in seeing places, no matter how quaint). It's a salvage operation on a scale that has never been seen before, the engineering and physics behind it are very interesting. I would imagine that on the day they roll it there will be a huge influx of people watching, the same way that when a new bridge gets lifted in to place there's usually crowds of people watching. All of those people will have money in their pockets - that is the reward to the locals for putting up with the noise/mess/traffic/general disruption.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:22 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):
It's sad to think people would go there to see that rather than the village itself, but at least the local economy did profit.

People outside of the initial area know about this village because...........
Certainely many tourist to the country will not have the village on their routes and it may still not be included, but since the entire world knows the name of the village because of the hulk sitting outside the harbour, they will make attempts to at least include a stop for a shot or two.
Bonus is the good time they can enjoy in the village unless the locals are already tired and jealous of the hulk, pride does play a part  
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:44 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):

While most of the villagers will be happy to see her go and let the place regains its Mediterranean slow-paced peacefulness, some will miss the influx of tourist who came and spent money to see the remains of a disaster stricken ship.

It's sad to think people would go there to see that rather than the village itself, but at least the local economy did profit.

While it is likely that the wreck attracts some morbid interest, I can assure you that Giglio Island doesn't need it for its economy. The place is stunning beautiful and has been packed with tourists since long before the accident occurred, its crystal-clear waters, peaceful environment, friendly locals and good food are enough of an attraction to keep the local economy going.
I have been there several times and I would recommend a visit to anyone. I have never been there after the Concordia ran aground, but the ship is perfectly visible if you fly overhead onboard a commercial flight, the view is very sobering and the wreck is just plain ugly. I can assure you all of the locals can't wait for it to be taken away and would gladly trade any pocket money they may have earned because of it for its removal.
I wish good luck to the recovery team for a successful operation on Monday and the rest of the work that's still ahead.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:59 pm

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:24 am

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:13 am

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 9):

I am watching the live feed here:
http://www.lastampa.it/2013/09/16/mu...1A92PwKYZht9cxH8nBlGjL/pagina.html

Seems to be going rather well.


     
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:23 am

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:30 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
Seems to be going rather well.

Its like watching paint dry......

I wish they could speed it up
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:43 am

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:07 am

Has it moved yet ?   

Disappointing. No commentary, as to whats happening and explaining the processes at all ?
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:13 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Has it moved yet ?

Disappointing. No commentary, as to whats happening and explaining the processes at all ?

I think it's lucky that we can get such a high quality uninterrupted live feed.

They say the whole operation will take 12 hours - I think they will get it done in less than that.

Article:

A TOXIC concoction of rotting food, chemicals and other debris is expected to spew out of the Costa Concordia when the giant cruise ship is hauled upright on Monday (local time).

Environmentalists fear the immaculate waters of Giglio, the Italian island where the ill-fated cruise liner sunk last January, could be contaminated thanks to the overwhelming amount of produce that was left to stew on the ship.

Trapped within the walls of the doomed liner are approximately 10,000kg of fish, 2500kg of cheese, 1500 gallons of ice cream in tubs, 10,000kg of pasta, 900kg of onions, more than 2000 pots of jam and nearly 17,000 tea bags, reports Britain’s The Telegraph.
.....

link:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/trav...ordia/story-e6frg8ro-1226719643133


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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:21 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 15):
They say the whole operation will take 12 hours - I think they will get it done in less than that.

Thank you.  
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 15):
Trapped within the walls of the doomed liner are approximately 10,000kg of fish, 2500kg of cheese, 1500 gallons of ice cream in tubs, 10,000kg of pasta, 900kg of onions, more than 2000 pots of jam and nearly 17,000 tea bags, reports Britain’s The Telegraph.

              

Oh My God !

And some people are worried about the water pollution around Fukushima, with all that rotting slurry of water inside !   
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:27 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):

Oh My God !

And some people are worried about the water pollution around Fukushima, with all that rotting slurry of water inside !

This article is even better

Costa Concordia operation could spew toxic soup of rotting food and chemicals into sea
A toxic soup of rotting food, chemicals and other debris is expected to spew out of the Costa Concordia when the giant cruise ship is hauled upright tomorrow.

read more here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...g-food-and-chemicals-into-sea.html

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:48 am

Ok, the live feed just switched to a press conference about Syria...    
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:04 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 18):
Ok, the live feed just switched to a press conference about Syria...

It's a 12 hours ordeal so they will be back.

I think RT (Russia Today) are providing the feed then La Stampa picked it up.

http://www.lastampa.it/2013/09/16/mu...1A92PwKYZht9cxH8nBlGjL/pagina.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsWuIkdIByo

    

Live feed back on

Press conference: (giving my own translation picked up live)
the ship has now been detached from the rocks/bottom. They had it confirmed with the submarine cameras.
Engineer in chief said they saw the currents now going though the freed space between rock and ship. They noticed deformation on the hull/ship's structure.
He said all is going exactly according to plan with no pollution so far but also he said that anything can happen in the next hours so they are being very careful.

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:40 am

Looks like there has been progress. Compare the images below to to the ones in reply 11. Looks like the waterline has risen on one side by two or three meters. Slow and steady! Good luck to the salvors.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5540/9771574011_39dccd33ba_o.jpg

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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 15):
I think it's lucky that we can get such a high quality uninterrupted live feed.

   I'm very glad that there is a live feed. They didn't need to provide one, but having it is fascinating for us enthusiasts. I'll keep checking it during the evening

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:50 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 21):

I'm very glad that there is a live feed. They didn't need to provide one, but having it is fascinating for us enthusiasts. I'll keep checking it during the evening

I find it fascinating. It will be interesting to see what kind of results will be reached and if they will succeed getting the wreck back up without creating any pollution in the sea and environment.

It seems they have got teams from several countries working on this salvage. CC looks in really bad shape.

They had gigantic thunderstorms in the area last night, all the way down to Sicily where it was even worse with tornados even.

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:05 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 21):
Compare the images below to to the ones in reply 11. Looks like the waterline has risen on one side by two or three meters. Slow and steady! Good luck to the salvors.

Seeing that shot of the pool and hot tubs like that is weird.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:03 pm

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There are workers going inside the structure as they pull it out of the water.

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Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:36 pm

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Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:48 pm

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:55 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 24):
There are workers going inside the structure as they pull it out of the water.

I would be surprised if they were entering the structure whilst it is moving. as the ship rights the contents will move and could easily trap anyone who was inside. More likely that they are positioning fenders to stop debris escaping.
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:11 pm

Amazing.

But its already half through the 10-12 hours they calculated for raising it and its just about 4 meters out of the water. Wonder if it goes faster the more they turn her.
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:18 pm

Quoting na (Reply 31):

But its already half through the 10-12 hours they calculated for raising it and its just about 4 meters out of the water. Wonder if it goes faster the more they turn her.

I was sort of thinking the same.

Looks like it will take much longer than 12 hours to have the wreck back up. I wonder if they will work at night. The weather looks good unlike yesterday and last night with the mega storms.

If they all go home with the work half-done they could end up with some surprises so I guess they will have to keep working until the wreck is back up.


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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:30 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 32):
Quoting na (Reply 31):

But its already half through the 10-12 hours they calculated for raising it and its just about 4 meters out of the water. Wonder if it goes faster the more they turn her.

I was sort of thinking the same.

Looks like it will take much longer than 12 hours to have the wreck back up. I wonder if they will work at night. The weather looks good unlike yesterday and last night with the mega storms.

If they all go home with the work half-done they could end up with some surprises so I guess they will have to keep working until the wreck is back up.

A MICOPERI engineer has been just interviewed on this topic just a while ago:
They said when they reach 20° of rotation the process will speed up, as the ship will start to "drop" under her own weight, they said they expect to be finished at around dusk.
Wish them good luck!  
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:37 pm

12 was a hypothesis, if it takes 15 or 18 its still fine, they are just saying. Weather will deteriorate soon though wont be a big problem.
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:42 pm

Press conference:
my translation as it goes live:
The chief engineer said they will not m ind if it takes 18 hours for as long as the work is done properly. They have equipments and lights to work 24/24 and they can work even without lights if necessary.
Also they said they are ready and able to work in any weather condition and the weather is not a factor. He sees no elements that could be of worry, they are watching everything closely yet they don't see any reasons to worry.Everything is going exactly as planned.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:42 pm

It's not just the weight of the ship, the caissons are filled with water at the moment, helping the righting.
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Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:59 pm

The most difficult part was the initial lift, the explanation given on the BBC was that after the initial lift they had reduced the pressure on the winches as they wish to limit the amount of distortion on the hull. They could proceed much quicker, but its better to do so slowly. Additional factors include the water trapped in the ship which will move as she rights, too quickly and this could wash a big heap of debris out into the sea. With regard to the caissons they will help the righting, but I assume that they will only be filled gradually as the ship is lifted, in the early stages they would be more of a hindrance than a help if full.

Its all looking good so far, the first 4 metres or so doesn't look that impressive, but the next 4 will take it a long way over.
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:40 pm

If definantly appears to have sped up a bit. Just in the past 10 mins or so, the antenna to the right of the radome has more or less disappeared out of sight.

 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:55 pm

Live Parbuckling Costa Concordia: prove tecniche di trasmissione

Live feed interruption because of technical glitches?

http://www.lastampa.it/2013/09/16/mu...1A92PwKYZht9cxH8nBlGjL/pagina.html

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:14 pm

Hilarious press conference going on at the moment. The two engineers(?) are lambasting the media for only focusing on the negatives and questioning them over why they had a backup plan in place for some issue, when they could at least admit appreciate that a backup plan was in place in the first place  .
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 40):

Yes I heard this.
This live feed is working.
http://video.repubblica.it/edizione/...el-giglio/139924/138460?ref=HREA-1

They said they can keep working in the dark even without much light and they will go all night if necessary. They don't want to hurry the work. All is going according to plan they said.

Been very interesting to watch all along since they started this morning.
This will be a success.

Will they sell the structure for metal?
I can't see this being reconverted and sailed again.

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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:48 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 41):
Will they sell the structure for metal?

Yes. Multiple sources say it will be scrapped. The ship's been sitting on its side in seawater for 21 months. Can you imagine trying to get anyone to insure a refloated version of that?
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:55 pm

This recoop is a very complex and ambitious project. It is fascinating to be able to follow it live.

It will probably take a good part of the night to have the structure back up. A lot of hard work.
They said that 8 people went inside to do something about the caissons and all went as wanted.

Going slowly but surely. i wish them total success.

        
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:56 pm

Definantly on the move now. Not fast, but decent progress has been made in the past hour and a bit, with the radome slowly moving out of the picture as well.
 
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:42 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 44):
Definantly on the move now. Not fast, but decent progress has been made in the past hour and a bit, with the radome slowly moving out of the picture as well.

The large radome on the right is gone. I was wondering why they didn't recover the antennas and the other equipment which didn't get submerged, they should have some value, the ship was relatively new...

Some highlights from the last press conference:

- They hope to be finished before sunrise tomorrow, yet they don't know
- Weather will get worse, they are not worried
- Darkness not an issue as well
- They had a problem when 4 cables got tangled when losing tension, they sent some crews onboard and re-aligned them. This caused the rotation to be stopped for 1 hour
- everything's looking fine so far.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:08 pm

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Structure about 9.00 PM local time Giglio
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:43 pm

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Giglio 21h40 local time
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:24 pm

Quoting curlyheadboy (Reply 45):

I understand it's considered a crime scene. Salvagers & rescuers didn't touch anything unless they had to.
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RE: Costa Concordia Update

Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:48 pm

Quoting curlyheadboy (Reply 45):
I was wondering why they didn't recover the antennas and the other equipment which didn't get submerged, they should have some value, the ship was relatively new...

I think most will be a write off. Its been subjected all sorts of environs, heat, humidity etc ...
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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos