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Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:52 am

On the news today, they announced that the Linear Chuo Shinkansen, one of the largest Maglev high-speed train projects underway, will follow a very direct route between Tokyo and Nagoya, phase one of the project which is slated to continue to Osaka eventually.
I was able to iPhone-snap the map which showed the stations chosen.
http://i39.tinypic.com/20sjdyx.jpg (excuse the quality and the overturned 787 model)

http://www.sankeibiz.jp/business/news/130916/bsc1309160501001-n1.htm

It says the average speed will be 286 km/h.

The route takes it under a very large tunnel in the Minami-Alps between Shinagawa and Kôfu Stations.
Here's the list of stations:
Shinagawa, Tokyo (Tokaido Shinkansen, Yamanote Line, Keihin-Tohoku Line, Tokaido Main Line, Yokosuka Line)
Sagamihara, Kanagawa (Yokohama Line)
Kôfu, Yamanashi (Chuo Main Line, Minobu Line)
Iida, Nagano (Iida Line)
Nakatsugawa, Gifu (Chuo Main Line)
Nagoya Station (Tokaido Main Line, Chuo Main Line, Kansai Main Line, Tokaido Shinkansen)

The routing between Tokyo and Nagoya should take about 40 minutes.
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:40 am

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
It says the average speed will be 286 km/h.

But the conventional HSR in Spain can go 350km/h. Why are the Japanese doing a maglev at twice the cost?
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:18 am

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
(excuse the quality and the overturned 787 model)

That is unforgiveable!!!! *the overturned 787... if you want to overturn it then please add some charring on it!*

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
But the conventional HSR in Spain can go 350km/h. Why are the Japanese doing a maglev at twice the cost?

The maximum speed of the planned Japanese Maglev rolling stock is over 500km/h...
The average speed of the conventional HSR (average as in end to end distance divided by end to end time) is a lot less than 350km/h...
The cost is huge due to the extensive underground sections of it... about 100km of it... on a route less than 300km long.
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:13 am

Neat!

That sounds like a massive project.

However, I don't see where the 40 min trip time comes from, unless we're talking about a non-stop train that bypasses the intermediary stations.
In which case the quoted 286 km/h accounts for stopping a few times on the way, increasing the overall Tokyo-Nagoya trip time?

I'm also guessing the extensive tunneling is needed because Maglev doesn't do turns very well at 500 kph...
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Chuo

What does 'Chuo' mean?

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 2):
That is unforgiveable!!!! *the overturned 787... if you want to overturn it then please add some charring on it!*

Agreed. You need to have a bunch of mechanics standing around it in any case.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 3):
I'm also guessing the extensive tunneling is needed because Maglev doesn't do turns very well at 500 kph...

Good point. Also land acquisition must be expensive and politically difficult.
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:38 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
What does 'Chuo' mean?

Chuo (中央) basically means 'central.' The Chubu region (中部地方) where it is being built is the central part of Honshu and there are many places/companies that have names reflecting the region they are located in. For example, NGO is Chubu Centrair International Airport (中部国際空港). Centrair is an abbreviation of Central Japan International Airport.
 
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:18 pm

According to the JR Times the route length is 286 km and the travel time is 40 minutes giving an overall speed of 429 km/h, which is just under the maximum operational speed (not average) of 431 km/h of the much shorter Shanghai - Pudong maglev.

By the sounds of it the Chuo Shinkansen will definitely be a train for getting from A to B and not enjoying the gorgeous scenery that Japan has to offer on their slower lines.
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:45 am

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 2):
That is unforgiveable!!!! *the overturned 787... if you want to overturn it then please add some charring on it!*

Sorry! I'm repairing the engine. It broke free from its cowling!

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
What does 'Chuo' mean?

It literally means "Central."
There's the Chuo Line in Tokyo that cuts down the center of the western part of town, and subsequently continues to Nagoya through the central mountains.
Also in Osaka there's a Chuo Subway Line which cuts through the center of Osaka.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
But the conventional HSR in Spain can go 350km/h. Why are the Japanese doing a maglev at twice the cost?
Quoting francoflier (Reply 3):
In which case the quoted 286 km/h accounts for stopping a few times on the way, increasing the overall Tokyo-Nagoya trip time?
Quoting allrite (Reply 6):
According to the JR Times the route length is 286 km and the travel time is 40 minutes giving an overall speed of 429 km/h, which is just under the maximum operational speed (not average) of 431 km/h of the much shorter Shanghai - Pudong maglev.

LOL translation error. Sorry y'all  
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:43 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Sorry! I'm repairing the engine. It broke free from its cowling!

Wow! That's serious! Is there gonna be another fleetwide grounding?  
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:19 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
LOL translation error. Sorry y'all

Makes more sense, although I wonder if many trains will make it non-stop.

This will be a massive investment. Maglev tracks are expensive enough, but since most of these will be built under mountain ranges, this will probably be the priciest /km construction cost of any rail project anywhere in the World.
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:13 am

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 8):
Wow! That's serious! Is there gonna be another fleetwide grounding?

Ha! Well there's an NH 787 sitting on 16L and has been for a few days....not sure why though  http://i39.tinypic.com/10368vb.jpg

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
This will be a massive investment. Maglev tracks are expensive enough, but since most of these will be built under mountain ranges, this will probably be the priciest /km construction cost of any rail project anywhere in the World.

They've been pumping money into this for a while.....over 10 years now. Seems like JR East is quite fluid, and outside investment helps fund this project. Most analysts says this will be enormously successful.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 9):
Makes more sense, although I wonder if many trains will make it non-stop.

No one thought when the Tokaido Shinkansen opened in 1964 that the 4.5 hour ride between Osaka and Tokyo would be 2.5 hours on the Nozomi service.
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:36 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Seems like JR East is quite fluid,

The article says JR東海 (JR Tokai), which is JR Central. This project is also on the JR Central website. JR East is JR東日本.
 
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:57 am

Quoting ha763 (Reply 5):
Chuo (中央) basically means 'central.'
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
It literally means "Central."

Thanks, y'all!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Ha! Well there's an NH 787 sitting on 16L and has been for a few days....not sure why though

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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:45 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Ha! Well there's an NH 787 sitting on 16L and has been for a few days....not sure why though  

Shouldn't the slides be deployed by now?  
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RE: Chuo Shinkansen Tokyo-Nagoya Route Announced

Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:18 am

Quoting ha763 (Reply 11):
The article says JR東海 (JR Tokai), which is JR Central. This project is also on the JR Central website. JR East is JR東日本.

Again that's me on Jet lag.....I knew it was Central   

The Tokaido Shinkansen is run by them, and it rakes in so much cash for JR Tokai.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
Awaiting the stainless steel battery box?
Quoting sturmovik (Reply 13):
Shouldn't the slides be deployed by now?

This thread just turned into a thread for my airplane models   
Maybe the slides malfunctioned  
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