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Decades Old Missing Cars In Lake With Bodies

Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:16 pm

One of those strange stories. Police doing a diving training exercise in a lake in Oklahoma found a couple of cars missing since the late 1960's/early 70's and may solve some long standing missing person mysteries and provide closure for the families involved.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...-11e3-9ad0-96244100e647_story.html

Still no news on what actually happened, whether it was a crime or they just drove into the lake (or ended up in the lake) by accident and drowned.
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RE: Decades Old Missing Cars In Lake With Bodies

Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:14 am

Interesting questions this could bring up. All purely hypothetical of course:

1. If they could some how prove it was murder and had a suspect or definitive proof and that person was now very elderly in the grips of Alzheimers/Cancer/etc how would prosecution be handled?

2. If it was suicide and the victim had an insurance policy but it was within the suicide clause. They would have probably been declared dead years ago, but could/would the insurance company (if they still exist) go after that money? I'm sure they wouldn't but could they?

3. If it was found the driver/car/whoever was at fault for whatever reason could the family go back and sue? I assume not due to the statute of limitations but does that apply to faults/crimes not known at the time they occurred?

4. Who would own these cars now? The insurance company (if they were insured)?
 
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RE: Decades Old Missing Cars In Lake With Bodies

Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:49 am

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1):
1. If they could some how prove it was murder and had a suspect or definitive proof and that person was now very elderly in the grips of Alzheimers/Cancer/etc how would prosecution be handled?

We have two different incidents on the same road at the same boat ramp at the end of the road within a years time frame 40 years ago. One group of older people, one of teenagers.
If there was a crime committed as in a shooting then there would possibly be evidence with skull damage if they were shot in the head. The article indicates they found the skulls of the individuals but no other indication.

Both incidents seem to have happened in the dark hours which might indicate the people just drove off into the water at some speed and were injured to the point that they could not escape. Quite a coincidence one would think.

If a crime was committed, one would wonder if such a person would still be alive 40 years later living that lifestyle.

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1):
2. If it was suicide and the victim had an insurance policy but it was within the suicide clause. They would have probably been declared dead years ago, but could/would the insurance company (if they still exist) go after that money? I'm sure they wouldn't but could they

I doubt suicide if there were three people in each vehicle.

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1):
3. If it was found the driver/car/whoever was at fault for whatever reason could the family go back and sue? I assume not due to the statute of limitations but does that apply to faults/crimes not known at the time they occurred

There is a statue of limitations except for murder. Even if a murder did occur I would doubt there would be any evidence that would be salvageable that could indicate a particular person.

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1):
4. Who would own these cars now? The insurance company (if they were insured)?

Property of the State, I would assume until investigation is over. It would probably tough for someone to find their relatives copy of insurance from 40 years ago to claim the insurance for the vehicle assuming they had insurance.

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RE: Decades Old Missing Cars In Lake With Bodies

Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:17 am

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1):
They would have probably been declared dead years ago, but could/would the insurance company (if they still exist) go after that money? I'm sure they wouldn't but could they?

At least here in Mexico insurance companies can only dispute a claim for whatever reason, including suicide, up to two years after they´ve made a reimbursement. After that, they can´t go after anything.
 
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RE: Decades Old Missing Cars In Lake With Bodies

Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting okie (Reply 2):
Both incidents seem to have happened in the dark hours which might indicate the people just drove off into the water at some speed and were injured to the point that they could not escape.

Riding in a car at speed and hitting water and not wearing seatbelts could DEFINITELY severely injure you to the point where you are incapacitated (to the point you couldn't save yourself) or kill you.

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RE: Decades Old Missing Cars In Lake With Bodies

Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:30 am

Quoting okie (Reply 2):
There is a statue of limitations except for murder. Even if a murder did occur I would doubt there would be any evidence that would be salvageable that could indicate a particular person.

The elderly have been tried and convicted for cold-case murders. They are sent to jail or, if too infirm, house or hospital arrest. At least in this country, you do not usually get away with murder if you get caught. Must have been a terrifying last few minutes for all of them.  
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RE: Decades Old Missing Cars In Lake With Bodies

Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:03 am

Such an odd story. If they had any serious head trauma there is a chance that the medical Examineer could see it. Besides for that I doubt the bones were still together etc.. In that type of environment. The son of one of the victims is 85 years old today. Such an odd story will be interesting to see if anymore comes out of it.
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