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Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:35 pm

I did an upgrade last night to Apple's brand new IOS 7 for my iphone and ipad and gosh i wish i had never done it!!! Both devices are much slower than before even writing this text is like writing in slow motion. The batteries (despite turning off 3G and bluetooth) is getting empty faster as never experienced before! Safari denies opening pages who where accessible without problem in IOS 6.
Is there a way to install back the old 6? Have you performed the upgrade, when yes, whats your experience?
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:06 pm

Try the forums at imore.com for tips. From what I've seen the Safari slowness is when Safari is selected in iCloud; disable that and you may experience better performance. Others there have also said after a full charge the battery life improved noticeably.

I've been closely monitoring the performance of iOS7 at the imore.com forums to determine whether or not I'll make the switch on my iPad mini and iPhone 5. So far I'm leaning no but we'll see if Apple releases some fixes; apparently this "Gold Master" version of iOS7 is still being considered a beta release so I'm hesitant to make the jump.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:11 pm

Well first of all, which phone do you have? I've been running iOS7 Beta on my iphone 5 for months and updated to the full release last night and have had no issues with speed on any of the updated versions during the whole trial period.

So I'm guessing people having speed issues are using older hardware. Things started getting sluggish by the time my old iPhone 4 got to iOS6.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:24 pm

I am happy with it. Not sure what is wrong with your version, but mine is nice and slick.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:36 pm

I won't be upgrading on my iPhone 4. Reports are showing that it takes almost twice as long to open apps in iOS 7 vs. iOS 6, and 33% longer to start up the phone from power-off. I like the new features and would love to have them, but I'd rather not have a slow phone.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:40 pm

What device do you have? I have the 5 and it runs smoother than iOS 6. Yeah it is different, but I like it. The new colors to me are refreshing. The new app logos are a little tacky. But they pop, which makes the experience a little more enjoyable. I like the update so far. The only thing I don't like is the new control center. But that is more a result of my Otterbox case getting in the way. But I don't really have another option thanks to my job.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:44 pm

Well, many thanks for the hints! I will switch off icloud and see if things improve. My phone is a 4S and the pad is a 2.
Maybe I do need more time to get used to the new IOS 7  
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:48 pm

iOS7 functions well on my 5 with all manner of different gizmos. This evening I discovered you can now even use your iPhone as a spirit level..!!

My beef is with the design and the 'fresh' colours. Ik looks as if it's been designed for children.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:22 pm

Can it be worse that iTunes 11?
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:59 pm

Quoting Luxair (Thread starter):
I did an upgrade last night to Apple's brand new IOS 7 for my iphone and ipad and gosh i wish i had never done it!!! Both devices are much slower than before even writing this text is like writing in slow motion. The batteries (despite turning off 3G and bluetooth) is getting empty faster as never experienced before!

Directly following an Upgrade the system may still be downloading certain items in the background and re-indexing data for search.

The hours after a main version upgrade are thus not representative for normal use.

Quoting Luxair (Thread starter):
Safari denies opening pages who where accessible without problem in IOS 6.

What do you mean it "denies" opening them?

Quoting Luxair (Thread starter):
Is there a way to install back the old 6?

Not really. Upgrades often come with new mobile radio baseband firmware which cannot be reset normally, so even if you installed the old iOS version it might run into problems because it might not be able to communicate with the radio subsystem properly any more.

Quoting Luxair (Thread starter):
Have you performed the upgrade, when yes, whats your experience?

Downloading and installing took some time, but after playing with it for a while yesterday I used it as my alarm clock as usual and it still came up with 100% charge – and that is on my two-years-old 4S, with mobile and WiFi radios active all the time.

Performance seems fine, the same as on my iPad 3. I love quite a few of the changes (unlimited number of apps per folder, uninterrupted scrolling through months and years in the calendar, ...).

And this is the first time my iPhone and iPad actually feel like a consistent product, with hardware and software actually speaking the same visual language.

Hint: I like the UI best with font size set to minimum, but under Settings > General > Accessibility also Bold Text activated. This is the most legible and most content-rich combination for me.

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 7):
My beef is with the design and the 'fresh' colours. Ik looks as if it's been designed for children.

It's a bit like getting pushed from a ornamented baroque house into a clearly and cleanly designed Bauhaus one.

I can understand how you feel, but I still don't share your view. It's clean, essential and without embellishments, like the devices it runs on. And it works better than the old system did, which is the most essential design element of all.

Fun fact: Adoption appears to be skyrocketing – according to one survey site, already more than 40% of all iOS users seen by them is on iOS 7 as I type this. Tomorrow iOS 7 may already be on the majority of iOS devices. This is one reason why third-party support for iOS is attractive.
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Quoting n229nw (Reply 8):
Can it be worse that iTunes 11?

What about it? I like iTunes 11. Actually, it's playing music in the background as I write this.

Hint: Particularly when it "lives" on a secondary screen, it can be nice to have big cover images displayed durcing playback (basically like having the old LP cover standing next to the turntable). You can achieve that by inserting a music video into your playlist (it only works with video files with that attribute set!). When the video is done (or when you're skipping out of it), the video window turns into a cover window. This should of course (still) be an official option, but until it is again, it's an inofficial way of getting it back.

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Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting Luxair (Thread starter):

What device you have? I upgraded my iPad3. Most of the time response is ok. Changing wallpaper is painfully slow, it freezes for a minute or so. I won't try on my IP5 at least for a while.

Regarding going back, yes you can. Download old version using direct link from Apple. It is a .ipsw file. Connect to iTunes, and if you hold shift key and press iTunes restore button, it gives you option to pick the old version file.

There is a catch, this simple restore process thru iTunes works only until Apple continues to sign(kind of verification process) old iOS versions. Once Apple stops signing you cannot go back without having saved SHSH blobs of old version.

To save SHSH blobs of old version, you have to download a software called "Tiny Umbrella". With iOS 6 installed open Tiny Umbrella connect your device, it gives an option to save SHSH blobs. Save SHSH blobs for say 6.1.3/6.1.4. Once you have these you can go back to old version any time.

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Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:07 pm

It's been working without a problem on my 4S.

I'm not a fan of some of design changes, though.

I suggest that you go into your nearest Apple Store.
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:31 pm

Installed it on my iPhone 5 and my iPad with Retina display (not sure which number it is but its the last full size version they put out) and I've had no problems.

I think its pretty slick so far... havent' had any issues with Safari and speed seems just as great as it was on iOS6.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:07 am

I am having major issues backing up my devices. I can't activate the icloud because i have too much stuff on my iPhone and I'm not forking over $TWENTY for more space.

can I restore my phone from backup after upgrading the iOS?
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:11 am

Quoting Luxair (Reply 6):
My phone is a 4S

I think that's the problem, from what I've read I won't upgrade my 4S. 5 users seem to be having much better luck with it.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:16 am

I've been running iOS7 on and off since Beta 1. It's not half bad but certainly not worth the hype. I don't care for the fluorescent icons and whatnot but there are - as Klaus and others have mentioned - some nice little tweaks. If you have an iPhone 4 (rather then a 4S+) I would suggest you stay put on iOS6.

My plan is to ride out my iPhone 5 for a couple more months then switch to an Experia. You should check them out - great handsets.

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:22 am

No problems here so far. Siri cut out today for a few hours, but he's working again (male sounds much better than female to me). I do wish there were a way to tone down the colors a bit.

I like the way it doesn't try to look like 3D objects, but instead actually does a decent simulacrum of parallax of different parallel planes. I always thought the shiny jellybean look was silly.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:49 am

It's been working on my iPhone 5 quite well, though I think it's often ugly.

I upgraded through iTunes though, not over the air. I think over-the-air upgrade may be part of the problem, as the phone has to be working while it reconfigures itself.

One tip for those who are having trouble reading the skinny font. Go to Settings/General/Accessibility and turn on Bold. Also try a larger type face, and it will increase the font size in messages, mail, etc.

For me, makes the OS far more friendly, if not as "pretty"
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
I like the way it doesn't try to look like 3D objects, but instead actually does a decent simulacrum of parallax of different parallel planes. I always thought the shiny jellybean look was silly.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. but I hate the animations. They take too long and are jarring. I wish I could turn them off...
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:51 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
I am having major issues backing up my devices. I can't activate the icloud because i have too much stuff on my iPhone and I'm not forking over $TWENTY for more space.

Just make a local backup via iTunes.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
can I restore my phone from backup after upgrading the iOS?

The upgrade should leave everything in place anyway, but you should always have a backup in any case.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
I think that's the problem, from what I've read I won't upgrade my 4S. 5 users seem to be having much better luck with it.

I've had no problems on my 4S or on my iPad 3 (same processor + better GPU).

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 17):
I upgraded through iTunes though, not over the air. I think over-the-air upgrade may be part of the problem, as the phone has to be working while it reconfigures itself.

I did both (iPhone via iTunes, iPad directly) and both worked. The iPad just took longer.

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
I can't activate the icloud because i have too much stuff on my iPhone and I'm not forking over $TWENTY for more space.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
from what I've read I won't upgrade my 4S.

If it's worth anything, it's been running as well (if not better in some apps) as iOS 6 on my 4S.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:17 am

Has a certain Windows 8-esque look to it. Much simpler and less sophisticated, but so far no problems with it.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 21):
Has a certain Windows 8-esque look to it. Much simpler and less sophisticated, but so far no problems with it.

Nah. It's not based on tiles at all. Windows 8 is tile based.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:24 am

I think I will wait a week or two before downloading iOS7 on my 5.

Wait and make sure others get to smoke the bugs out of the woodwork.

I have no issues now so I will take patience as a virtue.

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:18 am

After a few years with my iPhone 4 and seeing the iOS7 "upgrades," I ran happily to Best Buy to get a new HTC One Android phone this week.

You guys can sit here and lust over the look and feel and slickness of this new OS, but you people are living in the past. The HTC one runs rings around the new iPhones. Sorry. Loved it while I had it (hardware was fantastic), but Apple better wake up because they are losing ground fast. I'm not sure at this point they can make it up.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Fun fact: Adoption appears to be skyrocketing – according to one survey site, already more than 40% of all iOS users seen by them is on iOS 7 as I type this. Tomorrow iOS 7 may already be on the majority of iOS devices. This is one reason why third-party support for iOS is attractive.
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And this should scare you as an Apple fan. The fact that so many users flocked to an upgrade so fast shows how tired they grew of the old OS and are looking for something new and exciting. A new control center, flashier icons (seriously, icons being one of the biggest improvements, really?) and "smoothness" of how things move about the screen won't do anything but drive them to new and better devices that aren't Apple driven.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:59 am

Strange, I also have an iPhone 4S and an iPad 3, upgraded both devices to iOS7 and they run actually much better than before!

All my previous apps work flawlessly and so far no issues, I even noticed a small improvement in battery life.

Overall I am pretty happy with it.

Did you guys noticed (I know, it´s a bit of a silly thing) but if you are on your home screen, and sort of tilt the screen up or down, left or right, the icons kind of float around.

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:48 am

IOS7 is running very smoothly on my 4S. I have the impression thought that it consumes a little bit more power despite motion effects and background processing being switched off.

As for the functionality, there are only two major issues for me:
* The calendar app in monthly view does not provide a good overlook over a day's appointments. That was better in IOS6.
* The music app now lists all songs along with the artist view (or at least I did not manage to revert this to the old style). For example, say I have 5 David Bowie albums, when I select David Bowie as artist, all albums appear and all songs in each album as well. In IOS6, only the albums appeared and songs would only show up when a single album is selected. The new display makes it much more inconvenient to select albums.

Other than that, I like the style and functionality.

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:26 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
The upgrade should leave everything in place anyway, but you should always have a backup in any case.

I thought the update erased the phone?
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:57 am

I think going back to IOS 6 isn't an option anymore as I feel slowly getting more confortable with the system. There are still things who annoy me like the very fast battery discharge ( you can almost see decreasing the % when looking at it ) . I give you an example. I started up my phone this morning at 10:20am with a battery charge of 95% and at exactly 10:38am the battery was at 87%!!! That's quite impressive, isn't it? Keeping in mind that Bluetooth is off but Wifi and 3 G on but still a way too much juice lost.
Another problem is, how do you size the background wallpaper to fit the screen correctly on the ipad? There is a function in settings where you can adjust the background and brightness but beeing there and selecting a picture out of the photo library works but when using it as background its completely disproportionate! There is the function to adjust it manually but that doesn't seem to work because it will always appear as less clear and disproportionate as the original picture. In IOS6 that was very simple, you had a nice photo just click on the picture and add it as background and there it was as sharp and sized as the original picture.
Safari btw seems to work fine now, i think even faster as before so there is improvment  
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:22 am

I think it works fine on my iPad 3.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Hint: I like the UI best with font size set to minimum, but under Settings > General > Accessibility also Bold Text activated. This is the most legible and most content-rich combination for me.

Hey, thanks for the tip! Looks much better indeed.

I currently only have one beef with it; I have a problem resizing pictures for the background which I didn't have on IOS6. Normally I could resize and position the picture easily with my fingers, now it takes long to load the picture and resizing doesn't work. It just keeps on resizing back...

Anyone having the same troubles?

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:45 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 24):
You guys can sit here and lust over the look and feel and slickness of this new OS, but you people are living in the past.

By one day after release running the latest OS version? I would rather say that that was about as much the opposite as it gets (other than running developer pre-releases).

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 24):
The HTC one runs rings around the new iPhones. Sorry. Loved it while I had it (hardware was fantastic), but Apple better wake up because they are losing ground fast. I'm not sure at this point they can make it up.

If you perceive it this way, it's great that you have the choice.

I personally am quite happy with the second major OS upgrade effectively turning my iPhone into yet another new device (this time making the biggest UI jump since the original iPhone), including the latest security fixes and expecting that there will be at least another major upgrade next year and regular updates in between.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 24):
And this should scare you as an Apple fan. The fact that so many users flocked to an upgrade so fast shows how tired they grew of the old OS and are looking for something new and exciting. A new control center, flashier icons (seriously, icons being one of the biggest improvements, really?) and "smoothness" of how things move about the screen won't do anything but drive them to new and better devices that aren't Apple driven.

Actually, rapid adoption of universally available iOS upgrades is standard on this platform; This time it's just even more rapid than ever before, and that while there are many more iOS users.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
I thought the update erased the phone?

No, that has never been the case. I'm still running the same setup I've started with on my iPod Touch in 2008, and that has been backed up and restored to now the third iOS device and across all iOS versions from iOS (then iPhone OS) 2 to iOS 7 now.

But in case something should happen, you should always have a backup – if you want to use iCloud, you need to have enough space or you should revert to local iTunes backups (which are the better choice privacy-wise anyway).

Quoting Luxair (Reply 29):
There are still things who annoy me like the very fast battery discharge ( you can almost see decreasing the % when looking at it ) .

I can't confirm that so far. Battery life seems to be good for me.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 30):
I currently only have one beef with it; I have a problem resizing pictures for the background which I didn't have on IOS6. Normally I could resize and position the picture easily with my fingers, now it takes long to load the picture and resizing doesn't work. It just keeps on resizing back...

I haven't resized my background on the iPad yet and on the iPhone I use an all-black background so the apps and folders don't drown in background noise.

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:44 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):

Thanks Klaus for the UI hint as you said by selecting the Bold text option. It is a way better than before!

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 30):

Lifeliner, that's exactly the problem i encountered when trying to resize background pictures! The resolution of the used pictures also decreases massively.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:06 pm

Ok guy's listen, there is a solution to the wallpaper bug! Just go to the picture you want to add as a wallpaper than take a screenshot and choose the screenshot as your background image and hoppa it works fine! Resolution is as fine as original image and it perfect fits the background screen.  
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:22 pm

Quoting Luxair (Reply 33):
Ok guy's listen, there is a solution to the wallpaper bug! Just go to the picture you want to add as a wallpaper than take a screenshot and choose the screenshot as your background image and hoppa it works fine! Resolution is as fine as original image and it perfect fits the background screen.

Strange. That surely sounds like a bug due to be fixed in one of the next updates.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:36 pm

It sure is a bug Klaus. It's all over in the Apple forums but I'm confident that they will fix it asap. However, if you want to use your pictures as wallpaper than follow the instructions above is the best way to get it work for the moment beeing.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:49 pm

This is one thing I think apple does well. If you are using old hardware they let you upgrade but it will slow it down. Each upgrade is designed to take advantage of the most powerful current devices.

I would rather this than hamstringing new devices for the sake of universal compatibility.(that's what Microsoft did with windows for years)

If you are running old hardware do not be surprised that it will run slower.

The same thing happened with me old iPhone 3. In fact I had to go back to a previous version. The issues at the time were exactly as mentioned I this post.

The upgrade runs great on my iPad 3 ..


I just wish apple would do a better job telling people with old hardware the risks to upgrading.

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Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 24):
The fact that so many users flocked to an upgrade so fast shows how tired they grew of the old OS and are looking for something new and exciting.

Really?

Because that's what happens with every new iteration of iOS, regardless of monumental change or not.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:16 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
I thought the update erased the phone?

No. It just moves data to the new locations in IOS7. I upgraded my 5 without a hitch and had it backed up to ICLOUD. I also used iTunes (Just in case).

The only issue I have seen, and this is a weird one. is a coworker had his Phone number changed fro all his outgoing messenger texts. like a 6 digit number. He had to go to the genius bar.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:22 pm

Quoting planewasted (Reply 28):

After all the claims about how dangerous fingerprints are but everything else is so safe this sure is funny.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:58 pm

Quoting cmf (Reply 39):
After all the claims about how dangerous fingerprints are but everything else is so safe this sure is funny.

How does a bug in the lock screen mechanism have anything to do with fingerprint security issues?

(Short-term mitigation for this bug, of course, would be to disable Control Center on the lock screen until the fix is available.)
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:26 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
How does a bug in the lock screen mechanism have anything to do with fingerprint security issues?

LOL. You claimed fingerprint is unsecure but the rest of the SW is secure as long as you use the existing security features. You tried to emphasise your claim by stating you expect a fingerprint exploit within a week. Well using pin codes didn't last more than a few hours. The irony.  
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RE: IOS 7 OMG I'm So Angry!

Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:47 pm

I´m running iOS7 on an iPad2.
I was afraid that it would slow it down but so far so good.
The only thing I noticed is a higher battery consumption, which for me is not a big issue because I only use the iPad at home.
I guess they´ll come out soon with version 7.0.1 with minor adjustments just like they did in the past
 
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RE: IOS 7 OMG I'm So Angry!

Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:45 pm

Quoting cmf (Reply 41):
LOL. You claimed fingerprint is unsecure but the rest of the SW is secure as long as you use the existing security features. You tried to emphasise your claim by stating you expect a fingerprint exploit within a week. Well using pin codes didn't last more than a few hours. The irony.

...is entirely in your own head since the fingerprint unlock and the passcode unlock are affected exactly the same: They are both circumvented so their respective security is made utterly irrelevant, which is the whole problem in the first place.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:38 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 43):
...is entirely in your own head since the fingerprint unlock and the passcode unlock are affected exactly the same: They are both circumvented so their respective security is made utterly irrelevant, which is the whole problem in the first place.

Deflect all you can but reality is that this hit spot on at the place you insisted was safe.   
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:56 pm

Quoting cmf (Reply 44):
Deflect all you can but reality is that this hit spot on at the place you insisted was safe.

Nope. That is nothing but a false straw man argument.

Bugs have nothing to do with the inherent security of certain protection mechanisms (or the lack thereof) and they are always a possibility. Some bugs (like this one) render an entire protection layer irrelevant irrespective of the actual mechanisms in it. Completely different issue from what we've discussed before.
 
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RE: IOS 7 OMG I'm So Angry!

Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:52 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 45):

From the other thread:

Quote:
As I had explained before, Apple did in fact have such a severe bug in the boot ROM of the older devices which was in fact exploited by the "jailbreaking" community and probably by others as well, but a) that bug also just let them circumvent the outer access layer (rendering the going-through-Apple route unnecessary), b) even with that bug the second encryption level remained out of reach when good passcodes were used and c) that bug has been fixed since the iPhone 4S and iPad 2. No cold break in on that route to a locked newer device has become known since then, and not for lack of intense trying.

Emphasis added. Time to accept that the standard you set for fingerprint to mean it was unsecure has hit the rest of the device.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:32 pm

Quoting cmf (Reply 46):
Emphasis added. Time to accept that the standard you set for fingerprint to mean it was unsecure has hit the rest of the device.

You're confusing and conflating distinct parts of the entire security complex.

IT security is a highly complex issue with many layers and while I completely understand the impulse and desire to find that one "magic bullet" that will end all threats, such a thing does not and can not exist, unfortunately.

The one simple answer you seek just does not exist. It is in fact necessary to look at the entire complex issue to get anywhere. In the best case, most of the bases are covered by a manufacturer already, providing a decent set of ready-made solutions for good security overall, hiding most of the actual complexity behind the scenes. But manufacturers don't always explain all the intricacies and residual risks of all the available options to consumers ("Risks? You've got risks?").

And sometimes, unfortunately, manufacturers even drop the ball as with this bug, which in the entire scheme of things unhinges a part of the total security (since most of the data on the device still remains protected) regardless of the locking mechanism used (although provisional mitigation is easy for users: just disable Control Center on the lock screen).

Oversimplifications and confusion are actively dangerous – as convenient as they may seem.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:06 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Battery life seems to be good for me.


Too right there. With iOS6 I was obliged to recharge my iPhone 5 every day. Early yesterday (Thursday) morning I begun with a full charge. Some thirty-six hours later I still have a 43% charge.
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RE: IOS 7 OMG I'm So Angry!

Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
By one day after release running the latest OS version? I would rather say that that was about as much the opposite as it gets (other than running developer pre-releases).

Nope. Not just after one day, have used it before this week a number of times. Apple even proves it. Woke up today an email from Apple to introduce us to the new phone.

It included a 1:30 second video link. The first 20 seconds show the phone and it's design. Again, I don't think anyone builds a better phone than Apple. Look great, great quality. Mine even survived a direct fire on a glass top stove.

The next 10 seconds there is some blabber but no proof or examples of how everything thing in the new phone is useful and enhances the users experience.

The next minute it talks and shows how the finger print system works.

That's it. That's all they got. Great hardware and a finger print system. Sorry, I'm using a Smart Phone as a variety of media options, phone, internet, email, etc. I'm not buying a finger print machine.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, the new operating system has such earth shattering upgrades as letting the camera take "square pictures." Forgot about that one... Seriously, this IOS is going to be one of Apples biggest bombs in terms of what it does for the user. If Apple charged for the upgrade, you would see dismal numbers of downloads from current phone users. Face it people, Steve Jobs is gone and so is the shine.

Video, see for yourself:

http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/video...-P0015765-309904&sr=em#video-touch
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