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Honestly, I don't think Trump will be President in two years. He quite likely will be in Prison come 2020. But with a lunatic like Pence waiting in the wings, that doesn't help the nation much.


Someone elsewhere explained that you select the vice president to be a "terrible replacement".
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WIederling wrote:
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Honestly, I don't think Trump will be President in two years. He quite likely will be in Prison come 2020. But with a lunatic like Pence waiting in the wings, that doesn't help the nation much.


Someone elsewhere explained that you select the vice president to be a "terrible replacement".
Protection against political assassination.


I don't think any Presidential assassin has ever worried about who was VP.
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I'm just going to say it. I don't like the turn the last couple of posts have taken. Can we leave that discussion elsewhere?
 
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I'm just going to say it. I don't like the turn the last couple of posts have taken. Can we leave that discussion elsewhere?


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Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:41 pm

I agree that there's a really good change that Trump is not president on 1/19/2021, but I don't want to discuss the sequence of events that leads to that conclusion that was discussed above.

I think he will be impeached. (ImPEEched?) But I don't want to normalize violence in any way.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:49 pm

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Soo I've read in various places that this was a 4chan prank type deal.


Seems like it was, it tells us a lot about journalistic standards of modern day liberal media when it's reported as real news.I trust the Onion more than Buzzfeed, at least their employees are good at their job.


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Honestly, I don't think Trump will be President in two years. He quite likely will be in Prison come 2020. But with a lunatic like Pence waiting in the wings, that doesn't help the nation much.


Oh the irony, hardcore liberals like you acting just like hardcore Trump fans did when they wanted Trump to put Clinton into a prison. I've really enjoyed Trump's victory because it showed the world you liberals are no more sensible or rational than the hardcore Trump supporters.
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Let's just see if Trump cancels his press conference scheduled for tomorrow.


How did that work out?
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:33 pm

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I agree that there's a really good change that Trump is not president on 1/19/2021, but I don't want to discuss the sequence of events that leads to that conclusion that was discussed above.

I think he will be impeached. (ImPEEched?) But I don't want to normalize violence in any way.

Agreed. Let's please keep the discussion on topic and not veer into potentially violent outcomes.
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To me the prostitutes stuff is likely just a bunch of crap, false stories to distract or extort people like Trump. The real issue of Trump and Russia is the possible financial connections of Russian friends of Putin oligarchs who loaned Trump money when he went into his 7th or so bankruptcy or overpaid for apartments in his last direct project (Trump SoHo in NYC) to launder money as part of the deal. That is blackmail and unacceptable in a President. That is a likely reason he won't release hit tax returns.
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Oh the irony, hardcore liberals like you acting just like hardcore Trump fans did when they wanted Trump to put Clinton into a prison. I've really enjoyed Trump's victory because it showed the world you liberals are no more sensible or rational than the hardcore Trump supporters.


On the contrary. I think Trump is going to bury himself with his conflicts of interest. A man with investments all over the world, like he has, and with his penchant for being so self-centered, cannot serve both the United States as its President, or his interest in making cash. They will collide, and he'll end up, at the very least, being impeached, or he will resign.

But the import of this report is clear. Russia is indeed holding something over his head, and Russia certainly doesn't want what's n the best interest of the United States.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:03 pm

Is this worse than the locker room talk with Billy Bush?

If Dems wanted to win presidency all they needed to do was to nominate Senator Sanders. As simple as that. Why did DNC and everyone else railroad him and nominate Hillary? Because Sanders didn't agree with everything Obama did and Hillary conveniently singing Obama tune.

Now the more sprout eating, latte sipping and Prius driving elites keep whining, Trump is going to double down and wipe out all the good Obama did. Not good for the country.

Either Dems and Media have trouble understanding the consequences or they are punishing all citizens for not electing Hillary. If Obama wants to keep parts of his legacy alive, stop this.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:16 pm

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But the import of this report is clear. Russia is indeed holding something over his head, and Russia certainly doesn't want what's n the best interest of the United States.


Yes it does. Russia wants peace to the world and equal trade relations with the west, while war mongering democrats constantly create chaos by supporting Islamists and creating sanctions against Russia.

Shame on you for supporting the evil.
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But the import of this report is clear. Russia is indeed holding something over his head, and Russia certainly doesn't want what's n the best interest of the United States.


Yes it does. Russia wants peace to the world and equal trade relations with the west, while war mongering democrats constantly create chaos by supporting Islamists and creating sanctions against Russia.

Shame on you for supporting the evil.


Why don't you tell that to the Syrian women and children killed by soviet planes, or the people of Ukraine?
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:59 pm

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Why don't you tell that to the Syrian women and children killed by soviet planes, or the people of Ukraine?
Peace? My A$$


It's not Russia's or Assad's fault Islamist rebels decided to start a civil war, the US and its allies have much more blood on their hands than Russia. I don't think Russia is doing anything wrong in Ukraine either when they support the Russian minority that wants their part of the country to join Russia. I believe in democracy, and in a true democracy people are free to choose which country they belong to.

The fact is United States has caused way, way more deaths since end of the WW2 than Soviet Union/Russia. Based on this from those two countries Russia is clearly much, much more peaceful.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:39 pm

#FAKENEWS

However, instead of it being Trump that was doing the trolling, it was apparently 4chan.

An important point from Glenn Greenwald -

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?


https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the ... ems-cheer/
 
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I don't think Russia is doing anything wrong in Ukraine either when they support the Russian minority that wants their part of the country to join Russia. I believe in democracy, and in a true democracy people are free to choose which country they belong to.


I bet you'd flip out if the US started supporting the people in Russia that would rather see another president than Putin. Maybe if US troops started escorting journalists and dissidents so no "unfortunate accidents" happen to them? I'm sure that would go over just fine with you.
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SOBHI51 wrote:
Why don't you tell that to the Syrian women and children killed by soviet planes, or the people of Ukraine?
Peace? My A$$


It's not Russia's or Assad's fault Islamist rebels decided to start a civil war, the US and its allies have much more blood on their hands than Russia. I don't think Russia is doing anything wrong in Ukraine either when they support the Russian minority that wants their part of the country to join Russia. I believe in democracy, and in a true democracy people are free to choose which country they belong to.

The fact is United States has caused way, way more deaths since end of the WW2 than Sovi
How about we go back just a little further, to Stalin's purgers of the military and others from 1938 until the early 50's. It's estimated that there where 34 to 49 MILLION killed at Stalin's whim. And et Union/Russia. Based on this from those two countries Russia is clearly much, much more peaceful.


You have no clue what you're talking about. It's estimated that between 1938 and 1953, Stalin had between 34 and 49 MILLION people killed in purgers and executions. That's a 15 year peroid. Now, you're gonna tell me the U.S. has caused that many deaths? You're out of your freakin' mind.

http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people- ... ll-1111789

There has never been anything peaceful about Russia, at any time or in any way. Be it under the Czar's, the Communists, or under another dictator like Putin, Ruissia, is, by nature, a rough, uncultired, barbaric entity. And you don't deal normally with rough, uncultured thugs like what live in Russia.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:26 am

4chan gonna 4chan. In order to understand 4chan you have to watch the movie "Batman: the Dark Knight". 4chan is literally the Joker from that movie. And they do it all for the lulz. It's brilliant really.
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:38 am

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4chan gonna 4chan.

It's brilliant really.


It really is.

Zerohedge has a nice summary of it:

The remarkable thing? It's all fake. And not only fake; it's a prank perpetuated by 4chan, on Rick Wilson himself. A post on 4chan on october 26 stated “mfw managed to convince CTR and certain (((journalists))) on Twitter there'll be an October surprise on Trump this Friday” along with a picture of a smug face with a hash name. http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/94704894/#94705224

on november 1, a person without a picture but is assumed to be the same person posted “So they took what I told Rick Wilson and added a Russian spy angle to it. They still believe it. Guys, they're truly f*cking desperate - there's no remaining Trump scandal that's credible.” https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/9 ... /#95571329


It's just incredible that the media (specifically, CNN and BuzzFeed, but others as well) are so desperate for something, anything, to derail Trump that they would allow themselves to get fooled in this way. (Not to mention some of the folks on this forum.) The far left just eagerly lapped up all of the evidence-free, anonymous assertions... and now they look like idiots.

They threw away every single shred of journalistic integrity in a last ditch attempt to get at Trump. And, what does it say for our "intelligence" community if they did, indeed, brief Obama and Trump on this garbage?
 
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SOBHI51 wrote:
Why don't you tell that to the Syrian women and children killed by soviet planes, or the people of Ukraine?
Peace? My A$$


It's not Russia's or Assad's fault Islamist rebels decided to start a civil war, the US and its allies have much more blood on their hands than Russia.


You didn't take my advice and read a little more about the Syrian conflict. People wanted freedom from a dictatorship, started in 2011, Islamist got involved in the latest part of 2012.
Russia got involved when the regime was about to fall, not because they love Assad but because if they loose Syria they will have no deap water port in the Med.

Putin is a dictator/Tzar, period.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:57 am

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4chan gonna 4chan. In order to understand 4chan you have to watch the movie "Batman: the Dark Knight". 4chan is literally the Joker from that movie. And they do it all for the lulz. It's brilliant really.


I think this will end up being the root of the problem, because in this hyper-partisan anything is plausible. When people desperately want to believe something they only look at it close enough to think it will help their cause, not if its necessarily true (IE FIFA, US World Cup, and Onion). On the other hand it might be that 4chan is claiming it post-release because it will cause trump people to go "See, we told you" even if not necessarily true, because in either scenario it accomplishes the goal of 4chan Joker of psychological warfare on the public.

Coming from a somewhat neutral person in the fight (voted for neither of them), here is my advice to my left leaning brethren, once the news cycle passes it, do not bring it up again unless undeniable evidence shows up that its true, and even then think on it. I don't say this because I am some closet trump supporter that doesn't want people disparaging his good name (because I really don't care). It is because continual harping on it will make it the left wing Benghazi. Do not make the same mistakes that republicans made when trying to convince people against Clinton. They thought if they found the smoking gun, the public will turn on her, but refused to let it go after the public pretty much said we don't care about it anymore and caused a reaction of "what this s*** again" every time they brought it up. It will happen in this case because 1) no one is shocked that this may have happened and 2) I believe the that the above sentiment is already starting to manifest because when people like the president*, they'll forgive a lot of thing (IE. Clinton, Kennedy) and a lot of near caliber scandals hit him already during the election and he proved to be as much politically teflon as Clinton. Put it simply, choose another hill to fight on.

And to trump supporters (more trump but he'll never read this) wanting to talk about it after the news cycle is over, remember 3 simple rules
1) Shut up
2) Shut the ____ up!
3) That Includes Tweeting!
Bringing it up will revive it and it will do no good, regardless of if new evidence proofs you right

* On that note, i would also say that keep in mind that most people do not hate him like you do. Most may not wish for him as our president but are willing to give him a chance to prove them wrong. Dems thought everyone hates bush and that disconnect allowed him to win re-election. Same with Reps in 2012, ironically one of the radio shows i listened to had a segment where they read a story every day that proved obama could be beaten by a ham sandwhich, they sure ate a lot of something after that election.
 
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josepha1 wrote:
4chan gonna 4chan.

It's brilliant really.


It really is.

Sorry dude. Twasn't 4chan.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/no-that- ... chan-hoax/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... story.html


Just because ISIS claims responsibility, do you assume it was ISIS? No. They claim everything.

I don't know why you would assume 4chan claiming something means they did it.
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:45 am

Why won't he let us see his tax returns? What is he hiding? Russian connections, perhaps?
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People are entitled to their sex lives. What happens between 2 consenting adults is their business. Period!
 
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Why won't he let us see his tax returns? What is he hiding? Russian connections, perhaps?


Because everyone would know that his net worth is nowhere remotely near the 8 Billion he claims to have. Plus of course Russian connections, he build "little Moscow" in Florida (?), now he is hell-bend on making the US little Russia. He probably only ran to give Putins Blowjobs, so Russians keep buying his Condos, often with Cash and no Banks involved.

What is the only are of business left that runs largely on cash transactions? Organized crime and the money laundering scheme turning those profits into clean money....

Did the US ever have a OC President?

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Only that Trump ran for the party that disagrees with your statement, hence it doesn´t apply to him.

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Please do not post fake news.
 
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People are entitled to their sex lives. What happens between 2 consenting adults is their business. Period!


Except when the name Clinton is mentioned...
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Please do not post fake news.


http://theweek.com/speedreads/672669/bb ... mp-dossier

WSJ is owned by whom? According to the whiner-elect, only CNN is "fake" so this counts.
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Is it on Breitbart?
 
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Please do not post fake news.

It's not fake news.
 
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Be it under the Czar's, the Communists, or under another dictator like Putin, Ruissia, is, by nature, a rough, uncultired, barbaric entity. And you don't deal normally with rough, uncultured thugs like what live in Russia.


I'd think you lack competence to judge that.
Your observable metric is us=good, them=bad.

That is below primitive.
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Yes it does. Russia wants peace to the world


Yup, the peace and quiet after the detonation of a ballistic missile warhead Putin likes to shoot at civilian targets....

and equal trade relations with the west,


Haha.. cute... in order to have equal trade you need to have products people want to buy. Russia has zero. The only noteworthy product they have is wood. Not in the form of finely crafted furniture, but raw cuts. Anything else of worth is raw materials. As a large industrialized oil exporter they can´t even produce enough oil based lubricants for their domestic use. In order to have equal trade, you need to be able to see into other people eyes, not drag 20 to 30 years behind in terms of technology.

Russia is Nigeria with Nukes and less citizens.

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There is no evidence being presented by the government or the media.
 
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Except when the name Clinton is mentioned...


The issue was not that Clinton had sex with an intern except maybe for hardcore Republicans.

The bigger issue is that Clinton had sex with a junior intern and that he lied about it.
 
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and that he lied about it.


such a big issue that the accused is free to lie his ass of in pretty much all of the civilized world.

Trump is lying about raping and assaulting his first wife, where is the outrage about that? Rape certainly trumps consentual sex.

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such a big issue that the accused is free to lie his ass of in pretty much all of the civilized world.

Trump is lying about raping and assaulting his first wife, where is the outrage about that? Rape certainly trumps consentual sex.

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Whataboutery has been the time honored tactic of the loony right! Why are supposed liberals adopting that? Please!
 
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Why are supposed liberals adopting that? Please!


Turnaround is fair play and it was you that brought the issue of lying being so god-aweful up, not me.

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You have no clue what you're talking about. It's estimated that between 1938 and 1953, Stalin had between 34 and 49 MILLION people killed in purgers and executions. That's a 15 year peroid. Now, you're gonna tell me the U.S. has caused that many deaths? You're out of your freakin' mind.


Most of that stuff happened before the war so it doesn't count. Besides, why judge the entire Soviet Union based on Stalin when the decades after him were much, much better?

What matters is how many people post-Stalin Soviet Union killed compared to the US. Also Soviet Union mostly oppressed its own people, which in my books is much less bad than bringing death and destruction to other countries.

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There has never been anything peaceful about Russia, at any time or in any way. Be it under the Czar's, the Communists, or under another dictator like Putin, Ruissia, is, by nature, a rough, uncultired, barbaric entity. And you don't deal normally with rough, uncultured thugs like what live in Russia.


Last time the US was somewhat peaceful was during the isolationist policies pre WW1.

Uncultured? Rough? Barbaric? Haha, you have clearly never been in St.Petersburg. I wonder if you have ever even left the United States?

Again. Learn history and go travel, that's what I did to get a better understanding of the world than your black-white thinking.


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You didn't take my advice and read a little more about the Syrian conflict. People wanted freedom from a dictatorship, started in 2011, Islamist got involved in the latest part of 2012.


I believe that claim is just propaganda with little basis in reality.

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Russia got involved when the regime was about to fall, not because they love Assad but because if they loose Syria they will have no deap water port in the Med.


Certainly.

SOBHI51 wrote:
Putin is a dictator/Tzar, period.


Sure, but he's a dictator I like. Democracy has brought me and my country nothing but misery lately since our somewhat authoritarian president Kekkonen died, I would much prefer enlightened dictatorship over it.

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Only that Trump ran for the party that disagrees with your statement, hence it doesn´t apply to him.


As far as I know democrats don't support legalization of prostitution either, so they really don't believe in freedom of two consenting adults to have sex if they so wish either.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:13 pm

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so they really don't believe in freedom of two consenting adults to have sex if they so wish either.


Which is true, but doesn´t have any bearing on the discussion. We did run for the party that supports neither legalized prostitution nor freedom to chose your sex partner, so no matter how you twist and turn it, the argument doesn´t apply to him. You can chose however selectively you want to apply it to democrats, but you can in no way apply it to him.

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New revelations from the same sources!

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New revelations from the same sources!


None of which would make them unfit to be president, even if true. And that is not Buzzfeed, and Buzzfeed is not CNN.

But nice try.

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Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:47 pm

I don't think you guys give 4chan enough credit.
It's amazing what a number of relatively innocuous people who are well organized and led can do.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:47 pm

Its a good lesson for CNN. If you want to remain a legitimate news organization you shouldn't repeat everything comes across syndicated news wire. They even repeat Daily Mail news verbatim.

It was also bad move to close investigative news division and start buying reports from other independent sources.
 
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Its a good lesson for CNN. If you want to remain a legitimate news organization you shouldn't repeat everything comes across syndicated news wire. They even repeat Daily Mail news verbatim.

It was also bad move to close investigative news division and start buying reports from other independent sources.


I won't blame CNN for Trump's actions. But on the second sentence, I agree 100%. CNN cut out true journalism for sensationalism, and it cost them. But they're no more fake news than any other legit news network, publication or website.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:04 pm

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Except when the name Clinton is mentioned...


The issue was not that Clinton had sex with an intern except maybe for hardcore Republicans.

The bigger issue is that Clinton had sex with a junior intern and that he lied about it.


And when we find out the crybaby elect is lying about it?

Also, the party of "family values" and "marriage is one man, one woman" and "Biblical marriage" etc. is simply saying "who cares?" when it comes to any of their own doing the exact same thing Bill Clinton did. They say "we will hold our own to the same high standards" but when it comes right down to it, they lie.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:33 pm

Hillis wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Its a good lesson for CNN. If you want to remain a legitimate news organization you shouldn't repeat everything comes across syndicated news wire. They even repeat Daily Mail news verbatim.

It was also bad move to close investigative news division and start buying reports from other independent sources.


I won't blame CNN for Trump's actions. But on the second sentence, I agree 100%. CNN cut out true journalism for sensationalism, and it cost them. But they're no more fake news than any other legit news network, publication or website.


What was inaccurate about the CNN report?
 
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1. This is not the real stuff Russians have on Trump. The "juicy" compro on Trump is still in Lubyanka vaults and it may not necessarilly be of sexual nature. Why would they discredit their asset before he even takes office?

2. Leaking this video, the good folks from KGB were perhaps just trying help out Donnie by providing a little teaser for the inauguration ceremony, which is supposed to be all about "soft sensuality" :covereyes: (Trump version of it) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38578885

3. Trump is right about one thing: In the post-fact era he can go live on a national TV, suck Putin's d*ck in the middle of the 5th Ave. while handing him access codes for the NORAD computers and still not lose too many voters.

4. Speaking of inauguration... have they figured out already which anthem will be played on the 20th.?


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Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:07 am

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People are entitled to their sex lives. What happens between 2 consenting adults is their business. Period!


Voted Bernie in the primary. Voted Clinton in the election. This is all that needs to be said. Trump might as well admit it and say, "OK, now what?"
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Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:20 am

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You have no clue what you're talking about. It's estimated that between 1938 and 1953, Stalin had between 34 and 49 MILLION people killed in purgers and executions. That's a 15 year peroid. Now, you're gonna tell me the U.S. has caused that many deaths? You're out of your freakin' mind.


Most of that stuff happened before the war so it doesn't count. Besides, why judge the entire Soviet Union based on Stalin when the decades after him were much, much better?

What matters is how many people post-Stalin Soviet Union killed compared to the US. Also Soviet Union mostly oppressed its own people, which in my books is much less bad than bringing death and destruction to other countries.


It's own people. In Poland, and Hungary and Romania and Czechoslovakia and East Germany and Bulgaria....

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Putin is a dictator/Tzar, period.


Sure, but he's a dictator I like. Democracy has brought me and my country nothing but misery lately since our somewhat authoritarian president Kekkonen died, I would much prefer enlightened dictatorship over it.


Say what you like about murdering those who speak out against you and want free will....

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tommy1808 wrote:
Only that Trump ran for the party that disagrees with your statement, hence it doesn´t apply to him.


As far as I know democrats don't support legalization of prostitution either, so they really don't believe in freedom of two consenting adults to have sex if they so wish either.


Democrats are on the fence about prostitution. Many just don't care, some care about the abuse and trafficking part of it. And, yes, others want to ban it entirely. Unlike right wingers who don't talk about it. Unless one of their own is involved then, nothing to see here, move along. Or a Democrat is involved then the whole party must pay.
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