Ken777 wrote:DfwRevolution wrote:
As typically happens with special prosecutors, the alleged crime - Russian election collusion - that initiated Mueller's investigation has proven fruitless but we're left with a process crime (perjury) in order to show some results. Flynn should not have perjured himself and he should be punished for it. Flynn's contact with the Russian ambassador was legal and occurred after the election.
Four indictments so far, including the president's "Inner Circle" is far from fruitless and is
simply a start of the Special Prosecutor - especially with Kushner being identified.
We also need to remember that Flynn had many other legal risks, from obstruction of justice to his games with Turkey. His lawyer was pretty good at getting a deal with Mueller when Flynn could have looked at a lot of years if all
Your eagerness to try to make this trivial reminds me of the lost hopes of folks in the Nixon White House. While in public you can maintain that position I think you do need to prepare for something far worse. Looks like Flynn's lawyer also got some protection for Flynn's son as well. Flynn had to have a lot of valuable information for Mueller to have signed off on the deal.
You appear eager for this to bring down the entire Trump administration.
I have no dog in this hunt. I'm simply observing that the indictments so far pale in comparison to the alleged "crime of the century" that prompted this special counsel investigation. We've seen no evidence that the Trump campaign was coordinating with the Russian government to influence the election.
Could more serious charges be pending? It's possible. Could this just be another underwhelming "Fitzmas?" It's equally possible.
WarRI1 wrote:Martha Steward lied to the FBI, she got two years, lock the greedy liar up after he bags Trump or at least Kushner. He could get five years, reduce it to two.
Martha Stewart lied to the SEC, not that it matters. Don't talk to law enforcement. Ever.
MaverickM11 wrote:DfwRevolution wrote:Notice what Hillary Clinton's team did under FBI investigation. Nobody said a word and they all walked.
30 years, tens of millions in investigations, and still bupkis on HRC while even klansman Sessions won't take GOP orders to go after HRC. Barely a year and we've got multiple indictments and Flynn singing like a canary.
The FBI found that Hillary Clinton mishandled 110 emails containing classified information at the time they were sent or received including 36 Secret, 8 Top Secret, and 7 Top Secret/Special Access communications. That isn't bupkis. That's a felony per the plain text of 18 U.S. Code § 793 (f).
I don't fault Hillary Clinton's team for not talking to the FBI. That's just good legal advice. I do fault the Obama administration for turning a blind eye to conduct that obviously merited prosecution. But as usual, Republicans will police and investigate their own. Democrats will circle-the-wagons.
jetero wrote:C'mon, DFW, self-appointed expert in the history of special prosecutors:
1) How many have there been to begin with?
There's no reason to be snarky because some of us are old enough to remember the 90s. Ken Starr's special investigation culminated in Bill Clinton's impeachment for perjury. Patrick Fitzgerald's special investigation of the Plame Affair ended with Scooter Libby charged with perjury.
jetero wrote:2) How many of those result in a White House employee (nevermind the National Security Advisor) striking a plea deal?
I can think of two off the top of my head. CIA Director David Patreaus plead guilty to mishandling classified information in order to avoid more serious chargers. Former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger plead guilty to the same charge also to avoid more serious chargers.
jetero wrote:You're a know-nothing apologist IDIOT, with your head in the sand
That's just a lucky guess.
I have a three post per topic limit. You're welcome to have the last word.