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Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:07 am

I have watched the movie a few hours ago, in the early morning of 14th Dec which correspond to evening of 13th Dec in eastern USA.
This thread is for those who have watched it and also for those who don't mind spoilers.
If you have not watched it yet and are weary of spoilers, please leave now. This is the FINAL warning.
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Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:26 am

First the biggie!
Snoke is dead!!
It was a huge surprise that the big baddie is being bumped off. I only half suspected the outcome around merely ten seconds before Kylo remotely sliced his body in half with the blue lightsaber.
Snoke was so arrogant, smug and oozes overconfidence up till the moment his evil life ended.
For all his Force powers, he simply did not see it coming.
I had sort of expected Kylo's betrayal of his master sooner or later after he smashed his helmet in release of his fury at Snoke following the latter's heavy admonition in the preceding scene.
Well, it came so much sooner as I was thinking that Snoke will be killed only in the final episode.
Is his death too early?
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https://streamable.com/8x9t9

"The sacred Jedi texts!"

"Hmm. Read them, have you?"

"Well, I..."

"Page turners, they were not."


Haven't seen it yet, but I'm one of those guys who LOVES spoilers and I'm loving what I'm hearing - and seeing captured video - of The Last Jedi, although I would have loved it if Hayden Christensen had made an appearance as Anakin's Force Ghost. Possibly in Episode IX to redeem Ben Solo?
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I went in thinking that the opening crawl will now be in red as that is the dominant color in the posters and also the movie title has been changed from the traditional yellow.
How wrong, and delightfully so, I was. Glad that Rian didn't meddle with it. It would feel so strange, so unstarwarslike.
A strong spectacular movie that hit the emotions but also have plenty of laugh-worthy moments.
I particularly like the nod to Han Solo's classic shortliner of "I know".
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I'm one of those guys who LOVES spoilers....

Haha, I remember you from my spoilers thread of Rogue One a year ago. When are you going to watch TLJ?
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Hey guys,
It's now 24 hours since I attended the midnight premiere of The Last Jedi and my review of it can be summed up in one word...
BORING...
I am a Star Wars fan (and even won the prize for best -dressed in costume at the premiere!) but I found it way too long, no obvious highlights and just plain boring.
Smoke died? So what...
Luke 'died'? So what...
Leia lives? Curious, I say....
The puffin creatures and 'attendants' at the Jedi temple irritated me: too try hard I reckon.
Most comment amongst my friends and colleagues today revolves around how bad and irritating the actor who plays Kylo Ren has become compared to his performance in The Force Awakens. The other comment I heard was the lack of humour and specifically how much Han Solo's wit was missed in this instalment.
I was severely disappointed by the movie.
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If I had to pick one word to summarise the movie, it's: forgettable. The weird part is, I can not really explain why it is forgettable. I mean, the movie looked great, the acting was decent and a lot of stuff happened, including stuff that clearly should excite any fan of star wars. For instance Snoke and Luke dieing, space battles, fleshed out backgrounds on Rey and Kylo.

I am not sure why it is forgettable really. The best explanation I can give is that they tried to cram in too many storylines. The important ones getting not enough attention, while some storylines could be dropped or truncated (casino, the spaceship pursuit)

There were also three plotholes large enough to fly a deathstar through:
1) Leia surviving the bridge blowing up, followed by her floating in space, and floating back onboard. Yeah, I know the force's limitations are only dictated by the need for plot... but seriously?;
2) There are only 4 rebel capital ships left, each with minimal fuel. Let's try to outrun the First Order and act surpsised when the rebel ships stop dead in space and get blown up one by one.
3) Let's sacrifice the last capital ship and board escape transports to go to the planet. Leia (?) said the transports can't be seen by the first order? Say what? I can see the transports with my eyes, with the first order ships visible in the background? Have the star destroyer's windows been boarded up?

Also, considering all rebels now comfortably fit in the millenium falcon, they are really optimistic for their chances of winning the war.
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petertenthije wrote:
If I had to pick one word to summarise the movie, it's: forgettable. The weird part is, I can not really explain why it is forgettable. I mean, the movie looked great, the acting was decent and a lot of stuff happened, including stuff that clearly should excite any fan of star wars. For instance Snoke and Luke dieing, space battles, fleshed out backgrounds on Rey and Kylo.
.


I haven't seen this one .. yet.
What I noticed in the last one was that it all turned around dilettantes in a set of scavenger cultures.
Even the crashed wrecks of the Empire are bigger than any current structure.

For the Star Wars Timeline this is comparable to the Dark Ages in our history.
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WIederling wrote:
What I noticed in the last one was that it all turned around dilettantes in a set of scavenger cultures.
Even the crashed wrecks of the Empire are bigger than any current structure.

I don’t think that is true. There are definately planets that need some serious catching up, but there are also planets that are highly advanced. And in fairness, that’s in line with real life. Compare Sourh Korea with North Korea
to give one, admittedly extreme, example.

There is plenty of advanced stuff in the sequel trilogy that was not available in the original trilogy. For instance starkiller base and BB-8 in TFA, a new dreadnaught class capital ship as well as variations on the original AT-AT and fighters/bombere in TLJ.
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Imagine being able to cross the universe at multiples of the speed of light and never hit anything for the last 40 years and always landing on a planet that is safetly inhabital for humans.

Yet after all those miraculous abilities never finding a pair of pants for the Wookie. :roll:

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WIederling wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
If I had to pick one word to summarise the movie, it's: forgettable. The weird part is, I can not really explain why it is forgettable. I mean, the movie looked great, the acting was decent and a lot of stuff happened, including stuff that clearly should excite any fan of star wars. For instance Snoke and Luke dieing, space battles, fleshed out backgrounds on Rey and Kylo.
.


I haven't seen this one .. yet.
What I noticed in the last one was that it all turned around dilettantes in a set of scavenger cultures.
Even the crashed wrecks of the Empire are bigger than any current structure.

For the Star Wars Timeline this is comparable to the Dark Ages in our history.
What works is from the past and nobody understands fully how it works. fumbling idiots.


That depends, because the First Order is definitely at the level of, or exceeding, the Empire - the Resurgent class Star Destroyers are twice the size of the Imperial class Star Destroyer, and the Mega class Star Destroyer is three times the size of the Super Star Destroyer.

Think of it more as the Empire/First Order get all the good stuff, best quality stuff etc from manufacturers, while everyone else whose planet isn't independent or doesn't have its own manufacturing base has to "make do" with rebuilds, hand-me-downs etc.
 
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Star Wars does absolutely nothing for me, in any iteration. I watch them once they go to DVD, they're that kind of quality and the comments above are what I would expect. As for any of the prequels/sequels, I always think of that "Kingdom of the Crystal skull" South Park episode where George Lucas and Spielberg.feature doing things to Indiana Jones.
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I watched it last night, and really enjoyed it. Yes, it’s long, but the cinematography was fantastic, as was the scenery.

Did anyone notice the broom moving?
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Just saw this with the family, and although I knew most of this going in, there’s still a lot to mentally process. A few quick thoughts:

o The “Leia Poppins” bit was cringeworthy but it was hard to keep your eyes rolled knowing it’s Carrie Fisher’s last role. She more than makes up for it during the remainder of the movie.

o Since when has the concept of fuel, let alone running out of it, been a plot point in the SW universe?

o Rey makes off with both halves of Anakin’s lightsaber. Does she know how to repair it? Will Yoda show her?

o I think I’d have preferred the CGI Yoda to the puppet from ROTJ; they made that one look much older than was necessary

o All that promise of backstories regarding both Snoke and Rey - gone? Like, forever? Makes TFA seem a bit of a letdown in retrospect

o There had been rumors of Hayden Christensen appearing as Anakin’s Force ghost; I wish they’d done that, or perhaps they will in Episode IX?

o All in all, I did like the movie. And the way they creatively set up a whole new direction without “alternate timelining” it like JJ Abrams did with the Star Trek reboot

o I’ll likely see it once more and will buy it the moment it’s available on iTunes
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EA CO AS wrote:
Just saw this with the family, and although I knew most of this going in, there’s still a lot to mentally process. A few quick thoughts:

o The “Leia Poppins” bit was cringeworthy but it was hard to keep your eyes rolled knowing it’s Carrie Fisher’s last role. She more than makes up for it during the remainder of the movie.

o Since when has the concept of fuel, let alone running out of it, been a plot point in the SW universe?

o Rey makes off with both halves of Anakin’s lightsaber. Does she know how to repair it? Will Yoda show her?

o I think I’d have preferred the CGI Yoda to the puppet from ROTJ; they made that one look much older than was necessary

o All that promise of backstories regarding both Snoke and Rey - gone? Like, forever? Makes TFA seem a bit of a letdown in retrospect

o There had been rumors of Hayden Christensen appearing as Anakin’s Force ghost; I wish they’d done that, or perhaps they will in Episode IX?

o All in all, I did like the movie. And the way they creatively set up a whole new direction without “alternate timelining” it like JJ Abrams did with the Star Trek reboot

o I’ll likely see it once more and will buy it the moment it’s available on iTunes


I can't help but think there is a rule in the 'Lucas World" that ther to be at least one scene for kids, I was seated next to a family with young children (very well behaved btw) the adults in the theater were not impressed with the "Mary Poppins" scene (heard a few comments during it) but the kids loved it.

Fit the story line well, but yes, it's never been an issue before, now suddenly fuel is an issue ????

I liked the Yoda scene, CGI* or puppet made no real difference in this case.

Yes, it was really a rehash of the Emperor/Darth Vader scene, just not as good.

I am sure we will see plenty of "guest" appearances in future episodes.

No need for an alternate time line IMHO, they have a free hand to tell a story.

BestWestern wrote:
Did anyone notice the broom moving?


Yes, very subtle, a nice way to show that there are force aware kids out there.

All in all a good movie, not as good as Rouge One, but certainly a good addition to the series.
 
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As a lifelong Star Wars fan, this is the most disappointed I've felt coming out of a film. Maybe it'll grow on me once I process everything and let it sink in, but my initial reaction is more bad than good. There just seemed to be too many over-the-top scenes that made it less like the Star Wars I'm used too. Its too bad because the trailers made it seem like it was going to be epic. I'm not sure if it was the Disney influence or the new director Rian Johnson, but all the previous movies seemed more measured.

neutrino wrote:
Snoke is dead!!
It was a huge surprise that the big baddie is being bumped off.

neutrino wrote:
Well, it came so much sooner as I was thinking that Snoke will be killed only in the final episode.
Is his death too early?

They did a great job of shaping him as a mysterious figure in The Force Awakens, but the timing and the manner in which he died seemed sort of lame, and we never found out anything about him! I thought he might turn out to be Darth Plagueis (when Palpatine tells the story in Revenge of the Sith the same music plays when Snoke is shown in The Force Awakens).

neutrino wrote:
I went in thinking that the opening crawl will now be in red as that is the dominant color in the posters and also the movie title has been changed from the traditional yellow.

The fact that this movie picks up literally right after the previous one makes the opening crawl somewhat moot. It was mostly filler and recapped what we already knew, expect when they mentioned that the Resistance is evacuating their base due to the First Order's imminent attack.

petertenthije wrote:
Leia surviving the bridge blowing up, followed by her floating in space, and floating back onboard. Yeah, I know the force's limitations are only dictated by the need for plot...but seriously?

Definitely way too ridiculous. As was the ending when Luke uses the force to create a projection of himself. He "fakes" his death only to die immediately afterwards? And from what, exhaustion? There were some good scenes with him and Rye in the first half of the movie, but I still think they could've done better with his story.

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I am sure we will see plenty of "guest" appearances in future episodes.

When Finn went off to the casino I thought we might get a surprise appearance of Lando/Billy Dee Williams! Otherwise this whole side-plot was forgettable.
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I watched it in Hong Kong last night and the audience clapped at the end of the movie.

The Mary Poppins scene was very cheesy. There was a lot of comedy.
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Saw it yesterday and I think it really good with some unexpected things.The casino trip seemed like an unnecessary side track. It was a bit too long but I somehow
think it and the dude the found will have some significant importance in Ep IX. Phasma's part was also a but disappointing, too small/short and
one could question what the point was of bringing her back just to kill her off. I am also really buying the whole "Rey is a nobody/her parents were just junk dealers".
I think Rian Johnson is just trolling us and that we'll find out who Rey's real parents were in Ep IX.

Music was really good as well even though John Williams borrowed some from his previous Star Wars scores. Mainly the force them
as well as "fight with Tie-fighters (Battle of Crait)" were two re-used parts. However The force them is probably one of the best
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I am so disappointed and frankly upset at the Last Jedi.

The whole Disney gang and the new director were given the keys to a magical movie franchise and totally crapped on this episode.

My points (in no order of importance):

Luke is a washed up, tired and unlikeable crank who has done nothing on that planet?

Leia blown out in space and floats back? Terrible!

Snoke dies so easily and we never find out who he was or his origins!

Rey is basically a nobody?? What the....

Finn and his friend and the code breaker and their entire trip to the gambling area wasted over a half an hour and could have been eliminated as it didn’t affect the storyline.

So what exactly DID happen between Luke and Kylo? There’s three explanations! All of them suck.

No real confrontation between Kylo and Luke. All a projection! And then Luke dies with a whimper? What the....

I mean I could go on!

This episode 8 could have done so many things, like have an extensive background into Rey, Snoke, Kylo, explain what Luke was doing, have REAL training of Rey, have more battles than simply a ship running out of fuel, and a final scene where the set up to episode 9 where Luke VS. Snoke or Rey VS. Kylo, etc.

Now what’s the point of episode 9?

Man as I wrote this, I got even more upset.
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When is 9 scheduled for release?
 
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georgiabill wrote:
When is 9 scheduled for release?


December 20th 2019.

@texdravid I think you should wait judging some of those negative points until after episode IX since some of them
might turn out to be something else then what you think. Kylo Ren claimed Rey's parents were nobodies but we don't at this
point and it might turn out to be incorrect. Snoke being killed off is a good thing, not a bad thing. Kylo is just so much
more interesting as a villain then Snoke. Kylo being able to kill Snoke is just a typical case of over confidence/arrogance/underestimation.
I didn't really have an issue with how Luke was portrayed. If you remember Yoda was hiding far far away from the "civilized parts of the galaxy".

Re Fans (=fanboys) negativity doesn't really say much. Fanboys will always be the most negative ones regardless of what the movie is actually like,
It was the same when the LOTR was released in the early 2000s. Fanboys complained about everything since they had zero tolerance for
any deviance whatsoever from the books. It's always a damn if you do, damn if you don't type of scenario with fanboys.
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I’m no fanboy. Don’t read the so called extended universe, you tube clips, etc.

Just a guy who watched all the previous movies and shocked at how bad this one is.
Not only is the story boring and long, it is disjointed and has a weak plot.
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I’m no fanboy. Don’t read the so called extended universe, you tube clips, etc.

Just a guy who watched all the previous movies and shocked at how bad this one is.
Not only is the story boring and long, it is disjointed and has a weak plot.
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Will episode IX be the last episode (i.e. no more trilogies)? Will there be more non-trilogy movies, or is it curtains for SW after IX?

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SmithAir747 wrote:
Will episode IX be the last episode (i.e. no more trilogies)? Will there be more non-trilogy movies, or is it curtains for SW after IX?

SmithAir747


There might be more spin off movies coming after IX and possible also a new trilogy.
There is a Han Solo movie coming in May, then IX in Dec 2019. There is possibly another spin off coming in 2020 as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars#Anthology_films
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o Since when has the concept of fuel, let alone running out of it, been a plot point in the SW universe?

Actually, from Episode IV onward. In the Rebel base on Yavin IV, one of the last things done to the X-Wings and Y-Wings before taking off is the removal of the fuel pump lines by the ground crew. Technically, you assume that, but it makes sense.

In the EU, fuel is explicitly mentioned in various works... but almost exclusively for smaller vessels that can't tote around a reactor.
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I can't help but think there is a rule in the 'Lucas World" that ther to be at least one scene for kids,


Or, in this case, an entire plotline, as Finn and Rose embark on a completely byzantine scheme that used up precious screen time so that we could understand the importance of...freeing animals and inspiring the youth? I loved those characters, and it seemed a real shame to waste them on that. If they need to get on board Snoke's ship, why not just have them...get on board Snoke's ship and not deal with the whole "find a master codebreaker in a casino so that he can help us in getting past the shields" BS? They can still have plenty of action evading the stormtroopers there (and it would give more of an opportunity for Phasma to actually have something to do in this series rather than just show up for three minutes of screen time per movie and be easily defeated each time - what a waste that character was).
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cjg225 wrote:
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o Since when has the concept of fuel, let alone running out of it, been a plot point in the SW universe?

Actually, from Episode IV onward. In the Rebel base on Yavin IV, one of the last things done to the X-Wings and Y-Wings before taking off is the removal of the fuel pump lines by the ground crew.


Or they're coolant lines. Or ground power lines.

But the point remains, fuel is never explicitly called out as anything anyone worries about in the SW universe; the limiting range factor has always been whether or not the ship is equipped with a hyperdrive.

As a fan of both SW and ST franchises, it occurs to me that if Starfleet vessels can operate almost indefinitely based on dilithium-powered warp core reactors, the SW vessels shouldn't be reliant upon a concept as rapidly depleting fuel.
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As a fan of both SW and ST franchises, it occurs to me that if Starfleet vessels can operate almost indefinitely based on dilithium-powered warp core reactors, the SW vessels shouldn't be reliant upon a concept as rapidly depleting fuel.


It was my understanding that most capital ships in Star Wars have reactors powering them as well. One of my many problems with the movie was that it threw out a lot of previously established rules or conventions because it was necessary in order to make the plot work (tracking ships through hyperspace is another one - there's never been an example of the Empire or the Rebellion not being able to track a ship through hyperspace if they wanted to). You can get away with that in a sequel...maybe. By the eighth movie in a franchise (ninth if you count R1), it's too late.
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Why has no one given up this spoiler:

Rose throws the Coeur de Mer into the ocean just moments before she dies. She had it the whole time.
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By the eighth movie in a franchise (ninth if you count R1), it's too late.


Why? You just have to look at our society and see how much it has evolved technically the past 40 years or so. I would have agreed if episode VII and VIII
were just a few years after VI but they are not. New technology 40 years after episode VI is more believable then no technology at all.
It's not more strange then that a present day war movie which would have allot of new fancy technology that wasn't in the movie's prequel set at the end of the Vietnam war.

I agree though that the running out of fuel is a bit strange.
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EA CO AS wrote:
cjg225 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
o Since when has the concept of fuel, let alone running out of it, been a plot point in the SW universe?

Actually, from Episode IV onward. In the Rebel base on Yavin IV, one of the last things done to the X-Wings and Y-Wings before taking off is the removal of the fuel pump lines by the ground crew.


Or they're coolant lines. Or ground power lines.

But the point remains, fuel is never explicitly called out as anything anyone worries about in the SW universe; the limiting range factor has always been whether or not the ship is equipped with a hyperdrive.

As a fan of both SW and ST franchises, it occurs to me that if Starfleet vessels can operate almost indefinitely based on dilithium-powered warp core reactors, the SW vessels shouldn't be reliant upon a concept as rapidly depleting fuel.


But truth be told, the previous movies never excluded the possibility that they were in fact stopping for fuel every once in a while either. I haven't seen the movie yet (I have to work until new year :hissyfit: ), but it could be that they just didn't refuel for several years, and by the time they needed the spaceships, they just didn't have the time to refuel. Without knowing the actual endurance, you can't say if it fits in with the past films or not.

Thinking of it, the recent Star Wars Rebels animated series features an episode at which they have to refuel a ship before it can do the frameshift-warp-jump thing, and the Star Wars Battlefront II campaign features a mission where you have to blow up an Empire refueling station for Star Destroyers. In the latter, it is specifically mentioned that the Empires Star Destroyer fleet is running low on fuel.
 
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I watched this and was wondering... If only the lead star destroyer could track a ship through hyperspace, they why didn't the smaller ships just scatter in different directions? Surely they would have kept on the tail of the obvious flag ship.. And yes I did notice the broom :)

Although to be fair I did get a free set of Star Wars stamps as well as a light saber, a jedi caricature of myself and a free lecture from AMD (where the lead sales guy told everyone that AMD power the Boeing 777 Dreamliner displays... I found him afterwards to put him straight lol)
 
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Boeing 777 Dreamliner. :rotfl:
Next, given a chance, he'll blurt out Corellian Engineering Corporation YT-1300 492727ZED Star Destroyer.
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Or they're coolant lines. Or ground power lines.

But the point remains, fuel is never explicitly called out as anything anyone worries about in the SW universe; the limiting range factor has always been whether or not the ship is equipped with a hyperdrive.

As a fan of both SW and ST franchises, it occurs to me that if Starfleet vessels can operate almost indefinitely based on dilithium-powered warp core reactors, the SW vessels shouldn't be reliant upon a concept as rapidly depleting fuel.

The lines are hollow, so probably not APU lines.

But, yeah, fuel is never really mentioned for anything THAT big.
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Or they're coolant lines. Or ground power lines.

But the point remains, fuel is never explicitly called out as anything anyone worries about in the SW universe; the limiting range factor has always been whether or not the ship is equipped with a hyperdrive.

As a fan of both SW and ST franchises, it occurs to me that if Starfleet vessels can operate almost indefinitely based on dilithium-powered warp core reactors, the SW vessels shouldn't be reliant upon a concept as rapidly depleting fuel.

The lines are hollow, so probably not APU lines.

But, yeah, fuel is never really mentioned for anything THAT big.
i suppose you don’t often hear about nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers refueling either. But their reactor core does have to be replaced every 25 years or do. Usually this is combined with a mayor systems repair and overhaul.
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i suppose you don’t often hear about nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers refueling either. But their reactor core does have to be replaced every 25 years or do. Usually this is combined with a mayor systems repair and overhaul.

Sure, that's a very valid point.

But the portrayal here is overwhelmingly in line with a short-term consumable fuel. All of the vessels ran out of fuel in short order. If we're talking reactor fuel, it'd be some pretty crap luck that all of your vessels are due for fuel rod replacement to the point of going from full steam ahead to dead in space in a matter of minutes.
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I can't help but think there is a rule in the 'Lucas World" that ther to be at least one scene for kids,


Or, in this case, an entire plotline, as Finn and Rose embark on a completely byzantine scheme that used up precious screen time so that we could understand the importance of...freeing animals and inspiring the youth? I loved those characters, and it seemed a real shame to waste them on that. If they need to get on board Snoke's ship, why not just have them...get on board Snoke's ship and not deal with the whole "find a master codebreaker in a casino so that he can help us in getting past the shields" BS? They can still have plenty of action evading the stormtroopers there (and it would give more of an opportunity for Phasma to actually have something to do in this series rather than just show up for three minutes of screen time per movie and be easily defeated each time - what a waste that character was).


Star Wars always has some degree of social commentary in it and this is the point it serves, that arms dealers sell their product to both whom the good guys and the enemy as well as the fine line between the two. Aerospace and arms manufacturers will sell to the US government and countires that the US may get into a conflict with. That is what this scene was pointing out.

It would have been nice to see a Lando cameo in this but I hope he comes back in episode IX especially when we likely will see a young Lando in the Han Solo spinoff and know more about his background.

The entire prequel trilogy did this as well with the whole emergency powers, less oversight of Palpatine right around the time the Patriot Act and warrant-less wiretapping was going on post 9/11. Interesting to think if 9/11 didn't happen would the prequels be written differently.

Please don't start a political discussion based on this I am just pointing out what Star Wars has done in the past and did in this movie as well.
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Just saw this with the family, and although I knew most of this going in, there’s still a lot to mentally process. A few quick thoughts:

o The “Leia Poppins” bit was cringeworthy but it was hard to keep your eyes rolled knowing it’s Carrie Fisher’s last role. She more than makes up for it during the remainder of the movie.

o Since when has the concept of fuel, let alone running out of it, been a plot point in the SW universe?

o Rey makes off with both halves of Anakin’s lightsaber. Does she know how to repair it? Will Yoda show her?

o I think I’d have preferred the CGI Yoda to the puppet from ROTJ; they made that one look much older than was necessary

o All that promise of backstories regarding both Snoke and Rey - gone? Like, forever? Makes TFA seem a bit of a letdown in retrospect

o There had been rumors of Hayden Christensen appearing as Anakin’s Force ghost; I wish they’d done that, or perhaps they will in Episode IX?

o All in all, I did like the movie. And the way they creatively set up a whole new direction without “alternate timelining” it like JJ Abrams did with the Star Trek reboot

o I’ll likely see it once more and will buy it the moment it’s available on iTunes


Going to comment on your bullets the best I can.

- Regarding Leia, I don't know why they didn't have her on the transport to fly it hyperspace into the Star Destroyer instead of Laura Dern's character. Leia needed to be killed off in this even if the scene was done in CGI with a faked voice. Now her death will be off camera or early in IX. Also RIP Admiral Ackbar :frown:

- Fuel is briefly referenced in Empire Strikes Back when Han is trying to get to Bespin, he says it will be tight. Also referenced in Episode one as well.

- Agree on Yoga, I kinda had a suspicion we would see Yoga or Obi-Wan and I am happy they did Yoda. A CGI Alec Guiness would have pissed me off and double that if they used Ewan McGregor.

- There will be more with Rey in episode IX, I think they were going nowhere with Snoke and killed him off, he did nothing for me in either film and it was forced. Kylo Ren I thought was freaking awesome in this especially not having his mask on in it.

- I think Luke will be the Force Ghost in IX, this movie sent the message that it is a new cast and a new direction. Luke as a force ghost is acceptable, leave Anakin out of it.

- I thought Phasma's death was the most interesting with the one eye exposed, I want to see if that has any meaning.

I liked it as well, it was a little long with some unnecessary points but I will see that again maybe in theatres and absolutely when it is on Netflix.
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Phasma was one of the most worthless characters ever. They pumped her up something fierce in the lead in to TFA. They kind of did more before TLJ... and in both films, she's basically useless and has a grand total of like 5 minutes of screen time.

But, I'm sure she'll forever be a fan favorite. They may even find a way to bring her back. She'll be like the marginally less-useless Boba Fett, who was THE most worthless character of all time.
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- Regarding Leia, I don't know why they didn't have her on the transport to fly it hyperspace into the Star Destroyer instead of Laura Dern's character. Leia needed to be killed off in this even if the scene was done in CGI with a faked voice. Now her death will be off camera or early in IX. Also RIP Admiral Ackbar :frown: .


isn´t the more important question: Why did she watch the transports being shot down for minutes, after staying on the cruiser to provide cover for their retreat and only then decides to do something??

The ship should have been turning the moment the last transport was off.

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isn´t the more important question: Why did she watch the transports being shot down for minutes, after staying on the cruiser to provide cover for their retreat and only then decides to do something??

The ship should have been turning the moment the last transport was off.

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I'm still back at the part of, why the hell did she not share her plan with the crew? I mean, what, did she expect there was a traitor on board and that he or she would ring up the First Order to tell them the plan? What was the value of that secrecy? And then when she and whoever else were removed from command by the mutiny (which is exactly what it was), why not say anything then? She relied on an event of chance to get her plan back in action.

Why did the cruiser have to have a person at the controls for that maneuver or even just to fly in a straight line like it was doing in the first place? The cruiser didn't suddenly stop because VADM Holdo left the bridge or when Dameron was stunned. I'm sure they have the ability to program stuff. Hell, the galaxy clearly has drone technology. Should be fairly easy to program a course into a computer and have it executed.
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tommy1808 wrote:
isn´t the more important question: Why did she watch the transports being shot down for minutes, after staying on the cruiser to provide cover for their retreat and only then decides to do something??

The ship should have been turning the moment the last transport was off.

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I'm still back at the part of, why the hell did she not share her plan with the crew? I mean, what, did she expect there was a traitor on board and that he or she would ring up the First Order to tell them the plan? What was the value of that secrecy? And then when she and whoever else were removed from command by the mutiny (which is exactly what it was), why not say anything then? She relied on an event of chance to get her plan back in action.

Why did the cruiser have to have a person at the controls for that maneuver or even just to fly in a straight line like it was doing in the first place? The cruiser didn't suddenly stop because VADM Holdo left the bridge or when Dameron was stunned. I'm sure they have the ability to program stuff. Hell, the galaxy clearly has drone technology. Should be fairly easy to program a course into a computer and have it executed.


It's worse than that.. If they hadn't gone to get the codebreaker...they would have all escaped to the planet with their lives... well Laura Dern would have died.. So Po and pals are responsible for the deaths of loads of their fellow Rebels and ultimately Luke. Nice going guys...and gal.
 
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It seems like a narrative is starting to emerge in response to fans' "apparent" disappointment with the film.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/ ... ontroversy

"Despite a 93 percent “fresh” critics rating on Rotten Tomatoes, The Last Jedi (the latest Star Wars film) has the lowest audience score of any Star Wars movie on Rotten Tomatoes. As of Monday, it’s at 56 percent. (Yes, that’s lower than any of the prequels.) What the hell is going on here?...The problem with using any online voting mechanism to gauge opinions on a movie (or anything, really) is such systems are really easy to game."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmende ... a9f0675658

"I do feel that the Rotten Tomatoes audience polling, which is where much of the chatter emerged, has been gamed by the same kind of trolls who brought down Ghostbusters’ score and downvoted the hell out of its trailers last year."

https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/18/1679 ... eview-bomb

"It’s hard to discern whether reviews of the movie are genuine or, as some outlets have reported, generated by bots or organized attacks from 4chan. One Facebook group, “Down With Disney's Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys,” which aligns itself as a pro-DCEU community, announced on Facebook that it had generated trolls to help review bomb The Last Jedi’s score on Rotten Tomatoes."
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There were elements from Ep. 6- ROTJ, Ep 4 New Hope and Ep 3 Revenge of the Sith - interesting how they were laid out.

Luke's ascension into the force gazing into two suns as shown on Tatooine in A New Hope was very well done - a culmination of a 40 year journey.

Luke facing off against Kylo/Ben - "I have failed you Ben" echoing Kenobi vs Anakin/Vader during their battle on Mustafar - "I have failed you Anakin".

Snoke is deposed rather easily by Kylo Ren/Ben - It took longer for Vader/Anakin watching the Emperor zapping Luke using force lightening to kill off the Emperor in ROTJ.

And Kylo destroys his mask in a fit of anger - Anakin needed Luke to remove his Vader mask - showing Anakin's attachment to dark side was much stronger than Ben Solo's.
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It seems like a narrative is starting to emerge in response to fans' "apparent" disappointment with the film.

*snipped for length*


All that's possible, sure. But, my very unscientific observations on social media tell me that people legitimately did not like this nearly as much as they liked TFA.

Maybe the RottenTomatoes and MetaCritic ratings are too low, but it does seem like this is getting much more flack than Rogue One or TFA did.
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Yes I too liked "The Force Awakens" much better - Last Jedi seemed to "cut and paste" from previous episodes.

Big question for Ep. IX - who are Rey's parents?
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Yes I too liked "The Force Awakens" much better - Last Jedi seemed to "cut and paste" from previous episodes.

Big question for Ep. IX - who are Rey's parents?


The more I reflect on TLJ, the more I like it. Elements from ESB and ROTJ, reversed in some ways, and bringing in the Emperor's leitmotif while Snoke tortures Rey was a nice touch.

The question about her parents, I believe, was answered. They were truly no one (although it still doesn't explain the flashback of her watching a ship fly away), and knowing that the Force doesn't necessarily need a rare bloodline to be harnessed, and that even nobodies can wield it in many cases, opens up all new opportunities for the franchise.
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Yes I too liked "The Force Awakens" much better - Last Jedi seemed to "cut and paste" from previous episodes.

Big question for Ep. IX - who are Rey's parents?


The more I reflect on TLJ, the more I like it. Elements from ESB and ROTJ, reversed in some ways, and bringing in the Emperor's leitmotif while Snoke tortures Rey was a nice touch..


I liked those links back in "history". I think someone on the team really liked BSG, the whole narrative reminds me of the fabulous episode "33".

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[quote="bmacleod"The question about her parents, I believe, was answered. They were truly no one (although it still doesn't explain the flashback
of her watching a ship fly away), and knowing that the Force doesn't necessarily need a rare bloodline to be harnessed, and
that even nobodies can wield it in many cases, opens up all new opportunities for the franchise.


I disagree that Rey's parental story line was answered. Kylo Ren claims that they were nobodies but he could have been lying
or just saying that because Snoke had manipulated him into believing that. IMO, we still don't know who her parents were.
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