anrec80 wrote:I don't think you know what "interfering with an election" is to the rest of us. In 2016, Putin's intelligence apparatus broke into various private E-mail servers and selectively made the contents available to the American public, while at the same time he had people who were actively plying social media sites in the US pretending to be US citizens in most cases, going directly to the American voter in a surreptitious manner. What you are talking about with Biden and Clinton are US politicians lobbying their equals in another government, which is above board and commonly known as "diplomacy" and is done in both directions everywhere.Well, can’t really show exactly 70%, but there certainly are bright examples. Beginning with Russia in 2011 (Mar 2012 election), where Joe Biden said to Putin that he shouldn’t run, Hillary Clinton met all the Russian opposition. Putin ran, won and started to order up legislature (similar to FARA).
anrec80 wrote:Again all this is above board diplomacy. Keep in mind that there was a large faction in the US that wanted to directly interfere with Assad's regime, whether that was wise or not, or self serving or altruistic, is another subject; but in the end the US administration opted not to get directly involved.Screams “Assad must go” (even though it’s not their business), Ghaddafi with “loss of legitimacy”. Last but not least Ukraine in Feb 2014, with Biden’s call to Yanukovich “it’s over”. These are only the examples we know of. There are more I am sure.
In the case of Ghaddafi, we can almost all see from hindsight that the (European driven) intervention was unwise, but IMO Pan Am flight 103 should be given more weight than it has when one looks at why some of the decisions regarding Libya were made. It is easy to underestimate how much ill will was generated towards Gaddafi by his intentional bringing down of that that passenger plane. There were people in high office who were still seething over the Idea that Ghaddafi was being forgiven for that callous act when the "Arab spring" broke out.