People like to forget the fact that there's already ~300 MILLION GUNS floating around US right now.
Future gun control, purchasing limitations, even bans (even bans on certain types!) aren't going to do a single thing.
The bottom line is that you'd have to "round up" and TAKE guns away from people, melt them down, and reduce that 300m number to something manageable where it's actually difficult for someone to get their hands on a firearm.
All of what I just said in the above paragraph is completely impossible and will NEVER happen, there would be riots (and mass shootings) - everyone would lose their minds.
320 million people, ~300 million guns. All you need is ONE of each to get one of your shooting events, massacres, etc.
I hate to sound so pessimistic, but yes - it is impossible to stop, we passed the point of no return decades ago, probably a century ago. Sure - basic gun control laws make sense (I mean you can't just be giving away ARs to crazy people) but sadly if said crazy person wants a gun, they probably already have one or know where to grab one.
People really need to be more vigilant about mental health, disorders, signals, signs, etc.. especially those in a position to make an impact (teachers, professors, parents, hospitals, doctors, etc) there should be a system in place to tag at-risk individuals and get them checked out, helped out, etc.
Beyond that - sure, fight fire with fire. I think teachers should be armed, maybe some in public transit positions, etc. Luckily transit systems typically have civilians with concealed permits all over the place these days already, but taking these people out before they have a chance to go on a prolonged rampage is definitely helpful.
I don't know - the numbers just seem blatantly obvious to me, what am I missing? Ban every gun sale in America right this second, what's your plan for the nearly 1:1 gun-to-citizen ratio that already exists? Sure propose restrictions on future sales, I don't see that as a 2nd amendment issue, but there's no way you can take what's already out there without some major problems - and would be blatantly unconstitutional as well.
So your argument is that we shouldn't try to reduce the number of guns because there's so many guns? That's some inventive logic. And your thinly veiled threats of civil insurrection are laughable.
There is no need to "round up" and TAKE guns away from people
" there are plenty of ways to apply pressure to remove the completely unnecessary automatic and semi automatic military weapons from the country. If the manufacturers of pistols are made responsible for the casualties they inflict, that problem will also dwindle to an eventual irrelevancy. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Your logic would lead us to legalize burglary because there are so many burglars already out there. Your constitutional argument will soon fall by the wayside.
Nope - my argument is simply that everything you're proposing to do is entirely pointless. You don't need to freak out at me because "I'm not trying hard enough" or "well, it has to start somewhere"
solution at me and I'll ALWAYS be able to tell you "okay so what, there's 300 million guns floating around still - you wanted to stop that one guy who shot up a school, he just needed one of them." That's a fact. I'm not even taking a position here, just trying to remind you - since you seem to feel that you've got some easy solution to fix all these problems. The bottom line is that whatever anyone is proposing, it's gotta involve addressing the immense number of guns which already
exist - and the point in my previous post was that I feel such actions would be unconstitutional. I never said if I thought that was right or wrong
, just (again) stating the fact that you're seeing massive backlash and 2nd amendment rights discussions about something as stupid as banning the sales of ARs, how the hell do you think you're ever going to pass a law allowing the government to ROUND UP existing
, legally-purchased firearms?
Also your burglary analogy is pathetic, seriously? It has nothing to do with the number of guns floating around. Cute trying to relate my position to somehow justifying an illegal act such as burglary? I actually think we are on the same page about a few things, I'm just playing devils advocate here and don't see how much of what you say will a) ever happen, and b) what it'll accomplish anyways. I'm fully acknowledging there's a problem, however.
You know full well that if every gun was taken off the shelf (as well as all illegal gun sales) at this very moment, that mass shootings would still occur. If anything, criminals would immediately come out of the woodwork and start snatching up guns. That's NO situation we'd ever want to find ourselves in.
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