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sevenair wrote:The TV licence fee, which largely pays for BBC services is to rise once again to over £150. I personally think I'll not be renewing my licence. I don't have a TV aerial. I watch Netflix and NowTV and rarely use the iPlayer.
sevenair wrote:I don't see why I should pay for some service that only represents a narrow mind set. Over half of the votership voted Brexit by a margin measured in millions and more people voted Tory in GE17 than in Labour's last landslide win. If more people voted Tory and more people voted Brexit then surely their opinions have a right to be freely expressed by this so called 'impartial' broadcaster?
sevenair wrote:News has a hard left slant and is very pro Labour and anti Tory and generally anti British. Their flagship shows are carefully engineered so that pro Brexit guests are outnumbered 4-1 and far left extremists from Momentum are allowed to influence shows by appearing to be randomly selected guests.
sevenair wrote:Not to mention the disgraceful dispartities when it comes to the gender pay gap. I'm of the opinion the the gender pay gap is usually a myth and can be easily explained but not in the case of the BBC.
Bongodog1964 wrote:The BBC has tended for many years to recruit from a small section of the population, jobs would only be advertised in the society section of the Guardian, this being the newspaper of the educated left.
Reinhardt wrote:I think it's pretty laughable to call the BBC "Hard Left". Very few if any programs and newspapers in the UK are anywhere near approaching hard left by most standards. Only right wing people think that, and they have the glorious nonsense that the Daily Fail, Sun, Express and the Telegraph (disappointingly more day by day) spout out.sevenair wrote:The TV licence fee, which largely pays for BBC services is to rise once again to over £150. I personally think I'll not be renewing my licence. I don't have a TV aerial. I watch Netflix and NowTV and rarely use the iPlayer.
It's a lot I agree, and considering modern availability of content online it's probably too much for a lot of people. Still the quality of general news production and nature programs is unrivalled worldwide.sevenair wrote:I don't see why I should pay for some service that only represents a narrow mind set. Over half of the votership voted Brexit by a margin measured in millions and more people voted Tory in GE17 than in Labour's last landslide win. If more people voted Tory and more people voted Brexit then surely their opinions have a right to be freely expressed by this so called 'impartial' broadcaster?
I generally find that plenty of people from both left and right have gripes with the BBC. On that basis I think it's probably fairly balanced. I've not seen anyone who voted for Brexit or voted Tory have their opinions stopped from being broadcast on the BBC. Journalists maybe give brexiteers more of a hard time, but that's deserved because of ridiculous situation the UK is now in because of them. The amount of lies and nonsense spouted by cabinet members on the BBC on a weekly basis that goes completely unchallenged is mind boggling, so I have a gripe with the BBC for that.sevenair wrote:News has a hard left slant and is very pro Labour and anti Tory and generally anti British. Their flagship shows are carefully engineered so that pro Brexit guests are outnumbered 4-1 and far left extremists from Momentum are allowed to influence shows by appearing to be randomly selected guests.
Really? Then I guess you don't watch Question Time that often. Nigel Farage received massive exposure from being the program after being on it 32 times (joint 2nd highest) despite the party he used to lead having something like 2-3% of the vote at elections. Farage could easily be described as an extremist, the party certainly has it's fair share of extremist members.
Anti British is nonsense and a typical phrase that I am hearing being used more and more. Especially when the only qualifying criteria seems to be when people didn't vote for Brexit,strongly dislike what the Tories are doing right now and utterly condemn papers labelling Judges as "Enemy's of the people" and perfectly decent MP's as "Traitors". The language is dangerous and has no place in a civilised democracy like the UK used to be.sevenair wrote:Not to mention the disgraceful dispartities when it comes to the gender pay gap. I'm of the opinion the the gender pay gap is usually a myth and can be easily explained but not in the case of the BBC.
Agreed there. It's unacceptable as long as you compare like for like jobs, experience, working hours etc.
ltbewr wrote:Sure you pay a 'license tax' but it means no commercials interrupting good programs.
sevenair wrote:ltbewr wrote:Sure you pay a 'license tax' but it means no commercials interrupting good programs.
I choose to use other pay TV services and I don’t have to watch adverts and I’m not continually subjected to one view point and I’m not insulted by them neither.
sevenair wrote:Over half of the votership voted Brexit by a margin measured in millions and more people voted Tory in GE17 than in Labour's last landslide win. If more people voted Tory and more people voted Brexit then surely their opinions have a right to be freely expressed by this so called 'impartial' broadcaster?
tommy1808 wrote:Bongodog1964 wrote:The BBC has tended for many years to recruit from a small section of the population, jobs would only be advertised in the society section of the Guardian, this being the newspaper of the educated left.
People interested in working for TV know where to find the adds, and focusing on one newspaper safes money. Some rotating would probably been good, but I assume from your wording the practice has been abandoned?
Judging by the program and it's balance, it either didn't lead to staff bias, or the people they did hire happen to go about their work in a very professional manner.
Best regards
Thomas
c933103 wrote:How does the tv tax work in UK? There are nothing comparable in where I live, while I have heard that Japan have a law that require citizens pay a fixed amount to NHK every months and they would send people all around Japan to collect money or urge people to setup an autopay account for every household that have installed a TV set, but citizens in Japan can deny such payment without any consequences other than they could be rejected from participating in NHK shows. How is it like in the UK?
jetero wrote:sevenair wrote:Over half of the votership voted Brexit by a margin measured in millions and more people voted Tory in GE17 than in Labour's last landslide win. If more people voted Tory and more people voted Brexit then surely their opinions have a right to be freely expressed by this so called 'impartial' broadcaster?
I think we should vote on everything. If 50% plus 1 is in favor of something on one day, well then let's then consider the issue settled for the sake of posterity and never up for debate ever, ever again.
Dano1977 wrote:I've heard some from the right call the BBC leftist
I've heard some from the left call out the BBC for being to much to the right
IF neither can agree... The BBC must be doing something right!
bananaboy wrote:Dano1977 wrote:I've heard some from the right call the BBC leftist
I've heard some from the left call out the BBC for being to much to the right
IF neither can agree... The BBC must be doing something right!
This. 100% this. The BBC is one of the few media outlets I can think of that is accused of bias from both sides of the political spectrum. I've never heard of anyone suggesting the Mail is pro-left or The Guardian pro-right. If they're managing to p*ss off people on both sides, I think they're probably doing an OK job.
I do wonder about the future of the BBC and the licence fee. I really value the quality of what they produce, in particular the news, a seemingly-endless website, some great original programming and decent radio. I value it even more having lived overseas and being fed endless crap reality shows about people dating farmers or fly-on-the-wall shows about parking wardens. Shoot me now.
With more and more streaming services coming every day and traditional viewing habits changing, I think ultimately the days of the licence fee are numbered and the BBC will have to become a fully-commercial organisation.
For me, for the cost of a cinema ticket per month, the licence fee still represents great value.
Mark
sevenair wrote:Express I know, but here's an interesting quote:
"The analysis seen by the Daily Express shows that BBC Question Time had 85 Remainers on its panel between January and July 2017 compared to just 36 Brexit supporters, even though leaving the EU has dominated most of the discussions.
From the 24 shows only one had a majority of Leave supporters and 22 had a majority of Remainers.
Two shows did not feature any Brexit supporters at all and had five Remainers.
The analysis is the basis of a complaint to the watchdog Ofcom and has highlighted growing concerns over BBC bias with analysis of the Today programme earlier this year revealing that Remainers are more often invited to give their views"
Additionally a complaint was made to Ofcom by a viewer who found that 22 out of 25 shows had a majority remain panel. This was overturned by Ofcom because Dimbelby can magically make the show impartial despite the pre being 4 remoaners to one leaver and also Damien Green (who doesn't support Brexit) was allowed in one instance to put a pro Brexit message across. Out of the 25 shows complained about, they watched only two, one of which was in the aftermath of Manchester. Even Dimbelby himself has admitted to being shocked when every audience member he asked for comment appeared to be pro remain.
flipdewaf wrote:sevenair wrote:Express I know, but here's an interesting quote:
"The analysis seen by the Daily Express shows that BBC Question Time had 85 Remainers on its panel between January and July 2017 compared to just 36 Brexit supporters, even though leaving the EU has dominated most of the discussions.
From the 24 shows only one had a majority of Leave supporters and 22 had a majority of Remainers.
Two shows did not feature any Brexit supporters at all and had five Remainers.
The analysis is the basis of a complaint to the watchdog Ofcom and has highlighted growing concerns over BBC bias with analysis of the Today programme earlier this year revealing that Remainers are more often invited to give their views"
Additionally a complaint was made to Ofcom by a viewer who found that 22 out of 25 shows had a majority remain panel. This was overturned by Ofcom because Dimbelby can magically make the show impartial despite the pre being 4 remoaners to one leaver and also Damien Green (who doesn't support Brexit) was allowed in one instance to put a pro Brexit message across. Out of the 25 shows complained about, they watched only two, one of which was in the aftermath of Manchester. Even Dimbelby himself has admitted to being shocked when every audience member he asked for comment appeared to be pro remain.
The BBC need to find experts to go on their panels for these programs from both industry and politics. It turns out that to be an expert in these areas generally requires a good level of education and understanding, and hence the reason for less Brexit supporters on these programs.
You know it might be funny to see some standard brexit supporters on the panel and see them not understanding that muslims aren't from the EU.
You know I think you night be right!
Fred
sevenair wrote:flipdewaf wrote:sevenair wrote:Express I know, but here's an interesting quote:
"The analysis seen by the Daily Express shows that BBC Question Time had 85 Remainers on its panel between January and July 2017 compared to just 36 Brexit supporters, even though leaving the EU has dominated most of the discussions.
From the 24 shows only one had a majority of Leave supporters and 22 had a majority of Remainers.
Two shows did not feature any Brexit supporters at all and had five Remainers.
The analysis is the basis of a complaint to the watchdog Ofcom and has highlighted growing concerns over BBC bias with analysis of the Today programme earlier this year revealing that Remainers are more often invited to give their views"
Additionally a complaint was made to Ofcom by a viewer who found that 22 out of 25 shows had a majority remain panel. This was overturned by Ofcom because Dimbelby can magically make the show impartial despite the pre being 4 remoaners to one leaver and also Damien Green (who doesn't support Brexit) was allowed in one instance to put a pro Brexit message across. Out of the 25 shows complained about, they watched only two, one of which was in the aftermath of Manchester. Even Dimbelby himself has admitted to being shocked when every audience member he asked for comment appeared to be pro remain.
The BBC need to find experts to go on their panels for these programs from both industry and politics. It turns out that to be an expert in these areas generally requires a good level of education and understanding, and hence the reason for less Brexit supporters on these programs.
You know it might be funny to see some standard brexit supporters on the panel and see them not understanding that muslims aren't from the EU.
You know I think you night be right!
Fred
Yawn.
Olddog wrote:When your main source is the Express........
flipdewaf wrote:sevenair wrote:flipdewaf wrote:The BBC need to find experts to go on their panels for these programs from both industry and politics. It turns out that to be an expert in these areas generally requires a good level of education and understanding, and hence the reason for less Brexit supporters on these programs.
You know it might be funny to see some standard brexit supporters on the panel and see them not understanding that muslims aren't from the EU.
You know I think you night be right!
Fred
Yawn.
You might be bored of facts but then we knew that of brexiteers already didn't we...
vc10 wrote:I gave up watching "Question Time" a long time ago , long before the Brexit vote as the panelist were nearly all political figures who just spouted out their party line on whatever subject came up.
Although I think the BBC's programs have gone downhill over the years I still believe they are good value for money compared to other providers such as Sky or BT where you can end up paying may hundreds of pounds to watch their product. For your TV licence you get 2 national channels , local channels,
Radio channels , World service etc . At one time I can remember that if you had a fitted radio in your car you had to pay another separate radio licence, so that is why most people had no car radio or perhaps a portable set [ no licence]
sevenair wrote:News has a hard left slant
RoySFlying wrote:sevenair wrote:News has a hard left slant
Oh, I know what you mean, luvvie. It really went to the dogs when they renamed themselves the Bolshevik Broadcasting Commissariat, and newsreaders began the news with "Good evening, comrades." Saint Margaret of Finchley must be turning in her grave after all she did to liberate Britain from those dastardly Soviets.
sevenair wrote:flipdewaf wrote:sevenair wrote:
Yawn.
You might be bored of facts but then we knew that of brexiteers already didn't we...
The one and only fact you need to be concerned about is that we are leaving the EU!
Boom
sevenair wrote:Keep going!!! If you are lucky you might get your own show in the old Bernard Manning slot!I'd say there's absolutely a commie slant on our state media. Get rid of it.
sevenair wrote:I'd say there's absolutely a commie slant on our state media. Get rid of it.
flipdewaf wrote:sevenair wrote:flipdewaf wrote:
You might be bored of facts but then we knew that of brexiteers already didn't we...
The one and only fact you need to be concerned about is that we are leaving the EU!
Boom
I am aware that we are leaving the EU, I don't live under a rock. The issue is your lack of understanding on why there is more remainers on the BBC. Its like trying to find scientists that back up each side of the Climate change debate when the overwhelming majority of those in the know are on one side. The same with brexit debates. If you want people who understand it then they all fall on one side of the debate, if you want people who are pro brexit then there are very few who are not ignorant to the facts who are also pro brexit,
Unfortunately there is a good chance that for those demographics with the higher propensity to vote leave will be most adversely affected by it. Well educated professionals are by and large going to have a reduced negative impact in comparison.
Fred
flipdewaf wrote:sevenair wrote:Keep going!!! If you are lucky you might get your own show in the old Bernard Manning slot!I'd say there's absolutely a commie slant on our state media. Get rid of it.
sevenair wrote:If 50% +1 vote a particular way then I’d expect a fairly balanced view just as I’d expect if some vote result was 52/48 in favour of something however the BBC ignore the 52 and appease the 48.
flipdewaf wrote:Its like trying to find scientists that back up each side of the Climate change debate when the overwhelming majority of those in the know are on one side. The same with brexit debates. If you want people who understand it then they all fall on one side of the debate, if you want people who are pro brexit then there are very few who are not ignorant to the facts who are also pro brexit,
sevenair wrote:flipdewaf wrote:sevenair wrote:Keep going!!! If you are lucky you might get your own show in the old Bernard Manning slot!I'd say there's absolutely a commie slant on our state media. Get rid of it.
399 days to go! I've got my red, white and blue bunting ready for Independence Day.
VSMUT wrote:sevenair wrote:If 50% +1 vote a particular way then I’d expect a fairly balanced view just as I’d expect if some vote result was 52/48 in favour of something however the BBC ignore the 52 and appease the 48.
So what you are saying is...
If 50%+1 vote for blowing a hole in the bottom of the ship to sink it, the BBC should present the news of the sinking ship as something good? Have you considered that sinking your own ship might not be a good thing, and that you can't possibly report anything good on it?
VSMUT wrote:It's like a religion, people think facts can be voted on whether they are true or not. You know in a recent inmate survey 3 out of 4 people thought gang rape wasn't a problemsevenair wrote:If 50% +1 vote a particular way then I’d expect a fairly balanced view just as I’d expect if some vote result was 52/48 in favour of something however the BBC ignore the 52 and appease the 48.
So what you are saying is...
If 50%+1 vote for blowing a hole in the bottom of the ship to sink it, the BBC should present the news of the sinking ship as something good? Have you considered that sinking your own ship might not be a good thing, and that you can't possibly report anything good on it?
sevenair wrote:And then what...399 days to go! I've got my red, white and blue bunting ready for Independence Day.
flipdewaf wrote:And then what...
sevenair wrote:The TV licence fee, which largely pays for BBC services is to rise once again to over £150. I personally think I'll not be renewing my licence. I don't have a TV aerial. I watch Netflix and NowTV and rarely use the iPlayer.
I don't see why I should pay for some service that only represents a narrow mind set. Over half of the votership voted Brexit by a margin measured in millions and more people voted Tory in GE17 than in Labour's last landslide win. If more people voted Tory and more people voted Brexit then surely their opinions have a right to be freely expressed by this so called 'impartial' broadcaster?
News has a hard left slant and is very pro Labour and anti Tory and generally anti British. Their flagship shows are carefully engineered so that pro Brexit guests are outnumbered 4-1 and far left extremists from Momentum are allowed to influence shows by appearing to be randomly selected guests.
Not to mention the disgraceful dispartities when it comes to the gender pay gap. I'm of the opinion the the gender pay gap is usually a myth and can be easily explained but not in the case of the BBC.
It's time to end the TV tax. Those who use the BBC and have their views represented by the BBC should pay for the BBC.
https://news.sky.com/story/tv-licence-fee-to-rise-for-second-year-running-11262023
sevenair wrote:I'd say there's absolutely a commie slant on our state media. Get rid of it.
sevenair wrote:What qualifies you to make this assumption and what qualifies the BBC to also make this assumption and what gives them the right to ignore the fact that by an 8% margin (one measured in the millions) and ignore their views despite the fact that they're meant to be impartial?
cpd wrote:sevenair wrote:The TV licence fee, which largely pays for BBC services is to rise once again to over £150. I personally think I'll not be renewing my licence. I don't have a TV aerial. I watch Netflix and NowTV and rarely use the iPlayer.
I don't see why I should pay for some service that only represents a narrow mind set. Over half of the votership voted Brexit by a margin measured in millions and more people voted Tory in GE17 than in Labour's last landslide win. If more people voted Tory and more people voted Brexit then surely their opinions have a right to be freely expressed by this so called 'impartial' broadcaster?
News has a hard left slant and is very pro Labour and anti Tory and generally anti British. Their flagship shows are carefully engineered so that pro Brexit guests are outnumbered 4-1 and far left extremists from Momentum are allowed to influence shows by appearing to be randomly selected guests.
Not to mention the disgraceful dispartities when it comes to the gender pay gap. I'm of the opinion the the gender pay gap is usually a myth and can be easily explained but not in the case of the BBC.
It's time to end the TV tax. Those who use the BBC and have their views represented by the BBC should pay for the BBC.
https://news.sky.com/story/tv-licence-fee-to-rise-for-second-year-running-11262023
If you really reckon BBC is hard left, you don't know what hard left is. Hard right on the other hand would be Sky and Murdoch's other outlets.
The hard left and hard right (I'm guessing you are the far right) as so far out of touch with reality it isn't funny. They live in their own alternate worlds with highly distorted views of the world that are so far removed from the realities that the rest of us in the normal middle ground face daily, it's just laughable. I'm sick of both of the far left and far right.sevenair wrote:I'd say there's absolutely a commie slant on our state media. Get rid of it.
I rest my case at this point - I needn't say anything further.
VSMUT wrote:sevenair wrote:What qualifies you to make this assumption and what qualifies the BBC to also make this assumption and what gives them the right to ignore the fact that by an 8% margin (one measured in the millions) and ignore their views despite the fact that they're meant to be impartial?
Because the bloody thing is sinking, and that is an observation and not an assumption?
sevenair wrote:VSMUT wrote:sevenair wrote:What qualifies you to make this assumption and what qualifies the BBC to also make this assumption and what gives them the right to ignore the fact that by an 8% margin (one measured in the millions) and ignore their views despite the fact that they're meant to be impartial?
Because the bloody thing is sinking, and that is an observation and not an assumption?
In what way is it sinking?
sevenair wrote:cpd wrote:sevenair wrote:The TV licence fee, which largely pays for BBC services is to rise once again to over £150. I personally think I'll not be renewing my licence. I don't have a TV aerial. I watch Netflix and NowTV and rarely use the iPlayer.
I don't see why I should pay for some service that only represents a narrow mind set. Over half of the votership voted Brexit by a margin measured in millions and more people voted Tory in GE17 than in Labour's last landslide win. If more people voted Tory and more people voted Brexit then surely their opinions have a right to be freely expressed by this so called 'impartial' broadcaster?
News has a hard left slant and is very pro Labour and anti Tory and generally anti British. Their flagship shows are carefully engineered so that pro Brexit guests are outnumbered 4-1 and far left extremists from Momentum are allowed to influence shows by appearing to be randomly selected guests.
Not to mention the disgraceful dispartities when it comes to the gender pay gap. I'm of the opinion the the gender pay gap is usually a myth and can be easily explained but not in the case of the BBC.
It's time to end the TV tax. Those who use the BBC and have their views represented by the BBC should pay for the BBC.
https://news.sky.com/story/tv-licence-fee-to-rise-for-second-year-running-11262023
If you really reckon BBC is hard left, you don't know what hard left is. Hard right on the other hand would be Sky and Murdoch's other outlets.
The hard left and hard right (I'm guessing you are the far right) as so far out of touch with reality it isn't funny. They live in their own alternate worlds with highly distorted views of the world that are so far removed from the realities that the rest of us in the normal middle ground face daily, it's just laughable. I'm sick of both of the far left and far right.sevenair wrote:I'd say there's absolutely a commie slant on our state media. Get rid of it.
I rest my case at this point - I needn't say anything further.
Well, I'm right of Michael Moore therefore of course I'm far right, in the eyes of a.net!
Sky News is hard remain. But that's a commercial channel which I can choose to watch or not. What is it you lefties say about 'it's a private company and can do what it wants'?
The BBC is means to be impartial. Everyone pays for it yet less than half of people get their views catered for.
You and I know full well if the BBC did side with the majority and was pro Brexit, the left would be in an absolute uproar.
sevenair wrote:Indeed it would and the BBC's job is to be impartial not to regurgitate the views of the nation.The BBC is means to be impartial. Everyone pays for it yet less than half of people get their views catered for.
You and I know full well if the BBC did side with the majority and was pro Brexit, the left would be in an absolute uproar.