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Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun. No limitations on gun rights!!!
 
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Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun. No limitations on gun rights!!!

Stop trolling, will you?
 
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Jete, that picture is so crass... I'd prefer you just post this one:

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jetero wrote:
Image


Jete, that picture is so crass... I'd prefer you just post this one:

The Charlton Heston Gun Room

Image


Is this like Cribs?

RuPaul's Drag Race Dressing Room

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Scorpio wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun. No limitations on gun rights!!!

Stop trolling, will you?

It is a fact. The 2. Amendment was made to give the citizens of America the capability to defend America. Later it was widened to include the capability of the individual citizen to defend himself from violent crime. In the end the government trusted its citizens to have guns, even though the citizens could use the guns to overthrow the government. In Europe the governments did not trust their citizens and so strict gun laws were put in place, while the government took over the protection of the citizens from foes.
 
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It is a fact. The 2. Amendment was made to give the citizens of America the capability to defend America. Later it was widened to include the capability of the individual citizen to defend himself from violent crime.


I'm sorry, what? When did this "expansion" occur?

I know it doesn't matter. If the "expansion" did not occur, you'll just shoot us if we disagree.
 
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These companies are all cutting ties with the NRA for publicity reasons, and while it makes for good publicity it is not going to have much of an impact on the NRA overall. I have a mixed opinion of the NRA. Their members carry guns, and believe that if any of the gun laws proposed by Democrats are passed into law, Pandora's box will be opened and they wont stop there, but will keep going. It is this fear that tends to create the financial ties with politicians in both Parties. I have lived in very Blue MA in my life, as well as Purple WI, and very Red TX. I can tell you as someone who grew up as a city guy in Boston, why people would be allowed to carry guns or want to carry guns was something that I didn't understand at all. But now that I see how other parts of the country live, it makes a lot more sense and it is something that is just hard to fathom if you are in a Blue coastal area or even overseas. Hunting is a big deal in WI and TX, and gun control just wont fly there.

The NRA does some good things, like offer gun safety classes, and ensure that people get proper firearms training in order that those people who are armed do so safely. However, they continue to ignore all these mass shootings, and instead of offering to help with solutions to these problems, they are always AWOL from these debates. Sadly, these people wont be happy until the US is turned into the Wild West. And their solution is just to arm more people. I dont like this idea. For one thing, I refuse to carry a firearm because I dont trust myself enough that I wouldnt go crazy sometime. Secondly, it makes it easier for bad guys to get weapons, and I havent heard how you prevent this from happening.

Lastly, blaming the NRA for all the mass shootings is wrong too. Based on laws that have been proposed, I cant see how any of the proposed laws, if they were on the books, would have stopped any of the mass shootings we have seen. They seem to be laws that are similar to many laws congress passes that look and sound good, but really do nothing to solve the problems that they were trying to. Two noteable examples being the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and Obamacare.
 
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apodino wrote:
These companies are all cutting ties with the NRA for publicity reasons, and while it makes for good publicity it is not going to have much of an impact on the NRA overall. I have a mixed opinion of the NRA. Their members carry guns, and believe that if any of the gun laws proposed by Democrats are passed into law, Pandora's box will be opened and they wont stop there, but will keep going. It is this fear that tends to create the financial ties with politicians in both Parties. I have lived in very Blue MA in my life, as well as Purple WI, and very Red TX. I can tell you as someone who grew up as a city guy in Boston, why people would be allowed to carry guns or want to carry guns was something that I didn't understand at all. But now that I see how other parts of the country live, it makes a lot more sense and it is something that is just hard to fathom if you are in a Blue coastal area or even overseas. Hunting is a big deal in WI and TX, and gun control just wont fly there.


We are not talking about hunting rifles or target practice with clay pigeons. The issue is rapid fire, high power weapons. The kind generally used in the military or law enforcement.

[/quote]The NRA does some good things, like offer gun safety classes, and ensure that people get proper firearms training in order that those people who are armed do so safely. However, they continue to ignore all these mass shootings, and instead of offering to help with solutions to these problems, they are always AWOL from these debates. Sadly, these people wont be happy until the US is turned into the Wild West. And their solution is just to arm more people. I dont like this idea. For one thing, I refuse to carry a firearm because I dont trust myself enough that I wouldnt go crazy sometime. Secondly, it makes it easier for bad guys to get weapons, and I havent heard how you prevent this from happening.[/quote]

The terrorist organization NRA starts saying "don't politicize this" and "this is not the time to talk about gun control" when a mass shooting happens. Yes, on the books, the terrorist organization NRA looks good. However, when they speak, they don't do much of anything other than offer thoughts and prayers and demand no one take any guns.

Lastly, blaming the NRA for all the mass shootings is wrong too. Based on laws that have been proposed, I cant see how any of the proposed laws, if they were on the books, would have stopped any of the mass shootings we have seen. They seem to be laws that are similar to many laws congress passes that look and sound good, but really do nothing to solve the problems that they were trying to. Two noteable examples being the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and Obamacare.


Part of blaming comes from not being able to do anything because the last four words of the Second Amendment are so precious to some of the loudest people. When someone loses a loved one in such a violent way, they do not want thoughts and prayers and they do not want mansplaining about the last four words of the Second Amendment. They are in pain and do not want others to go through that.
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Part of blaming comes from not being able to do anything because the last four words of the Second Amendment are so precious to some of the loudest people.


Loud people who threaten to throw the country into a Civil War or kill you if you disagree with them.
 
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We are not talking about hunting rifles or target practice with clay pigeons. The issue is rapid fire, high power weapons. The kind generally used in the military or law enforcement.


So I have a semi automatic rifle that doesn't look like an AR-15 that shoots the same ammo, is my weapon legal?



seb146 wrote:
The terrorist organization NRA starts saying "don't politicize this" and "this is not the time to talk about gun control" when a mass shooting happens. Yes, on the books, the terrorist organization NRA looks good. However, when they speak, they don't do much of anything other than offer thoughts and prayers and demand no one take any guns.


Really? You are calling the NRA a terrorist organization? Again why we never get any gun reform even to the floor for a vote, because the base of the democratic party views any person who wants a gun a terrorist and wants to take all guns away. The fringe in this country is what has been dividing us and it's both parties. Stop making up toxic propaganda and fear mongering already.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:22 pm

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Really? You are calling the NRA a terrorist organization? Again why we never get any gun reform even to the floor for a vote, because the base of the democratic party views any person who wants a gun a terrorist and wants to take all guns away. The fringe in this country is what has been dividing us and it's both parties. Stop making up toxic propaganda and fear mongering already.


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Oh Nikky Nikky Nikky.

"Toxic propaganda"?

"Fear mongering"?

NRA spox: 'Many in legacy media love mass shootings': https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics ... index.html

NRA chief accuses Democrats of pushing 'socialist' agenda in wake of Florida shooting: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/politics ... index.html

Speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference, an annual gathering of conservatives outside Washington, LaPierre warned Democrats would use the tragedy to push an agenda that went beyond gun control. "What they want is more restrictions on the law-abiding," LaPierre said. "They want to sweep right under the carpet the failure of school security."

Staring out into the audience, LaPierre told them "you should be anxious and you should be frightened" about the potential of another Democratic takeover of the House, Senate and White House.

"If they seize power ... our American freedoms could be lost and our country will be changed forever," he said. "The first to go will be the Second Amendment."


The head of the NRA is a certifiable Looney Tune Anarchist Instigator.
 
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An unconfirmed report:

A while back I was searching for someone who could build a modified version of the shuttle valve for the Chrysler B-727 automatic transmission.

I was modifying the valves myself and not being a machinist was having a great deal of trouble doing so.

I found a guy in North Broward who was able to do the work at a fair price, and over the years we developed a decent relationship, I did a lot work for him and he did the same for me.

One afternoon at his shop we where out back shooting chit and he came out of the shop and handed me a what looked like a MAC-11 with a suppressor attached.

It wasn't an actual MAC-11, but a knockoff he built.

He loaded a 20 round mag with .380's, locked the bolt back handed it to me, I wrapped the suppressor with a few shop rags held the suppressor down with my left hand and with the gun below my shoulder and at my side I pulled the trigger and burned through 20 rounds in just over a second and the guns was so well suppressed I could hear the spent brass hitting the ground.

I was impressed, unwrapped the suppressor set it aside and in the ensuing conversation I was informed if I wanted to buy one the price was $1200 cash, no questions asked or background check needed, without the suppressor $900, same deal.

And no manufactures roll marks, serial number or traceability.

A while later he was arrested by BATF and according to the press release they estimated by supplies purchased, he had manufactured and sold over 200 of them, prior to the raid.

That's one man, working in one shop, selling full auto suppressed, with no questions asked, cash talks.

Had the Parkland shooter connected with this guy and I am sure there many more of them out there, he could have had a full auto firearm about 19" in length, very suppressed and with a backpack of 20 round mags, the death toll in Parkland would have been ten times as much as it was, within the same amount of time.

And no one would know he bought the gun, because the only paperwork required, would have been the cash he handed over to the seller.

So yes go ahead and ban semi-automatic firearms and high cap mags, and all that will happen is the law abiding will comply, and nut-jobs like the shooter in Parkland, will find an alternate source and will still be able to buy an even more powerful firearm, for only a little bit more money.

Which by the way as it is for all mass shooters, money or price of the firearm has never been a problem, someone's funding them, either family, a job, or as trust babies like the Vegas shooter.

All banning guns any type of gun does, is effect the law abiding, no one else.

Banning is an ignore reality, simplistic solution, to a very complex problem proffered by those who have no idea of the realities of the issue.
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Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:34 pm

jetero wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
jetero wrote:
Image


Jete, that picture is so crass... I'd prefer you just post this one:

The Charlton Heston Gun Room

Image


Is this like Cribs?

RuPaul's Drag Race Dressing Room

Image


Well, if that was Liberace's road crib.... we'd have to airbrush out the teens in the picture...
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
jetero wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

Jete, that picture is so crass... I'd prefer you just post this one:

The Charlton Heston Gun Room

Image


Is this like Cribs?

RuPaul's Drag Race Dressing Room

Image


Well, if that was Liberace's road crib.... we'd have to airbrush out the teens in the picture...


I do appreciate your sense of humor DF.
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:13 am

NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

We are not talking about hunting rifles or target practice with clay pigeons. The issue is rapid fire, high power weapons. The kind generally used in the military or law enforcement.


So I have a semi automatic rifle that doesn't look like an AR-15 that shoots the same ammo, is my weapon legal?


Yes. The Assault Weapons Ban expired in 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_A ... eapons_Ban

NIKV69 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The terrorist organization NRA starts saying "don't politicize this" and "this is not the time to talk about gun control" when a mass shooting happens. Yes, on the books, the terrorist organization NRA looks good. However, when they speak, they don't do much of anything other than offer thoughts and prayers and demand no one take any guns.


Really? You are calling the NRA a terrorist organization? Again why we never get any gun reform even to the floor for a vote, because the base of the democratic party views any person who wants a gun a terrorist and wants to take all guns away. The fringe in this country is what has been dividing us and it's both parties. Stop making up toxic propaganda and fear mongering already.


I will say it again: The terrorist organization NRA is the first and loudest to scream "DON'T TAKE OUR GUNS!" and "DON'T POLITICIZE THIS!!" and such things when a mass shooting happens, then offers thoughts and prayers, then vows to fight any "new" legislation limiting guns. In short: they don't give a damn how many people are killed. You look down your nose at Democrats and "liberals" so why can't I do the exact same thing with you righties and this terrorist organization?
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
An unconfirmed report:

A while back I was searching for someone who could build a modified version of the shuttle valve for the Chrysler B-727 automatic transmission.

I was modifying the valves myself and not being a machinist was having a great deal of trouble doing so.

I found a guy in North Broward who was able to do the work at a fair price, and over the years we developed a decent relationship, I did a lot work for him and he did the same for me.

One afternoon at his shop we where out back shooting chit and he came out of the shop and handed me a what looked like a MAC-11 with a suppressor attached.

It wasn't an actual MAC-11, but a knockoff he built.

He loaded a 20 round mag with .380's, locked the bolt back handed it to me, I wrapped the suppressor with a few shop rags held the suppressor down with my left hand and with the gun below my shoulder and at my side I pulled the trigger and burned through 20 rounds in just over a second and the guns was so well suppressed I could hear the spent brass hitting the ground.

I was impressed, unwrapped the suppressor set it aside and in the ensuing conversation I was informed if I wanted to buy one the price was $1200 cash, no questions asked or background check needed, without the suppressor $900, same deal.

And no manufactures roll marks, serial number or traceability.

A while later he was arrested by BATF and according to the press release they estimated by supplies purchased, he had manufactured and sold over 200 of them, prior to the raid.

That's one man, working in one shop, selling full auto suppressed, with no questions asked, cash talks.

Had the Parkland shooter connected with this guy and I am sure there many more of them out there, he could have had a full auto firearm about 19" in length, very suppressed and with a backpack of 20 round mags, the death toll in Parkland would have been ten times as much as it was, within the same amount of time.

And no one would know he bought the gun, because the only paperwork required, would have been the cash he handed over to the seller.

So yes go ahead and ban semi-automatic firearms and high cap mags, and all that will happen is the law abiding will comply, and nut-jobs like the shooter in Parkland, will find an alternate source and will still be able to buy an even more powerful firearm, for only a little bit more money.

Which by the way as it is for all mass shooters, money or price of the firearm has never been a problem, someone's funding them, either family, a job, or as trust babies like the Vegas shooter.

All banning guns any type of gun does, is effect the law abiding, no one else.

Banning is an ignore reality, simplistic solution, to a very complex problem proffered by those who have no idea of the realities of the issue.


So, in other words: do nothing.

How is that going to help? How do you think that helps the parents of the children gunned down? How does that help anything? This notion of "it is a complex issue, so let's just not do anything." I guess "thoughts and prayers" are the only thing we can do....
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When Delta makes all their pilots that are FFDO and are armed give up their weapons and kick all federal air marshalls off their planes then I will be ok with their stance other than that they are hypocrites like most all liberals are.

Last I checked the FAM and FFDO program resulted in more deaths and injuries than it prevented, as one would expect, all for the low low price of a zillion dollars
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I know this is from a while ago but what could possibly go wrong with arming teachers?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-teach ... -found-it/
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I know this is from a while ago but what could possibly go wrong with arming teachers?


Let us not forget the wise sage advice of Archie Bunker, and his solution to skyjackings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lDb0Dn8OXE
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Scorpio wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun. No limitations on gun rights!!!

Stop trolling, will you?

It is a fact. The 2. Amendment was made to give the citizens of America the capability to defend America. Later it was widened to include the capability of the individual citizen to defend himself from violent crime. In the end the government trusted its citizens to have guns, even though the citizens could use the guns to overthrow the government. In Europe the governments did not trust their citizens and so strict gun laws were put in place, while the government took over the protection of the citizens from foes.


Still waiting, buddy . . .
 
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
An unconfirmed report:

A while back I was searching for someone who could build a modified version of the shuttle valve for the Chrysler B-727 automatic transmission.

I was modifying the valves myself and not being a machinist was having a great deal of trouble doing so.

I found a guy in North Broward who was able to do the work at a fair price, and over the years we developed a decent relationship, I did a lot work for him and he did the same for me.

One afternoon at his shop we where out back shooting chit and he came out of the shop and handed me a what looked like a MAC-11 with a suppressor attached.

It wasn't an actual MAC-11, but a knockoff he built.

He loaded a 20 round mag with .380's, locked the bolt back handed it to me, I wrapped the suppressor with a few shop rags held the suppressor down with my left hand and with the gun below my shoulder and at my side I pulled the trigger and burned through 20 rounds in just over a second and the guns was so well suppressed I could hear the spent brass hitting the ground.

I was impressed, unwrapped the suppressor set it aside and in the ensuing conversation I was informed if I wanted to buy one the price was $1200 cash, no questions asked or background check needed, without the suppressor $900, same deal.

And no manufactures roll marks, serial number or traceability.

A while later he was arrested by BATF and according to the press release they estimated by supplies purchased, he had manufactured and sold over 200 of them, prior to the raid.

That's one man, working in one shop, selling full auto suppressed, with no questions asked, cash talks.

Had the Parkland shooter connected with this guy and I am sure there many more of them out there, he could have had a full auto firearm about 19" in length, very suppressed and with a backpack of 20 round mags, the death toll in Parkland would have been ten times as much as it was, within the same amount of time.

And no one would know he bought the gun, because the only paperwork required, would have been the cash he handed over to the seller.

So yes go ahead and ban semi-automatic firearms and high cap mags, and all that will happen is the law abiding will comply, and nut-jobs like the shooter in Parkland, will find an alternate source and will still be able to buy an even more powerful firearm, for only a little bit more money.

Which by the way as it is for all mass shooters, money or price of the firearm has never been a problem, someone's funding them, either family, a job, or as trust babies like the Vegas shooter.

All banning guns any type of gun does, is effect the law abiding, no one else.

Banning is an ignore reality, simplistic solution, to a very complex problem proffered by those who have no idea of the realities of the issue.


Well DF since you know the complexities inside and out, why not tell us how to fix the problem?

You are talking describing what amounts to a criminal enterprise and, as far as I can tell, completely shrugging it off because of its impracticalities.

Remind me, how do you feel about "the wall"?
 
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[Really? You are calling the NRA a terrorist organization? .


let me see, you are on record here that

a) you only abide that laws you like and you would break laws if you don´t like them.
b) you eluded to devastating violence erupting if laws are enacted that you don´t like.

threatening violence to get a political end is just one step away from committing violence. The NRA is at least a terror organisation in being, blackmailing legislators into passing laws you like by threat of violence.

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tommy1808 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
[Really? You are calling the NRA a terrorist organization? .


let me see, you are on record here that

a) you only abide that laws you like and you would break laws if you don´t like them.
b) you eluded to devastating violence erupting if laws are enacted that you don´t like.

threatening violence to get a political end is just one step away from committing violence. The NRA is at least a terror organisation in being, blackmailing legislators into passing laws you like by threat of violence.

best regards
Thomas


IIRC the Weavers didn't fire first and were awarded millions of dollars for some reason.

Hey everyone abides by the laws they like and breaks the ones they don't. Just ask all the illegals in this country and the party that harbors them.
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:23 am

NIKV69 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
[Really? You are calling the NRA a terrorist organization? .


let me see, you are on record here that

a) you only abide that laws you like and you would break laws if you don´t like them.
b) you eluded to devastating violence erupting if laws are enacted that you don´t like.

threatening violence to get a political end is just one step away from committing violence. The NRA is at least a terror organisation in being, blackmailing legislators into passing laws you like by threat of violence.

best regards
Thomas


IIRC the Weavers didn't fire first and were awarded millions of dollars for some reason.

Hey everyone abides by the like and breaks the ones they don't. Just ask all the illegals in this country and the party that harbors them.


Image
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:32 am

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Hey everyone abides by the laws they like and breaks the ones they don't. .


spoken like a true criminal. No, most people abide by laws because they are the law. And while some people may take a liberal view to speed limits, i haven´t herd anyone threatening civil war over tighter speed limits or more enforcement. Very different from the from the Nation Gun caliphate sympathizers ....

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jetero wrote:
seahawk wrote:
It is a fact. The 2. Amendment was made to give the citizens of America the capability to defend America. Later it was widened to include the capability of the individual citizen to defend himself from violent crime.


I'm sorry, what? When did this "expansion" occur?

I know it doesn't matter. If the "expansion" did not occur, you'll just shoot us if we disagree.


The supreme court has ruled pro-gun in the last 3 decades. I find it interesting why you have the strong desire to take such topics to a personal level, as nobody here makes gun laws in the US. And with the recent addition of judges it is even questionable if voting for an anti-gun president would have much impact.
 
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Sad to see thuggery and intimidation succeeding


Note to self: NIKV69 is intimidated by teenagers.
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DIRECTFLT wrote:
An unconfirmed report:

A while back I was searching for someone who could build a modified version of the shuttle valve for the Chrysler B-727 automatic transmission.

I was modifying the valves myself and not being a machinist was having a great deal of trouble doing so.

I found a guy in North Broward who was able to do the work at a fair price, and over the years we developed a decent relationship, I did a lot work for him and he did the same for me.

One afternoon at his shop we where out back shooting chit and he came out of the shop and handed me a what looked like a MAC-11 with a suppressor attached.

It wasn't an actual MAC-11, but a knockoff he built.

He loaded a 20 round mag with .380's, locked the bolt back handed it to me, I wrapped the suppressor with a few shop rags held the suppressor down with my left hand and with the gun below my shoulder and at my side I pulled the trigger and burned through 20 rounds in just over a second and the guns was so well suppressed I could hear the spent brass hitting the ground.

I was impressed, unwrapped the suppressor set it aside and in the ensuing conversation I was informed if I wanted to buy one the price was $1200 cash, no questions asked or background check needed, without the suppressor $900, same deal.

And no manufactures roll marks, serial number or traceability.

A while later he was arrested by BATF and according to the press release they estimated by supplies purchased, he had manufactured and sold over 200 of them, prior to the raid.

That's one man, working in one shop, selling full auto suppressed, with no questions asked, cash talks.

Had the Parkland shooter connected with this guy and I am sure there many more of them out there, he could have had a full auto firearm about 19" in length, very suppressed and with a backpack of 20 round mags, the death toll in Parkland would have been ten times as much as it was, within the same amount of time.

And no one would know he bought the gun, because the only paperwork required, would have been the cash he handed over to the seller.

So yes go ahead and ban semi-automatic firearms and high cap mags, and all that will happen is the law abiding will comply, and nut-jobs like the shooter in Parkland, will find an alternate source and will still be able to buy an even more powerful firearm, for only a little bit more money.

Which by the way as it is for all mass shooters, money or price of the firearm has never been a problem, someone's funding them, either family, a job, or as trust babies like the Vegas shooter.

All banning guns any type of gun does, is effect the law abiding, no one else.

Banning is an ignore reality, simplistic solution, to a very complex problem proffered by those who have no idea of the realities of the issue.

Interesting thought, essentially the means are there if someone wants to do it badly enough then they will be able to do it, that's why the gun laws in the rest of the world have failed so miserably to reduce the rate of deaths to below that of the US.

If my understanding is correct, you are saying that if something is possible to do in a garage behind prying eyes then it shouldn't be illegal?

I can make a pipe bomb in my garage, should they sell them at target?

I can Grow Cannabis in my garage, should they sell that at trader joes?

I can make heroin in my garage should they sell that at walmart?

And here we go with Schopenhauer's number 1 (this appears to be how the right do arguing)

If it is possible to rape a child without anyone seeing then maybe that should just let that be legal.

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Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:28 pm

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jetero wrote:
seahawk wrote:
It is a fact. The 2. Amendment was made to give the citizens of America the capability to defend America. Later it was widened to include the capability of the individual citizen to defend himself from violent crime.


I'm sorry, what? When did this "expansion" occur?

I know it doesn't matter. If the "expansion" did not occur, you'll just shoot us if we disagree.


The supreme court has ruled pro-gun in the last 3 decades. I find it interesting why you have the strong desire to take such topics to a personal level, as nobody here makes gun laws in the US. And with the recent addition of judges it is even questionable if voting for an anti-gun president would have much impact.


Oh seahawk.

I know you come from the “I can say something and make it true” camp, but c’mon.

“The Supreme Court has ruled pro-gun in the last 3 decades.” Whatever that means.

You need to look no farther than this board to see that’s not a blanket truth.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1G4200

“And with the recent addition of judges.” Again, whatever that means. If I read between the lines, I’m assuming you mean ideologically conservative judges. Perhaps, but more than anything that’s an indication of how if Repubs had their way, there wouldn’t be any courts and they’d be able to do whatever they wanted—screw the Constitution! No doubt your view too.

Another seahawk fail. Typical.
 
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What fail, even your linked article points out that the Supreme Court has established an individual right to own guns for self defense in 2008 and 2010. If you think that a waiting period or a background check will have any influence on the problem, you might disagree.
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:33 pm

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What fail, even your linked article points out that the Supreme Court has established an individual right to own guns for self defense in 2008 and 2010. If you think that a waiting period or a background check will have any influence on the problem, you might disagree.


Seahawk your original post was that the second amendment has been “expanded” in recent years. That’s patently false.
 
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Depends on what you call recent. It is a constant process since the early 20ieth century, when the militia part lost its practical application.
 
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Depends on what you call recent. It is a constant process since the early 20ieth century, when the militia part lost its practical application.


OK seahawk, you constitutional legal scholar, you.
 
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These companies are all cutting ties with the NRA for publicity reasons, and while it makes for good publicity it is not going to have much of an impact on the NRA overall. I have a mixed opinion of the NRA. Their members carry guns, and believe that if any of the gun laws proposed by Democrats are passed into law, Pandora's box will be opened and they wont stop there, but will keep going. It is this fear that tends to create the financial ties with politicians in both Parties. I have lived in very Blue MA in my life, as well as Purple WI, and very Red TX. I can tell you as someone who grew up as a city guy in Boston, why people would be allowed to carry guns or want to carry guns was something that I didn't understand at all. But now that I see how other parts of the country live, it makes a lot more sense and it is something that is just hard to fathom if you are in a Blue coastal area or even overseas. Hunting is a big deal in WI and TX, and gun control just wont fly there.


We are not talking about hunting rifles or target practice with clay pigeons. The issue is rapid fire, high power weapons. The kind generally used in the military or law enforcement.

The NRA does some good things, like offer gun safety classes, and ensure that people get proper firearms training in order that those people who are armed do so safely. However, they continue to ignore all these mass shootings, and instead of offering to help with solutions to these problems, they are always AWOL from these debates. Sadly, these people wont be happy until the US is turned into the Wild West. And their solution is just to arm more people. I dont like this idea. For one thing, I refuse to carry a firearm because I dont trust myself enough that I wouldnt go crazy sometime. Secondly, it makes it easier for bad guys to get weapons, and I havent heard how you prevent this from happening.

The terrorist organization NRA starts saying "don't politicize this" and "this is not the time to talk about gun control" when a mass shooting happens. Yes, on the books, the terrorist organization NRA looks good. However, when they speak, they don't do much of anything other than offer thoughts and prayers and demand no one take any guns.

Lastly, blaming the NRA for all the mass shootings is wrong too. Based on laws that have been proposed, I cant see how any of the proposed laws, if they were on the books, would have stopped any of the mass shootings we have seen. They seem to be laws that are similar to many laws congress passes that look and sound good, but really do nothing to solve the problems that they were trying to. Two noteable examples being the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and Obamacare.


Part of blaming comes from not being able to do anything because the last four words of the Second Amendment are so precious to some of the loudest people. When someone loses a loved one in such a violent way, they do not want thoughts and prayers and they do not want mansplaining about the last four words of the Second Amendment. They are in pain and do not want others to go through that.


Calling the NRA a terrorist organization is a bit of a stretch. I agree with what you say about the AR-15 and military style rifles, there is no reason anyone should own such a weapon, and I actually supported the Assault Weapons ban that expired during the Bush Administration. However, as I said before, the NRA and those sympathetic to the NRA (Judging from Facebook they have seen a spike in membership even with an increase in people against the organization as well) views any such ban as opening Pandora's box and paving the way to further restrictions down the road, which they see as an attack on their second amendment rights. I have heard right wing talk radio even suggest that the reason the founding fathers chose the word arms in the Second Amendment was with the full knowledge that weapons would get stronger and more powerful, even if the musket was the weapon of choice back then. Again, I don't agree with either the NRA or right wing talk radio on this. I think some of what has been proposed is reasonable. I think the GOP could deal with the loss of NRA money just fine. The thing they fear is many GOP primary voters are NRA members and single issue voters when it comes to Guns, and if they did pass laws, they would be primaried in a hurry, as we have seen when they don't toe the line on other issues. It isn't even March yet and my TV has been pelted with negative political ads already with people trying to win over primary voters, just to give you an idea.

But to use the word terrorist to describe the NRA is just wrong. I get what you said about them not wanting any new gun laws. Not wanting any new gun laws does not make them a terrorist. Not caring about the victims is a very serious charge, and an insult to a lot of legal gun owners that I know. And these days people are insulted when they try to show sympathy for the victims. I can't even believe sympathy is being poltiicized. You are not going to ever have a serious dialogue with the other side if you use this type of language. That is only going to keep us divided and wont solve the issue. At least Trump is trying to listen to all sides on this. Whether or not he actually does anything remains to be seen. But listening to everyone is a good start. I wish Obama and Bush had done more of that while in office.
 
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Re: Companies start to abandon NRA

Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:16 pm

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An unconfirmed report:

A while back I was searching for someone who could build a modified version of the shuttle valve for the Chrysler B-727 automatic transmission.

I was modifying the valves myself and not being a machinist was having a great deal of trouble doing so.

I found a guy in North Broward who was able to do the work at a fair price, and over the years we developed a decent relationship, I did a lot work for him and he did the same for me.

One afternoon at his shop we where out back shooting chit and he came out of the shop and handed me a what looked like a MAC-11 with a suppressor attached.

It wasn't an actual MAC-11, but a knockoff he built.

He loaded a 20 round mag with .380's, locked the bolt back handed it to me, I wrapped the suppressor with a few shop rags held the suppressor down with my left hand and with the gun below my shoulder and at my side I pulled the trigger and burned through 20 rounds in just over a second and the guns was so well suppressed I could hear the spent brass hitting the ground.

I was impressed, unwrapped the suppressor set it aside and in the ensuing conversation I was informed if I wanted to buy one the price was $1200 cash, no questions asked or background check needed, without the suppressor $900, same deal.

And no manufactures roll marks, serial number or traceability.

A while later he was arrested by BATF and according to the press release they estimated by supplies purchased, he had manufactured and sold over 200 of them, prior to the raid.

That's one man, working in one shop, selling full auto suppressed, with no questions asked, cash talks.

Had the Parkland shooter connected with this guy and I am sure there many more of them out there, he could have had a full auto firearm about 19" in length, very suppressed and with a backpack of 20 round mags, the death toll in Parkland would have been ten times as much as it was, within the same amount of time.

And no one would know he bought the gun, because the only paperwork required, would have been the cash he handed over to the seller.

So yes go ahead and ban semi-automatic firearms and high cap mags, and all that will happen is the law abiding will comply, and nut-jobs like the shooter in Parkland, will find an alternate source and will still be able to buy an even more powerful firearm, for only a little bit more money.

Which by the way as it is for all mass shooters, money or price of the firearm has never been a problem, someone's funding them, either family, a job, or as trust babies like the Vegas shooter.

All banning guns any type of gun does, is effect the law abiding, no one else.

Banning is an ignore reality, simplistic solution, to a very complex problem proffered by those who have no idea of the realities of the issue.


Interesting thought, essentially the means are there if someone wants to do it badly enough then they will be able to do it, that's why the gun laws in the rest of the world have failed so miserably to reduce the rate of deaths to below that of the US.

If my understanding is correct, you are saying that if something is possible to do in a garage behind prying eyes then it shouldn't be illegal?

Fred


Fred, you're understanding of what I was saying is not correct. To be clear, I, was not saying that if something is possible to do in a garage behind prying eyes then it shouldn't be illegal.

There you go !
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:25 pm

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NIKV69 wrote:
Sad to see thuggery and intimidation succeeding


Note to self: NIKV69 is concerned by teenagers who say they want to ban guns.


Fixed it for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWkqqP-6GM
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:07 pm

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WarRI1 wrote:
I am sorry for their loss and sorry they had to go through what they did but it doesn't give them free reign to trash me and my rights. Neither them nor CNN or any far left whacko will take my guns. Over my dead body.

I'm interested in what your thoughts would be if your loved ones are victims in a mass shooting? Will you consider it a fair price to pay for your gun rights?

Regards, JetMech
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:08 pm

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Sad to see thuggery and intimidation succeeding


Note to self: NIKV69 is intimidated by teenagers.


Nikolas Cruz was a teenager.
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Stop making up toxic propaganda and fear mongering already.


I think we are not interested in your religion.
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:24 pm

No sane company whose mission is nonpartisan would want to be associated with the NRA after some of their recent politically charged comments. "We're for gun rights" is fine, but "We're for gun rights, the opposition wants to kill us all by allowing totalitarianism, and we're freedom's safest place"...not so much.
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Re: Companies start to abandon NRA

Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:38 pm

jetmech wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
I am sorry for their loss and sorry they had to go through what they did but it doesn't give them free reign to trash me and my rights. Neither them nor CNN or any far left whacko will take my guns. Over my dead body.

I'm interested in what your thoughts would be if your loved ones are victims in a mass shooting? Will you consider it a fair price to pay for your gun rights?

Regards, JetMech


Coming from a family of immigrants looking for a better life and believing this country to have the most freedom, opportunity, best justice system etc I would have to say my opinion on our constitutional rights can't change. No matter what. It's hard to say and I hope I never have to have a loved one be a victim of any sort of shooting but if you believe in a constitution.
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Re: Companies start to abandon NRA

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:28 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
jetmech wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

I'm interested in what your thoughts would be if your loved ones are victims in a mass shooting? Will you consider it a fair price to pay for your gun rights?

Regards, JetMech


Coming from a family of immigrants looking for a better life and believing this country to have the most freedom, opportunity, best justice system etc I would have to say my opinion on our constitutional rights can't change. No matter what. It's hard to say and I hope I never have to have a loved one be a victim of any sort of shooting but if you believe in a constitution.


Say what?

What does being from a family of immigrants have to do with a mass shooting?

You’re a third-generationer IIRC (I know because you told me I was specifically racist against third-generation Italian immigrants and needed to be banned permanently as such), now arguing for “legal immigration” which is code for heavily restricted immigration from “desirable” countries.

I think the shoe would have been on the other foot 80 years ago, buddy, because I think Italy would’ve been near the top of the list of countries “sending” a lot of “undesirable” immigrants.

Oh the irony.
 
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Re: Companies start to abandon NRA

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seb146 wrote:
apodino wrote:
These companies are all cutting ties with the NRA for publicity reasons, and while it makes for good publicity it is not going to have much of an impact on the NRA overall. I have a mixed opinion of the NRA. Their members carry guns, and believe that if any of the gun laws proposed by Democrats are passed into law, Pandora's box will be opened and they wont stop there, but will keep going. It is this fear that tends to create the financial ties with politicians in both Parties. I have lived in very Blue MA in my life, as well as Purple WI, and very Red TX. I can tell you as someone who grew up as a city guy in Boston, why people would be allowed to carry guns or want to carry guns was something that I didn't understand at all. But now that I see how other parts of the country live, it makes a lot more sense and it is something that is just hard to fathom if you are in a Blue coastal area or even overseas. Hunting is a big deal in WI and TX, and gun control just wont fly there.


We are not talking about hunting rifles or target practice with clay pigeons. The issue is rapid fire, high power weapons. The kind generally used in the military or law enforcement.

The NRA does some good things, like offer gun safety classes, and ensure that people get proper firearms training in order that those people who are armed do so safely. However, they continue to ignore all these mass shootings, and instead of offering to help with solutions to these problems, they are always AWOL from these debates. Sadly, these people wont be happy until the US is turned into the Wild West. And their solution is just to arm more people. I dont like this idea. For one thing, I refuse to carry a firearm because I dont trust myself enough that I wouldnt go crazy sometime. Secondly, it makes it easier for bad guys to get weapons, and I havent heard how you prevent this from happening.

The terrorist organization NRA starts saying "don't politicize this" and "this is not the time to talk about gun control" when a mass shooting happens. Yes, on the books, the terrorist organization NRA looks good. However, when they speak, they don't do much of anything other than offer thoughts and prayers and demand no one take any guns.

Lastly, blaming the NRA for all the mass shootings is wrong too. Based on laws that have been proposed, I cant see how any of the proposed laws, if they were on the books, would have stopped any of the mass shootings we have seen. They seem to be laws that are similar to many laws congress passes that look and sound good, but really do nothing to solve the problems that they were trying to. Two noteable examples being the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and Obamacare.


Part of blaming comes from not being able to do anything because the last four words of the Second Amendment are so precious to some of the loudest people. When someone loses a loved one in such a violent way, they do not want thoughts and prayers and they do not want mansplaining about the last four words of the Second Amendment. They are in pain and do not want others to go through that.


Calling the NRA a terrorist organization is a bit of a stretch. I agree with what you say about the AR-15 and military style rifles, there is no reason anyone should own such a weapon, and I actually supported the Assault Weapons ban that expired during the Bush Administration. However, as I said before, the NRA and those sympathetic to the NRA (Judging from Facebook they have seen a spike in membership even with an increase in people against the organization as well) views any such ban as opening Pandora's box and paving the way to further restrictions down the road, which they see as an attack on their second amendment rights. I have heard right wing talk radio even suggest that the reason the founding fathers chose the word arms in the Second Amendment was with the full knowledge that weapons would get stronger and more powerful, even if the musket was the weapon of choice back then. Again, I don't agree with either the NRA or right wing talk radio on this. I think some of what has been proposed is reasonable. I think the GOP could deal with the loss of NRA money just fine. The thing they fear is many GOP primary voters are NRA members and single issue voters when it comes to Guns, and if they did pass laws, they would be primaried in a hurry, as we have seen when they don't toe the line on other issues. It isn't even March yet and my TV has been pelted with negative political ads already with people trying to win over primary voters, just to give you an idea.

But to use the word terrorist to describe the NRA is just wrong. I get what you said about them not wanting any new gun laws. Not wanting any new gun laws does not make them a terrorist. Not caring about the victims is a very serious charge, and an insult to a lot of legal gun owners that I know. And these days people are insulted when they try to show sympathy for the victims. I can't even believe sympathy is being poltiicized. You are not going to ever have a serious dialogue with the other side if you use this type of language. That is only going to keep us divided and wont solve the issue. At least Trump is trying to listen to all sides on this. Whether or not he actually does anything remains to be seen. But listening to everyone is a good start. I wish Obama and Bush had done more of that while in office.


Nope, nope, and nope. Ever since mass shootings became a thing,the right has been screaming about "gun grabbing liberals" before the bodies are even cold. We have tried to reason and logically discuss with gun nuts and ammosexuals that something needs to be done. They don't want to hear it and, on top of everything, start in with the "gun grabbing liberals" crap. So, no. This is what they understand. Name calling. I am tired of being reasonable and polite with people who do not.
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You’re a third-generationer IIRC (I know because you told me I was specifically racist against third-generation Italian immigrants and needed to be banned permanently as such)


Your bigotry (most recently against kids with learning disabilities) is overt and easy to see but if you can produce the post being 3rd generation I would appreciate it.
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jetero wrote:

You’re a third-generationer IIRC (I know because you told me I was specifically racist against third-generation Italian immigrants and needed to be banned permanently as such)


Your bigotry (most recently against kids with learning disabilities) is overt and easy to see but if you can produce the post being 3rd generation I would appreciate it.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You’re sounding very Social Justice, best stay in your lane.

The post doesn’t exist anymore because they were both deleted after you got me banned for a week for being racist against Italian-Americans. (!)
 
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Re: Companies start to abandon NRA

Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:56 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Sad to see thuggery and intimidation succeeding


Note to self: NIKV69 is concerned by teenagers who say they want to ban guns.


Fixed it for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYWkqqP-6GM


Women were tired of having no rights, so they changed the laws. Blacks were tired of having no rights, so they changed the laws. Workers were tired of working conditions so they changed the laws. LGBTQI+ were tired of being treated like second class citizens so they changed the laws. School kids are tired of being gunned down so they will change the laws.
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The post doesn’t exist


Fixed it for you
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jetero wrote:

The post doesn’t exist


Fixed it for you


Italians have always made good Fixers. See Manafort, Paul.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:24 am

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02- ... t-have-gun

This is what the Chief NRA Cheerleader had to say about himself. surprise, surprise. I guess he will next try the Bully Pulpit to try to get the corporations to once again bow down to the NRA. He has, congress has along with many other greedy politicians. I eagerly await the next moves of both sides including the student uprising against the NRA and its soldiers.
One has to wonder what his, (t Rumps) thoughts are? Can he go against the sacred cow, Free Enterprise to defend the NRA against companies who are people after all. Citizens United. Remember that turkey? Where does that fit in to this problem? Children being slaughtered in their schools. This hypocrisy has the same stench as always. Corruption!!!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-blasts-a ... 15772.html

More insanity and ignorance from the NRA.
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