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Trump: “Take the guns first"

Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:26 pm

https://splinternews.com/trump-saying-h ... 1823406158

Donald Trump suggested actively confiscating some people’s guns with no due process and made a host of other random pronouncements during a wild, freewheeling meeting with members of Congress on Wednesday in which the president’s eagerness to appear “tough” in the wake of the Parkland shooting—as well as his complete lack of policy knowledge—appeared to overwhelm his usual instincts to back the National Rifle Association to the hilt.


It seems to a degree even Trump finds murdering school kids to be distasteful. I wonder how the sheeple snowflakes caressing their just for self defence assault rifles are feeling?
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:06 am

Actually Trump is proposing some pretty decent ideas. But yes he is bucking the NRA and the, up to now, Republican party line that essentially treads very carefully if at all on anything impacting possession of firearms.

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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:37 am

uh-oh... The libtard in chief will not get reelected with that attitude! oh, wait....
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:57 am

I don't buy it.

Trump has done the same before. Whenever something happens, his public opinion seems to go back and forth between all the extremes and through everything in between. He takes all the position and no position at all, always speaking like someone who has no clue about the issue and whose opinion follows that of the last person he talked to.

He has also done this little spectacle before where he sits before a bipartisan panel and plays the (somewhat illiterate) mediator, but nothing ever comes out of it in the end.
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:23 am

Lot of talk, very little doing. That’s the American way.

But feel free to prove me wrong Mr. President.
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:24 am

Francoflier wrote:
I don't buy it.

Trump has done the same before. Whenever something happens, his public opinion seems to go back and forth between all the extremes and through everything in between. He takes all the position and no position at all, always speaking like someone who has no clue about the issue and whose opinion follows that of the last person he talked to.

He has also done this little spectacle before where he sits before a bipartisan panel and plays the (somewhat illiterate) mediator, but nothing ever comes out of it in the end.
As with everything Trump, it's all about the image he projects, everything else is trivial.

True...but Trump has a way of saying insane things that the rest of us shake our head and think "that's patently insane" and then they have a way of being repeated, reinforced, and reinterpreted by the base into reality within a matter of days, shifting the conversation. Who would have thought a year ago saying 'we want white people from Norway, not brown people from sh!tholes' would have been a reasonable conservative talking point? Now it's standard Fox fare. This bonkers interview could be one of several things that shifts the momentum, but as always, I'm not optimistic.
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:15 am

What was impressive was that Trump was very much the "everyman" in what he wanted and expected.

unlike earlier meetings where Trump has embraced bipartisanship without any specificity, Trump was explicit about what he wanted Wednesday. On camera, he'd pushed to raise the age at which an individual can purchase a rifle from 18 to 21 even after a weekend lunch with officials from the National Rifle Association, who have publicly opposed the change. Trump called to expand background checks and told the House's Majority Whip Steve Scalise that a concealed carry bill would never pass attached to legislation to incentivize states to enter data into the national background checks database.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/28/poli ... index.html

I am especially surprised and impressed that he stated that concealed carry reciprocity is not a supportable idea and should not be included as a required item.

And this was not easy to find on the Foxnews Webpage:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02 ... ckage.html
(It's there in small letters under another topic and not in any way highlighted)

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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:57 am

With Trump being a very reactionary president, I'm cautiously optimistic something positive will happen in terms of preventing mass shootings, even if minor.

IMO Trump isn't the devil, he's just a dope. A lot of things the things he said he was going to change on the campaign trail he hasn't/couldn't because of the mechanisms in place in the Constitution.
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:53 am

Trump the gun-grabber? :o

Run for the hills and pack plenty of ammo! :rotfl:

Where are all the "leftie libtard gun-grabber" name-calling usual suspects? They're strangely quiet. Perhaps they choked on their breakfast
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:53 am

TWA772LR wrote:
With Trump being a very reactionary president, I'm cautiously optimistic something positive will happen in terms of preventing mass shootings, even if minor.

IMO Trump isn't the devil, he's just a dope. A lot of things the things he said he was going to change on the campaign trail he hasn't/couldn't because of the mechanisms in place in the Constitution.


This. He's still a moron even if he says something you like. He went from supporting some gun control, to saying teachers should be armed, to basically saying his second amendment supporters' worst nightmare. Tomorrow he will be telling us we should be arming the kids.

Will probably end up being a bump stock ban.
 
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:19 pm

Can you imagine the outrage if Obama said something like that?
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:14 pm

zkojq wrote:
Can you imagine the outrage if Obama said something like that?


They would have focused on nothing but the US president telling law enforcement officers to disregard the law and act without legal status to do so.

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Riiiight...

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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:25 pm

zkojq wrote:
Can you imagine the outrage if Obama said something like that?


Every time there was a mass shooting during the Obama administration, the right started screaming that Obama was going to take all our guns away. That never happened, did it? Now that their guy is saying "take all guns away" the silence from the right is deafening.
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:40 pm

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zkojq wrote:
Can you imagine the outrage if Obama said something like that?


Every time there was a mass shooting during the Obama administration, the right started screaming that Obama was going to take all our guns away. That never happened, did it? Now that their guy is saying "take all guns away" the silence from the right is deafening.

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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:14 am

I said it in another thread already, even though I am far away from potentially voting for Trump (if I could), but you have to give him credit on this issue, he is the first president (as far as I remember) to really put pressure on the NRA and attacking his own base to push for reform on the gun issue.

And yes, I agree, there is a lot of talk and there might be very few action in the end, but unlike the talk of Obama or others before (after mass shooting events), the talk was just in the leftist corner and nothing really happened, the heat on the NRA or other "gun lovers" was not even turned up slightly... In the end, even if the Donald gets a small gun reform passed, that would be a monumental first step for the USA and would be potentially open the door for more reforms down the road.

It looks like the GOP is getting some Trump medicine served themselves and have no idea how to deal with this yet...

I would even go so far to say, that this might an important crossroad in the presidency of Trump and the relationship with the republican base... Because if the GOP will let Trump have it his way without massively upsetting his voters, it will set a precedent and what will then stop him not going against the GOP on other issues down the line?
 
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:16 am

kasimir wrote:
I said it in another thread already, even though I am far away from potentially voting for Trump (if I could), but you have to give him credit on this issue, he is the first president (as far as I remember) to really put pressure on the NRA and attacking his own base to push for reform on the gun issue.

And yes, I agree, there is a lot of talk and there might be very few action in the end, but unlike the talk of Obama or others before (after mass shooting events), the talk was just in the leftist corner and nothing really happened, the heat on the NRA or other "gun lovers" was not even turned up slightly... In the end, even if the Donald gets a small gun reform passed, that would be a monumental first step for the USA and would be potentially open the door for more reforms down the road.

It looks like the GOP is getting some Trump medicine served themselves and have no idea how to deal with this yet...

I would even go so far to say, that this might an important crossroad in the presidency of Trump and the relationship with the republican base... Because if the GOP will let Trump have it his way without massively upsetting his voters, it will set a precedent and what will then stop him not going against the GOP on other issues down the line?


Except that Trump doesn't know dick about policy...he repeats whatever the last person told him. If the GOP lawmakers are feeling any real pressure to change policy, it's from the kids who survived this massacre, who are organizing better than I've ever witness a youth movement organize, and from GOP donors/large companies who are leading the way through example. Trump has already proven that he himself is not a reliable source for whatever positions he may or may not hold, and the rest of the GOP knows that but keeps their mouths shut about it. If there is any real change to gun policy in America, Trump will deserve ZERO credit.
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:36 am

Once again, I will quote Adlai Stevenson who told the Russian Ambassador during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

" I am prepared to wait for my answer until hell freezes over." waiting for tRump or our Republican led congress doing anything of substance. It will only happen if more business's and the students keep up the pressure on these bums and crooks.
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Re: Trump: “Take the guns first"

Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:19 am

LittleFokker wrote:
If there is any real change to gun policy in America, Trump will deserve ZERO credit.

I would dispute that, there has been nothing but absolute resistance to any change in gun policy for years by the Republican's. And they control the government right now, not just being the "loyal opposition" but controlling the process and agenda. If anything moves that makes what one would consider "real change" to US gun policy there would be no other reason beside Trump doing what he is doing.

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