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Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:59 pm

Watching local news here in Asia and I am confused by how the news report the issue. The news quoted Theresa saying people need to face the fact that Brexit mean leaving single market. However that is different from what I heard from other articles online and posters on the forum. What is the actual situation here?
 
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:05 pm

Literally nobody knows.
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:12 pm

There are two ways to be in the single market : being an EU member, or getting a special deal that is very close to EU membership (Norway, Switzerland). That special deal includes freedom of movement for people.

The main reason people voted for Brexit was to end the freedom of movement for people, so such a deal is not possible.

Hence Brexit does indeed mean out of the single market.
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Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:44 pm

If the Tories could actually describe what they wanted and were capable of writing it down we could answer the question. They don't know, so neither do we.
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:29 am

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If the Tories could actually describe what they wanted and were capable of writing it down we could answer the question. They don't know, so neither do we.

Isn't it...sad...that the Tories were the ones who proposed the vote in the first place and now have no idea what they want or how to achieve it?
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:36 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
If the Tories could actually describe what they wanted and were capable of writing it down we could answer the question. They don't know, so neither do we.

Isn't it...sad...that the Tories were the ones who proposed the vote in the first place and now have no idea what they want or how to achieve it?


Nah. It's all the fault of liberal remoaners, the EU and the closet remainers in May government.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:41 am

The Tory headbangers consisting of Mogg, Johnson and the various other Euroseptics want Britain out completely. They will then start their dismantling of the NHS and workers rights before selling the country and it's citizens to the lowest bidder..
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:18 am

Aesma wrote:
There are two ways to be in the single market : being an EU member, or getting a special deal that is very close to EU membership (Norway, Switzerland). That special deal includes freedom of movement for people.

The main reason people voted for Brexit was to end the freedom of movement for people, so such a deal is not possible.

Hence Brexit does indeed mean out of the single market.


The UK only wants the joys of the EU, not the burdens. It suits their (Anglo Saxon) way of doing business.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:33 pm

IMO it is in the best interest o both sides to recognize that the free movement of people will be the same as before the vote. It is also in the interests of both sides to keep everything as close to members reship as possible. The main reason for the need for closeness starts with Security, especially in terms of NATO. There needs to be support of the populations for military agreements and that may well depend on how the negotiators on both sides keep arguments and tensions down - in private and in public.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:37 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
If the Tories could actually describe what they wanted and were capable of writing it down we could answer the question. They don't know, so neither do we.

Isn't it...sad...that the Tories were the ones who proposed the vote in the first place and now have no idea what they want or how to achieve it?


That’s because they didn’t expect people would be stupid enough to vote for it, they wanted the issue put to bed, the result rather like trump surprised the shit out of everyone.

They don’t want a special deal like norway, we have no seat at the table but follow every rule and regulation to the letter. We don’t even have the advantage of the customs union so we pay a fortune for everything.
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:55 pm

Leaving the EU but remaining in the common market would be like having the cake and eating it too! A BREXIT loon's ultimate wetdream!

But I hope Brussels nixes that theory in the bud. EU needs to be make an example out of the UK lest others start getting similar ideas and the whole EU project comes apart.

If UK wants access to the common market, then stay in the EU. If you want to leave then leave, but dont expect access to the common market. You cannot have both.

Kiwirob wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
If the Tories could actually describe what they wanted and were capable of writing it down we could answer the question. They don't know, so neither do we.

Isn't it...sad...that the Tories were the ones who proposed the vote in the first place and now have no idea what they want or how to achieve it?


That’s because they didn’t expect people would be stupid enough to vote for it, they wanted the issue put to bed, the result rather like trump surprised the shit out of everyone.


That is what happens when you put a man like DAVID CAMERON in charge of the country! The ultimate British a***hole!
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:12 am

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IMO it is in the best interest o both sides to recognize that the free movement of people will be the same as before the vote. It is also in the interests of both sides to keep everything as close to members reship as possible. The main reason for the need for closeness starts with Security, especially in terms of NATO. There needs to be support of the populations for military agreements and that may well depend on how the negotiators on both sides keep arguments and tensions down - in private and in public.


But politically it's untenable, for both sides.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:55 pm

The whole process has been such a shitshow. If it wasn't for a certain orange guy in the White House, the UK would be the laughing stock of the world right now.

marcelh wrote:
The UK only wants the joys of the EU, not the burdens. It suits their (Anglo Saxon) way of doing business.

So very true.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:37 pm

Yes. Yes it does.
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:53 pm

In simple terms, the politicians gave the people a vote and the result was an outcome that 99% of the politicians did not support - Labour and Tory -.
The architect of the vote resigned (DC) the current Prime Minister (TM) decided to build a cabinet split down the middle, supposedly to have both sides represented at the table, hence the mass chaos that is taking place.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:40 pm

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But politically it's untenable, for both sides.


That may be true, but I worry about the long term issues. With Putin on a tear and Trump being the Bozo of the White House as well as Putin's lap dog I believe that the UK and EU need to retain very close ties militarily and economically. Without those two issues I believe both sides will loose long term. Toss in our Bozo and both sides need to stand together against all the ignorance coming out of his brain.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:16 pm

Who knows...they're making it up as they go along.

https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:23 am

BawliBooch wrote:
Leaving the EU but remaining in the common market would be like having the cake and eating it too! A BREXIT loon's ultimate wetdream!


Nope, that is entirely possible and essentially what Norway and Switzerland have. However, if you want to be in the common market, you are in the common market and that means all four pillars.

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:40 am

As I understand it, after the Brexit vote happened, Cameron resigned and May became PM. In order to gain a hand at the bargaining table for Brexit, May called a snap election, which backfired when the Torries lost seats in Parliament, and May had to join forces with a right wing Northern Ireland party to form a government, but the snap election weakened her at the table, and thus we have the mess we are in. The one positive out of the snap election is that Jeremy Corbyn did not become prime minister. I don't know how much longer May survives as Prime Minister but I fear for the British if Corbyn ever becomes PM.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:47 am

Some dream for a deal where the City makes its own rules and then theses rules are automatically recognized in the EU. ( With some unicorns.. )

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86790#disqus_thread

However, with it popping up in Mrs May's speech, we really do seem to have something new added to the mix, even if Coveney didn't realise it. But then he's hardly alone. Almost to a man (and woman), it's passed the legacy media by. It was raised in the Marr interview, but only by the prime minister, when she referred to , "a new relationship on financial services based on this concept of mutual recognition and agreement on regulations".

Needless to say, Marr did not pick up on the cue. He immediately started blathering about passporting, his researchers having missed this vital issue. One wonders where, if at all, anyone does any serious research these days.

However, Marr interviewed Peter (now Lord) Mandelson, former EU trade commissioner. Speaking of the "leap of faith" that when it comes to regulations "we're going to look for mutual recognition, not alignment", he then declared: "I don't believe the EU will accept that in a month of Sundays". He accused Theresa May of "trying to dance on the head of a pin that simply doesn't exist".

The origins of the thinking (if that's what you can call it) on mutual recognition are obvious enough, the term having appeared in the Legatum Institute paper in November 2017. But we also see it emerging in Guardian which revealed in mid-February that Daniel Hannan's Initiative for Free Trade (IFT) was arguing that an "ideal US-UK FTA would focus on mutual recognition of standards and qualifications for goods and occupations".

If the legacy media is failing to put two and two together, however, it appears that the point hasn't been lost in Brussels.

Our own people may be beset by muddled thinking but Commission officials are well aware of the implications and are not disposed kindly towards an attempt to by-pass established Single Market systems. Mandelson notes that they will remain true to the "legal basis of the single market [and] the rules and the established trade policies of the European Union".

Come tomorrow, therefore, when the Commission releases draft negotiating guidelines on future trading relationships, we are told that the draft is being kept short and general to smoke out more detail from Mrs May on her intentions.

Sources confirm the Mandelson view, saying that it was "unthinkable" that the basic thrust of the EU's position would be altered by the prime minister's words. Specifically, it will be made clear that the call for a mutual recognition of regulatory frameworks – as well as Swiss-style membership of EU agencies, including the European aviation safety agency - will not be possible with the UK outside the Single Market.

Certainly, it is more than evident that patience amongst leaders of the EU Members has worn very thin and sources suggest that even the most Anglophile of them are wearying of the charade. This works against Mrs May, as the UK's position is serving to strengthen the unity pf the 27 – Italian elections notwithstanding.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:18 am

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but the snap election weakened her at the table, and thus we have the mess we are in. .


I don´t think that has any influence on the value of her hand at the negotiating table. It just makes it harder for her to get the deal accepted at home, but is irrelevant to the deal she can be getting.

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:50 am

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Who knows...they're making it up as they go along.

https://youtu.be/0xGt3QmRSZY

Fish. Blue passports.

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Can anyone put that on the side of a bus?

That's probably the only way to get the message though.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:20 pm

Her poor election showing does mean that getting agreement on our strategy is more difficult.

Also no one has explained the options re Northern Ireland.

With no hard borders between NI, and the Republic how do we spot EU citizens, from walking or driving from the Republic into NI and then flying or sailing into the rest of the UK.

In that case, how do we control our Borders.

Did no one on either side think of this before the Referendum.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:31 pm

Maybe a way to avoid construction of border checks between Norther Ireland and the Republic would be to check all flights and ferries coming from the the NI to Britain for illegal migrants.
That would "trap" them in N.I. though.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:08 pm

Would we Need to check all of the goods as well.

My understanding is that Customs check involve more than immigrants.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:34 pm

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Maybe a way to avoid construction of border checks between Norther Ireland and the Republic would be to check all flights and ferries coming from the the NI to Britain for illegal migrants.
That would "trap" them in N.I. though.


Happy to be corrected but, as I understand it, border checks between GB and NI is not an option currently because:

a) Politically, the DUP would not allow any divergence from GB, and Teresa May needs every vote she can get

and, more importantly,

b) It would require constitutional amendment as it is not permitted under the Good Friday agreement. There would need to be a vote.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 64642.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4079267.stm

There are no internal border checks within the UK and NI - any move to introduce these is going to cause major issues and risk the survival of the GFA.

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Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:19 pm

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As I understand it, after the Brexit vote happened, Cameron resigned and May became PM. In order to gain a hand at the bargaining table for Brexit, May called a snap election, which backfired when the Torries lost seats in Parliament, and May had to join forces with a right wing Northern Ireland party to form a government, but the snap election weakened her at the table, and thus we have the mess we are in. The one positive out of the snap election is that Jeremy Corbyn did not become prime minister. I don't know how much longer May survives as Prime Minister but I fear for the British if Corbyn ever becomes PM.


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Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:26 pm

Norwegian politicians have made clear that if the UK gets a better deal than Norway in relations to the EU market, Norway will expect better terms too.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:29 pm

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Norwegian politicians have made clear that if the UK gets a better deal than Norway in relations to the EU market, Norway will expect better terms too.


That's why the room to maneuver is limited for the EU.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:08 am

Norway jas a better deal already, they are part of Schengen
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:35 am

The government has no mandate to leave the single market and they don't have a commons majority to do it either. The "Non Binding" referendum made no reference to what type of Brexit there would be. Currently there are what, 5 different versions proposed by different members of the Govenment? Half the leavers during the campaign said of course we NEED to stay in the single market. Of course they had no clue how it worked and the fact it was never going to be possible to have both Brexit and stay in the single market was conveniently ignored or talked around.

The Northern Irish problem alone shows the UK has to stay in the single market whatever the cost. If it means no Brexit, so be it. Someone in the Tories needs to stand up and put the country before their crumbling party. Not that Labour are any better though.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:07 pm

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The Northern Irish problem alone shows the UK has to stay in the single market whatever the cost.


nah, if the troubles come back, it will of course be the EUs fault and the UK is the blameless victim.

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Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:55 pm

Putin wins. The single most successful US foreign policy ever was assisting Europe and the UK to end centuries of warfare and becoming an economic giant to the benefit of its citizens. But somehow at the same time the US clad itself into/onto an never ending series of war. And we have abandoned our obligations to Asian allies encouraging China to take over the lead. If you pursue failure with sufficient energy you will achieve it. And conservatives in the US and England are hollering Hosanna. Sick.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:18 pm

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Reinhardt wrote:
The Northern Irish problem alone shows the UK has to stay in the single market whatever the cost.


nah, if the troubles come back, it will of course be the EUs fault and the UK is the blameless victim.

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Of course :-) I don't know if you saw much of John Majors speech on the subject but it was the most lucid, intelligently delivered and more over accurate speech on Brexit from a British politician I've heard to date. I particularly liked the phrase "I rather like experts" that he gave during a Q and A after. But then he was directly involved in EU negotiations and North Ireland, unlike almost anyone else involved in Brexit in the current cabinet.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:13 pm

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Aesma wrote:
There are two ways to be in the single market : being an EU member, or getting a special deal that is very close to EU membership (Norway, Switzerland). That special deal includes freedom of movement for people.

The main reason people voted for Brexit was to end the freedom of movement for people, so such a deal is not possible.

Hence Brexit does indeed mean out of the single market.


The UK only wants the joys of the EU, not the burdens. It suits their (Anglo Saxon) way of doing business.


I always thought that this was the case from day one, if you want to control your borders then no easy access to the EU market that has been the directive of the EU since inception. Those Brits whom were pissed about the people migrating to Britian could have gone to Germany, France, Italy, Spain etc. to seek work as well.

I would argue that all Free trade agreements should be accompanied by freedom of movement, makes governments think twice whom they sign FTA's with but the talent pool should go where it is most efficient based on market forces.
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I would argue that all Free trade agreements should be accompanied by freedom of movement, makes governments think twice whom they sign FTA's with but the talent pool should go where it is most efficient based on market forces.


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Freedom of movement means that either wages start to rise quickly or workers move to the higher wage nation. Free tade agreements with FOM eliminate low wage countries within the treaty area very efficiently. If NAFTA had it, Mexico wouldn't be nearly as cheap as it is.

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Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:38 pm

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Leaving the EU but remaining in the common market would be like having the cake and eating it too! A BREXIT loon's ultimate wetdream!

But I hope Brussels nixes that theory in the bud. EU needs to be make an example out of the UK lest others start getting similar ideas and the whole EU project comes apart.

If UK wants access to the common market, then stay in the EU. If you want to leave then leave, but dont expect access to the common market. You cannot have both.

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einsteinboricua wrote:
Isn't it...sad...that the Tories were the ones who proposed the vote in the first place and now have no idea what they want or how to achieve it?


That’s because they didn’t expect people would be stupid enough to vote for it, they wanted the issue put to bed, the result rather like trump surprised the shit out of everyone.


That is what happens when you put a man like DAVID CAMERON in charge of the country! The ultimate British a***hole!


That was his election deal. Give me a majority and I will have this referendum had he not had this deal IIRC he would have been booted as leader as the pro brexit MPs were the reason for his majority.
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:03 pm

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The government has no mandate to leave the single market and they don't have a commons majority to do it either.

Help me with this one, the UK government gave its people a choice of in or out of the EU, how can one be in the Customs Union without being in the EU, or do you see a difference between being a voting member and someone who has to follow all the rules of the EU?

As for different versions of Brexit, also not in the vote and nowhere listed in the Article 50 covenant, its up to the parties to negotiate what type of agreement they want going forward, so if the EU says only full member or Norway, that is what it is, the UK has to comply or pick up its sticks and move on.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:08 pm

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Freedom of movement means that either wages start to rise quickly or workers move to the higher wage nation. Free tade agreements with FOM eliminate low wage countries within the treaty area very efficiently. If NAFTA had it, Mexico wouldn't be nearly as cheap as it is.

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....and if one looks beyond wages, there would be a massive movement of people, and once the economy in the moved too countries decline, the movement would move elsewhere, in the meantime, cultural norms would change, family structures would be adjusted, and ultimately, the most militant of the movers would set the trend.
Oh, but trade would be unaffected, I think not.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:22 pm

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Norwegian politicians have made clear that if the UK gets a better deal than Norway in relations to the EU market, Norway will expect better terms too.


Norway needs to get off the pot and join the EU, we have no say at the table and do what we are told, it’s a one sided relationship IMO
 
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The Tory headbangers consisting of Mogg, Johnson and the various other Euroseptics want Britain out completely. They will then start their dismantling of the NHS and workers rights before selling the country and it's citizens to the lowest bidder..


...and before you know it the NHS will be just as reliable and affordable as British Rail. Clusterfuck this whole thing is..,...
 
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...and before you know it the NHS will be just as reliable and affordable as British Rail. Clusterfuck this whole thing is..,...

...don't worry, help is just around the corner in a new Labour Government, who knows better how to run utilities like rail, power and NHS than the government.....
 
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Redd wrote:
...and before you know it the NHS will be just as reliable and affordable as British Rail. Clusterfuck this whole thing is..,...

...don't worry, help is just around the corner in a new Labour Government, who knows better how to run utilities like rail, power and NHS than the government.....


Rail costs in France are 2% of the average salary, in the UK they're 14% of the average salary. 60€ monthly in France, 390€ in the UK. French rail is state owned, UK is private. France has a good, on time, reliable, comfortable, high speed & modern rail system. UK doesn't. Do you really think privatization of rail is a good thing?
 
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Re: Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:12 am

Redd wrote:
par13del wrote:
Redd wrote:
...and before you know it the NHS will be just as reliable and affordable as British Rail. Clusterfuck this whole thing is..,...

...don't worry, help is just around the corner in a new Labour Government, who knows better how to run utilities like rail, power and NHS than the government.....


Rail costs in France are 2% of the average salary, in the UK they're 14% of the average salary. 60€ monthly in France, 390€ in the UK. French rail is state owned, UK is private. France has a good, on time, reliable, comfortable, high speed & modern rail system. UK doesn't. Do you really think privatization of rail is a good thing?


That must be apart from the high speed once an hour train I took from Edinburgh to London yesterday then, you know, the one with 4 stops on the way taking under 4 1/2 hours and doesn't have a fancy name as it's just a "normal" train. Every country has its slower, less comfortable trains. Been on them in France as well as the superb TGV but your comment is OTT. Remember, UK is a small island with hardly any room left for new rails, unlike France for instance.
 
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Re: Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:56 am

par13del wrote:
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The government has no mandate to leave the single market and they don't have a commons majority to do it either.

Help me with this one, the UK government gave its people a choice of in or out of the EU, how can one be in the Customs Union without being in the EU, or do you see a difference between being a voting member and someone who has to follow all the rules of the EU?


British voters were given a choice: in or out the EU, but those advocating leave also said they would still be in the single market (or something amounting to pretty much that).

So either they were knowingly misleading them or they didn't have the slightest idea of how the whole thing works.

I honestly don't know which one is worse.
 
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Re: Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:02 am

BawliBooch wrote:
Leaving the EU but remaining in the common market would be like having the cake and eating it too!


So Norway and Switzerland are eating a lot of cake then.
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Re: Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:39 am

KarelXWB wrote:
So Norway and Switzerland are eating a lot of cake then.


Because you don't understand the rules theses countries follow and the TM red lines....
 
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Re: Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:43 am

Olddog wrote:
Because you don't understand the rules theses countries follow and the TM red lines....


of, i think he knows that. That someone in the discussions acts like a toddler doesn´t mean that you can´t be inside the SM and outside the EU. It is just not possible if you start piling on mutely exclusive goals.

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Re: Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:15 pm

You may understand why eu insist on serious borders...

https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-demands-uk-pay-e2-7-billion-in-lost-customs-duties/

Brussels demands UK pay €2.7 billion in lost customs duties

The European Commission today formally demanded that the U.K. pay €2.7 billion into the EU budget after investigators found that British authorities allowed a massive fraud network originating in China to evade paying the appropriate level of customs duties.

The network — which imported ultra-cheap Chinese goods into Europe — was first revealed in March last year by the EU’s anti-fraud office OLAF. The EU concluded that British customs allowed those importers to use “fictitious and false invoices and incorrect customs value declarations at importation.”

“Despite having been informed of the risks of fraud relating to the importation of textiles and footwear originating in the People’s Republic of China since 2007, and despite having been asked to take appropriate risk control measures, the United Kingdom failed to take action to prevent the fraud,” the Commission said in a statement.

“The United Kingdom is liable for the financial consequences of its infringements of EU legislation.”
 
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Re: Does "Brexit" include "Leaving the European single market"?

Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:02 pm

Lemme guess. They want it paid other away. Whereas they’re rather silent on Ireland’s rotten Apple deal. Hmmm.
It's time to take back control. No matter how hard you try to stop it, THE UK IS LEAVING THE EU Move on and accept. We will not allow you to stop it.

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