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YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:41 pm

Along with bans from Facebook and Apple. I personally think Alex Jones is a dangerous man who spreads horrific lies about innocent people. He’s constantly harassing the parents who lost their children at Sandy Hook. He’s a 9/11 truther, he believes school shootings are false flags along with the recent Las Vegas shooting. The survivors have been constantly stalked and harassed by him and his followers love it. He’s a horrible human being and the right is crying censorship, when in reality YouTube, Facebook and Apple are private companies that can do as they please.

Can you imagine how supportive the right would be if YouTube banned a channel promoting Islamic extremism? Their hypocrisy know no bounds.

In any case, what do you guys think? In my opinion Alex Jones is dangerous and no longer inhabits the fringes. His audience is vast and wide and I’m concerned we’re going to have a nation filled with people acting and voting on these conspiracies. If any of these Alex types get anywhere near Washington, trouble will ensue.
 
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:09 pm

I think Spotify also banned Jones. I thought I had heard there were some Muslim extremists who had been banned. There have been other groups banned on FB for various reasons. So what? Making threats and inciting violence is a good reason to get banned. But, now, he has his kool-ade drinking, tin foil hat wearing followers all ginned up and ready for a fight. Civil War III perhaps?
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:24 pm

I don't believe hell exists, but if it did there would be a special place reserved just for Alex Jones, right next to Fred Phelps. He is a contemptible human being.

Conspiracy theories are all well and good and quite amusing, but when you harass parents whose kids have been killed at school, you've scraped your way through the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:24 pm

It's funny how these 'private companies who can do as they please' all banned him within hours of each other in a coordinated manner just weeks before US mid terms.

Can anyone cite some specific examples of 'hate speech' that came out of Jones' mouth? He's a scary guy and it certainly on some spectrum but it's almost as if anyone today who doesn't subscribe to the liberal way and share their opinions on each subject are guilty of 'hate speech'.

I think everyone should have a chance to say what they feel. If what they say is not in agreement with your world view then challenge them. How does shutting them down help? Those on the conservative spectrum find their videos removed or demonetised yet people like the Young Turks simply go on unchallenged!

There are numerous videos of people claiming the surge in Islamic terror in Europe are false flag attacks. I think that's equally as insane as Jones' claims that Vegas was a false flag event yet those videos aren't removed you YouTube.

YouTube demonetised LGBTQAII+++ videos and videos of domestic violence depriving several good causes with much needed revenue yet allowed Logan Paul to make money off of a video showing someone who'd committed suicide.

If you're going to get virtuous and tell us what we can believe and what we should think then I think they should be consistent.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:55 pm

Its good that he's gone. When your speech encourages people to intimidate and taunt parents who lost kids to gun violence, you've crossed that line in free speech that equates to yelling "FIRE" in a movie theater.

On a related note though, why is it that is always conservatives that fall for this conspiracy theory stuff? The Birther movement, Alex Jones, and now there is a growing contingent of Trump supporters that are parroting this QAnon nonsense.

Its got to be harder and harder for a sane, intelligent conservative to support Trump when that means standing alongside the KKK, fascists, Russia, Infowar addicts and now legions of QAnon fans that honestly believe there is some 'deep-state pedophilia ring'.

At what point are the crazies in the GOP the majority? And at what point will real patriotic American conservatives finally stand up in opposition to the extremes of the party being supported by the insane and dangerous groups listed above?
 
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:59 pm

Owen Jones, Artist Taxi Driver, TYT and a few NHS fanatics, socialists and communists all come up with equally disturbing things so or really isn't true to claim that it's only conservatives who fall for it.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:06 pm

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I think everyone should have a chance to say what they feel. If what they say is not in agreement with your world view then challenge them.


He did, and those that disagreed with him have bitch-slapped him. :thumbsup:

Not many people would have an issue with a nutter claiming the Sandy Hook massacre never happened and it's all a conspiracy. If that's where it ended, but it didn't.

I also believe most people, including conservatives, would have an issue with the same nutter publicly harassing those parents, claiming that grieving parents are actors and that their kids didn't really die. The man is beyond contempt and I'm glad his platforms for spreading hate are being shut down. Hopefully those parents suing him for defamation will win their day in court.

I completely understand why social media platforms are banning him. If he's found guilty of defamation those platforms could quite well be sued for allowing the spread of that defamation. I suspect that's somewhere they really don't want to go.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:11 pm

sevenair wrote:
Owen Jones, Artist Taxi Driver, TYT and a few NHS fanatics, socialists and communists all come up with equally disturbing things so or really isn't true to claim that it's only conservatives who fall for it.


Never heard of Owen Jones, Artist Taxi Driver or TYT. But a brief check shows Owen Jones with about 750K twitter followers and the rest are basically non-factors. That doesn't begin to compete with the empire built by the right wing conspiracy theorists.

Also, lets break down your list. NHS fans? You've got the KKK on the right. These are among the most vile people in history. They are Nazis, fascists and above all violent racists. And you counter with a group of Brits that support universal healthcare?

This is why the 'both sides do it' argument is invalid. The extremists on the left are pushing for higher taxes to pay for government services for the poor. The extremists on the right want racial genocide.
 
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:23 pm

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Owen Jones, Artist Taxi Driver, TYT and a few NHS fanatics, socialists and communists all come up with equally disturbing things so or really isn't true to claim that it's only conservatives who fall for it.


There is a yuge difference between what Alex Jones does and what TYT does. I am not familiar with the others you name. TYT can get pretty out there but they do not try to incite violence. They do not tell their viewers/listeners to hate people who are victims of attacks. They don't say "this attack was faked by the government to get you to believe something else."

Go listen to "Coast To Coast AM" for some good conspiracy theories. They don't encourage others to hurt people. That is the difference.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:26 pm

There's a lot of anti Jewish conspiracy nonsense and that comes from the left largely and is currently rocking the official opposition party here in the UK. The extremists on the left want rid of Jews and Israel wiped off the map. Let's not go down the path of normalising anyone with extreme views on the right or the left.

Owen Jones writes for a very popular newspaper here and often appears on TV and his M.O. of dealing with anyone with different opinions is to bend them 'far right'.

The NHS conspiracy theorists push nonsense about it being sold off, privatised and given to the Americans and come after anyone who doesn't agree. We all support universal healthcare we just have different visions on how to provide it but that comes down to doing and saying what the left want or they'll come after you. Remember that everyone here in the UK has 'free' healthcare. That's not negotiable.

I remember seeing nonsense about how the 'Jews' were responsible for 9/11. Then you have fascists masquerading around as 'anti fascists'. You have widespread abuse of conservatives. You have violent hate mobs turning up to talks and intimidating those who want to attend.

I've never looked for a KKK video online so can't comment on wether or not they're banned but as they're a tiny proportion of conservatives and not representative of conservatives then I don't see the connection. I would hope that they are banned.

TYT have over 4,000,000 YouTube susceibers and I think Cenk has a few screws missing just like Alex Jones does. I'm very surprised that you've never heard of them as you claim to be be so prescient on all matters Alex Jones yet haven't heard of them. There's always been a bit of a feud between the two channels.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:29 pm

I've never really watched Alex Jones as his voice annoys me and he was way too shouty. If he was inciting hate then it's good that he was removed as should all of those who do the same.

What exactly was he doing to incite hate?
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:40 pm

sevenair wrote:
'private companies who can do as they please'
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I think everyone should have a chance to say what they feel. If what they say is not in agreement with your world view then challenge them. How does shutting them down help?

A few points:

Why should everyone have a chance to say what they feel? Publicly, loudly? (US government may not be allowed to violate free speech rights but that is honestly a different thing.)

No private company is required to carry/air and broadcast others world view. (At least in the USA.)

How successful have you ever been challenging a troll that will lie and make stuff and use bogus sources to support what they spout? Challenging only drives them on. Taking a microphone out of their hand at least quiets them down for a while (but I am sure some other site shall rise to host them and grab the available subscriber dollars.)


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Can anyone cite some specific examples of 'hate speech' that came out of Jones' mouth?

Definition of Hate Speech:
Speech that is intended to offend, insult, intimidate, or threaten an individual or group based on a trait or attribute, such as sexual orientation, religion, color, gender, or disability.
So he's got hateful down pat, OK. Lies and misinformation, yes. Appearing to try and lead others to attack groups and people he does not like, most certainly. Basically he likes to rile up a crowd and get people frothing. He may be controlled (comparatively), his goal, the goal of "hate speech" is to get others to do the actions. So he hides and foments.

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If you're going to get virtuous and tell us what we can believe

How is this action telling you what to believe? .


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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:41 pm

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There's a lot of anti Jewish conspiracy nonsense and that comes from the left largely and is currently rocking the official opposition party here in the UK. The extremists on the left want rid of Jews and Israel wiped off the map. Let's not go down the path of normalising anyone with extreme views on the right or the left.

Owen Jones writes for a very popular newspaper here and often appears on TV and his M.O. of dealing with anyone with different opinions is to bend them 'far right'.

The NHS conspiracy theorists push nonsense about it being sold off, privatised and given to the Americans and come after anyone who doesn't agree. We all support universal healthcare we just have different visions on how to provide it but that comes down to doing and saying what the left want or they'll come after you.

I remember seeing nonsense about how the 'Jews' were responsible for 9/11. Then you have fascists masquerading around as 'anti fascists'. You have widespread abuse of conservatives. You have violent hate mobs turning up to talks and intimidating those who want to attend.

I've never looked for a KKK video online so can't comment on wether or not they're banned but as they're a tiny proportion of conservatives and not representative of conservatives then I don't see the connection. I would hope that they are banned.

TYT have over 4,000,000 YouTube susceibers and I think Cenk has a few screws missing just like Alex Jones does. I'm very surprised that you've never heard of them as you claim to be be so prescient on all matters Alex Jones yet haven't heard of them. There's always been a bit of a feud between the two channels.


Is TYT 'The Young Turks'?

Anyway, I've seen your posts in the Brexit threads so I know to take everything you say with a huge grain of salt. Especially considering you threw out a lot of accusations with no links or sources. In fact, most of what you posted were right-wing conspiracy's (Jews being responsible for 9/11 in particular). I have no idea what your going on about with fascists. Here in the US, there are just fascist. And they all love Trump. The 'violent hate mobs' at right wing talks are probably protesters. Has a protest gotten out of hand in the past? Maybe, I don't know because you provided source for that statement, but even if it did, its irrelevant to the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is this:

The left makes bold political points, the right threatens Sandy Hook survivors

The left protest fascists, The right run over protesters with their cars.

The left has The Young Turks, whom I don't watch, but I gather they're biggest crime is being far left on the political spectrum. The right has QAnon, and is convinced there is an underground pedo-ring that has been running the government for years.

The boogyman (or bogeywoman) for the right in the US right now is a Democratic congressional candidate that supports expanded social programs. Meanwhile you have out and proud racists and fascists on the right.

ITS NOT EQUAL.

Until you find me a popular left-leaning figure that has come even close to spewing the outright lies and Alex Jones did with the intent of intimidating or even harming grieving families, you have nothing.
 
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:45 pm

If companies are only going to support one world view then why don't they say so during the registration process?

We all know that if YouTube and the like were of a more conservative world view and banned people who didn't subscribe to that then it would be very different.

I know what hate speech is. You could argue though that world views come under 'trait or attribute' and therefore the widespread bullying and intimidation of people with a different point of view must surely be covered under hate speech? What I want to know what Jones did specifically?

I would say that shutting down those with a different viewpoint is escort that. It's telling you what you can and can't believe or at least say.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:48 pm

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sevenair wrote:
There's a lot of anti Jewish conspiracy nonsense and that comes from the left largely and is currently rocking the official opposition party here in the UK. The extremists on the left want rid of Jews and Israel wiped off the map. Let's not go down the path of normalising anyone with extreme views on the right or the left.

Owen Jones writes for a very popular newspaper here and often appears on TV and his M.O. of dealing with anyone with different opinions is to bend them 'far right'.

The NHS conspiracy theorists push nonsense about it being sold off, privatised and given to the Americans and come after anyone who doesn't agree. We all support universal healthcare we just have different visions on how to provide it but that comes down to doing and saying what the left want or they'll come after you.

I remember seeing nonsense about how the 'Jews' were responsible for 9/11. Then you have fascists masquerading around as 'anti fascists'. You have widespread abuse of conservatives. You have violent hate mobs turning up to talks and intimidating those who want to attend.

I've never looked for a KKK video online so can't comment on wether or not they're banned but as they're a tiny proportion of conservatives and not representative of conservatives then I don't see the connection. I would hope that they are banned.

TYT have over 4,000,000 YouTube susceibers and I think Cenk has a few screws missing just like Alex Jones does. I'm very surprised that you've never heard of them as you claim to be be so prescient on all matters Alex Jones yet haven't heard of them. There's always been a bit of a feud between the two channels.


Is TYT 'The Young Turks'?

Anyway, I've seen your posts in the Brexit threads so I know to take everything you say with a huge grain of salt. Especially considering you threw out a lot of accusations with no links or sources. In fact, most of what you posted were right-wing conspiracy's (Jews being responsible for 9/11 in particular). I have no idea what your going on about with fascists. Here in the US, there are just fascist. And they all love Trump. The 'violent hate mobs' at right wing talks are probably protesters. Has a protest gotten out of hand in the past? Maybe, I don't know because you provided source for that statement, but even if it did, its irrelevant to the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is this:

The left makes bold political points, the right threatens Sandy Hook survivors

The left protest fascists, The right run over protesters with their cars.

The left has The Young Turks, whom I don't watch, but I gather they're biggest crime is being far left on the political spectrum. The right has QAnon, and is convinced there is an underground pedo-ring that has been running the government for years.

The boogyman (or bogeywoman) for the right in the US right now is a Democratic congressional candidate that supports expanded social programs. Meanwhile you have out and proud racists and fascists on the right.

ITS NOT EQUAL.

Until you find me a popular left-leaning figure that has come even close to spewing the outright lies and Alex Jones did with the intent of intimidating or even harming grieving families, you have nothing.


I see! I have a different view on brexit therefore you can insult me and anything is fair game, just because I have a different point of view? Don't worry, you're not alone. @mmo did exactly the same thing. I don't recall ever interacting with you on here yet because I don't have the same views as you then you're somehow enabled to do and say what you like?

I was 'going on about' antifa.

This is exactly what I'm talking about! People think because they're of the more 'virtuous' viewpoint that somehow they're right, that everyone else is an extremist and any abuse is toward them is justified.

Who are the 'out and proud racists' we have on the right? I think it's a lot more comtructive to admit there are problems with fringe elements on all sides of the political debate. The challenge is to exclude them whilst at the same time not conflating those extreme views with everyone else on that side of the political spectrum. There's a problem with anti-Semitism in U.K. Labour. Do I believe that all labour supporters hate Jews? Of course I don't.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:50 pm

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If companies are only going to support one world view then why don't they say so during the registration process?

What one world view are you talking about? And what part of the "registration" process do they state that? Is this something that Fox also needed to do as well as the Sinclair Broadcast Group?

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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:51 pm

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sevenair wrote:
If companies are only going to support one world view then why don't they say so during the registration process?

What one world view are you talking about? And what part of the "registration" process do they state that? Is this something that Fox also needed to do as well as the Sinclair Broadcast Group?

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When to join a website you have to agree to the terms of use. Do those terms of use state that only those on the left will have their views respected or that only those on the left are welcome?

I meant 'one specific world view'.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:55 pm

sevenair wrote:
Tugger wrote:
sevenair wrote:
If companies are only going to support one world view then why don't they say so during the registration process?

What one world view are you talking about? And what part of the "registration" process do they state that? Is this something that Fox also needed to do as well as the Sinclair Broadcast Group?

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When to join a website you have to agree to the terms of use. Do those terms of use state that only those on the left will have their views respected or that only those on the left are welcome?

I meant 'one specific world view'.

What is "the left"? Please be specific and accurate.

I am "right" to some people and "left" to others. So I need to know clearly what the "left worldview" is. I am guessing it is very similar to "the gay agenda" etc.

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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:57 pm

sevenair wrote:
2122M wrote:
sevenair wrote:
There's a lot of anti Jewish conspiracy nonsense and that comes from the left largely and is currently rocking the official opposition party here in the UK. The extremists on the left want rid of Jews and Israel wiped off the map. Let's not go down the path of normalising anyone with extreme views on the right or the left.

Owen Jones writes for a very popular newspaper here and often appears on TV and his M.O. of dealing with anyone with different opinions is to bend them 'far right'.

The NHS conspiracy theorists push nonsense about it being sold off, privatised and given to the Americans and come after anyone who doesn't agree. We all support universal healthcare we just have different visions on how to provide it but that comes down to doing and saying what the left want or they'll come after you.

I remember seeing nonsense about how the 'Jews' were responsible for 9/11. Then you have fascists masquerading around as 'anti fascists'. You have widespread abuse of conservatives. You have violent hate mobs turning up to talks and intimidating those who want to attend.

I've never looked for a KKK video online so can't comment on wether or not they're banned but as they're a tiny proportion of conservatives and not representative of conservatives then I don't see the connection. I would hope that they are banned.

TYT have over 4,000,000 YouTube susceibers and I think Cenk has a few screws missing just like Alex Jones does. I'm very surprised that you've never heard of them as you claim to be be so prescient on all matters Alex Jones yet haven't heard of them. There's always been a bit of a feud between the two channels.


Is TYT 'The Young Turks'?

Anyway, I've seen your posts in the Brexit threads so I know to take everything you say with a huge grain of salt. Especially considering you threw out a lot of accusations with no links or sources. In fact, most of what you posted were right-wing conspiracy's (Jews being responsible for 9/11 in particular). I have no idea what your going on about with fascists. Here in the US, there are just fascist. And they all love Trump. The 'violent hate mobs' at right wing talks are probably protesters. Has a protest gotten out of hand in the past? Maybe, I don't know because you provided source for that statement, but even if it did, its irrelevant to the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is this:

The left makes bold political points, the right threatens Sandy Hook survivors

The left protest fascists, The right run over protesters with their cars.

The left has The Young Turks, whom I don't watch, but I gather they're biggest crime is being far left on the political spectrum. The right has QAnon, and is convinced there is an underground pedo-ring that has been running the government for years.

The boogyman (or bogeywoman) for the right in the US right now is a Democratic congressional candidate that supports expanded social programs. Meanwhile you have out and proud racists and fascists on the right.

ITS NOT EQUAL.

Until you find me a popular left-leaning figure that has come even close to spewing the outright lies and Alex Jones did with the intent of intimidating or even harming grieving families, you have nothing.


I see! I have a different view on brexit therefore you can insult me and anything is fair game, just because I have a different point of view? Don't worry, you're not alone. @mmo did exactly the same thing.

I was 'going on about' antifa.

This is exactly what I'm talking about! People think because they're of the more 'virtuous' viewpoint that somehow they're right, that everyone else is an extremist and any abuse is toward them is justified.


Abuse? What abuse?

If you're viewpoints are not rooted in fact, expect to be called out on them. If that's abuse to you, you need to stay off the internet.

Antifa are 'anti-fascist'. Not fascists pretending to be anti-fascist. They oppose what fascism stands for and those that attempt to promote it.

Now, stop playing the victim (classic Trump move when he's losing an argument) and either show me a left wing conspiracy theorist that has been embraced by mainstream liberals the way QAnon and Alex Jones are embraced by mainstream conservatives or admit that the right is far more extreme than the left when it come to the garbage they will believe to validate their views.
 
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:01 pm

The left would largely align hemselfes with the policies of the UK Labour Party or the Democrats.

I don't know what the gay agenda is and I'm a gay man so can't help you there.
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:02 pm

sevenair wrote:
Who are the 'out and proud racists' we have on the right?


The KKK and a host of other white nationalist groups. I thought I made that clear earlier.

sevenair wrote:
I think it's a lot more comtructive to admit there are problems with fringe elements on all sides of the political debate.


Of course you do. That's the 'both sides do it' argument. And you only see conservatives jumping to that defense. My point is, the crazies on the right are no longer as fringe as they used to be.

sevenair wrote:
The challenge is to exclude them whilst at the same time not conflating those extreme views with everyone else on that side of the political spectrum. There's a problem with anti-Semitism in U.K. Labour. Do I believe that all labour supporters hate Jews? Of course I don't.


And if you look at my earlier post, I said the following:

"Its got to be harder and harder for a sane, intelligent conservative to support Trump when that means standing alongside the KKK, fascists, Russia, Infowar addicts and now legions of QAnon fans that honestly believe there is some 'deep-state pedophilia ring'.

At what point are the crazies in the GOP the majority? And at what point will real patriotic American conservatives finally stand up in opposition to the extremes of the party being supported by the insane and dangerous groups listed above?"
 
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Re: YouTube removes Alex Jones channel

Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:08 pm

2122M wrote:
sevenair wrote:
2122M wrote:

Is TYT 'The Young Turks'?

Anyway, I've seen your posts in the Brexit threads so I know to take everything you say with a huge grain of salt. Especially considering you threw out a lot of accusations with no links or sources. In fact, most of what you posted were right-wing conspiracy's (Jews being responsible for 9/11 in particular). I have no idea what your going on about with fascists. Here in the US, there are just fascist. And they all love Trump. The 'violent hate mobs' at right wing talks are probably protesters. Has a protest gotten out of hand in the past? Maybe, I don't know because you provided source for that statement, but even if it did, its irrelevant to the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is this:

The left makes bold political points, the right threatens Sandy Hook survivors

The left protest fascists, The right run over protesters with their cars.

The left has The Young Turks, whom I don't watch, but I gather they're biggest crime is being far left on the political spectrum. The right has QAnon, and is convinced there is an underground pedo-ring that has been running the government for years.

The boogyman (or bogeywoman) for the right in the US right now is a Democratic congressional candidate that supports expanded social programs. Meanwhile you have out and proud racists and fascists on the right.

ITS NOT EQUAL.

Until you find me a popular left-leaning figure that has come even close to spewing the outright lies and Alex Jones did with the intent of intimidating or even harming grieving families, you have nothing.


I see! I have a different view on brexit therefore you can insult me and anything is fair game, just because I have a different point of view? Don't worry, you're not alone. @mmo did exactly the same thing.

I was 'going on about' antifa.

This is exactly what I'm talking about! People think because they're of the more 'virtuous' viewpoint that somehow they're right, that everyone else is an extremist and any abuse is toward them is justified.


Abuse? What abuse?

If you're viewpoints are not rooted in fact, expect to be called out on them. If that's abuse to you, you need to stay off the internet.

Antifa are 'anti-fascist'. Not fascists pretending to be anti-fascist. They oppose what fascism stands for and those that attempt to promote it.

Now, stop playing the victim (classic Trump move when he's losing an argument) and either show me a left wing conspiracy theorist that has been embraced by mainstream liberals the way QAnon and Alex Jones are embraced by mainstream conservatives or admit that the right is far more extreme than the left when it come to the garbage they will believe to validate their views.


You've basically delegitimised my posts because of my views on brexit. I'm not playing the victim I'm merely stating fact.

Antifa are a violent hate filled mob. You don't fight violence with violence just like you don't use facist tactics to fight so called 'fascists' and you certainly don't get to define who is and who isn't a fascist. That's an extremely dangerous path to go down.

I've gave several examples online who appear on TV here. There are also several other very moderate conservative channels which have been demonetised by YouTube. I wasn't a viewer of Jones and have never heard of QAnon. One person who almost comes as close to being as crazy as Jones would be Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. She's an anti British, anti white writer who appears on mainstream media.
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The left would largely align hemselfes with the policies of the UK Labour Party or the Democrats.

I don't know what the gay agenda is and I'm a gay man so can't help you there.


That doesn't sound very specific.

If I understand it, the gay agenda is a leftwing policy to get gays to be protected and accepted by society and make being gay OK and god forbid even normal. Leaflets were passed out to lefties everywhere and directed them to sign the agenda document when they were at the next available gay agenda meeting.

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Antifa are a violent hate filled mob. You don't fight violence with violence just like you don't use facist tactics to fight so called 'fascists' and you certainly don't get to define who is and who isn't a fascist. That's an extremely dangerous path to go down.


You realize there is an actual definition of fascism, right? I'm not making it up. Its not some term we get to throw around with no meaning. Anti-fascists protesters have, in the past, met the level of violence thrown at them by fascists. But you need to understand what a fascist it in order to have this debate.


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I've gave several examples online who appear on TV here. There are also several other very moderate conservative channels which have been demonetised by YouTube. I wasn't a viewer of Jones and have never heard of QAnon. One person who almost comes as close to being as crazy as Jones would be Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. She's an anti British, anti white writer who appears on mainstream media.


Right, soooooo not as crazy, not the same. thank you for conceding the point.
 
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2122M wrote:
sevenair wrote:

I see! I have a different view on brexit therefore you can insult me and anything is fair game, just because I have a different point of view? Don't worry, you're not alone. @mmo did exactly the same thing.

I was 'going on about' antifa.

This is exactly what I'm talking about! People think because they're of the more 'virtuous' viewpoint that somehow they're right, that everyone else is an extremist and any abuse is toward them is justified.


Abuse? What abuse?

If you're viewpoints are not rooted in fact, expect to be called out on them. If that's abuse to you, you need to stay off the internet.

Antifa are 'anti-fascist'. Not fascists pretending to be anti-fascist. They oppose what fascism stands for and those that attempt to promote it.

Now, stop playing the victim (classic Trump move when he's losing an argument) and either show me a left wing conspiracy theorist that has been embraced by mainstream liberals the way QAnon and Alex Jones are embraced by mainstream conservatives or admit that the right is far more extreme than the left when it come to the garbage they will believe to validate their views.


You've basically delegitimised my posts because of my views on brexit. I'm not playing the victim I'm merely stating fact.

Antifa are a violent hate filled mob. You don't fight violence with violence just like you don't use facist tactics to fight so called 'fascists' and you certainly don't get to define who is and who isn't a fascist. That's an extremely dangerous path to go down.

I've gave several examples online who appear on TV here. There are also several other very moderate conservative channels which have been demonetised by YouTube. I wasn't a viewer of Jones and have never heard of QAnon. One person who almost comes as close to being as crazy as Jones would be Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. She's an anti British, anti white writer who appears on mainstream media.


Writing books and columns from a Muslim or female view does not make one anti-British or anti-white.

Also, "antifa" march against neo-Nazis, KKK, white nationalists and racists. At a recent white nationalist rally in PDX, it was the white nationalists who were armed and the white nationalists who were baiting and taunting counter protesters. It was a white nationalists who rammed his car into a group of counter protesters in Charlottesville.

"Antifa" is just another way for the right to justify and accept racism and hate. Saying you are against "antifa" says, also, that you support racists and white power.
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:21 pm

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The left would largely align hemselfes with the policies of the UK Labour Party or the Democrats.

I don't know what the gay agenda is and I'm a gay man so can't help you there.


That doesn't sound very specific.

If I understand it, the gay agenda is a leftwing policy to get gays to be protected and accepted by society and make being gay OK and god forbid even normal. Leaflets were passed out to lefties everywhere and directed them to sign the agenda document when they were at the next available gay agenda meeting.

Tugg


I have not gotten my standard pink glitter invite to the next gay agenda meeting. When and where is it again?
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:28 pm

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I have not gotten my standard pink glitter invite to the next gay agenda meeting. When and where is it again?

Well they often hide them inside MLP and Brony conventions..... Shh don't tell anyone! (Also please note they are NOT connected to the conventions themselves, cuz' MLP and Brony's ain't gay! Some people keep getting confused by this.)

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A PSA by Tugger:

I would like to take a moment and apologize if I offended any Bronies or MLP FIM fans that are here on this site. Please do not take my comment above as an attack or insinuating anything improper or untoward. Just trying to help people find needed and valuable information.

Thank you.

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Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Was this guy connected to Russianvids as well on YouTube, curious as Russian disappeered to and all his accounts wiped. People share his stuff and its amazing what that guy came up with.
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The banning mechanism of these internet platforms are very frequently used by people with different opinions to suppress what they want to hear. Like recently I have read about some sort of movement promoted by left-leaning netizen in Japan and Korea to report against Youtube video that spread discriminatory opinions, but some videos like those that report inconvenient news like reports about Chinese people buying many lands in Hokkaido of Japan are also reported. Or how people are reporting accounts that promote independence of different part of China or territories that China claimed to own on the ground that they are promoting illegal activities and then get accepted by those social media platforms with bans enforced.
 
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:18 pm

Maybe they can put their white man's welfare social security disability checks where their teeth used to be and create their own platforms.
 
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:29 pm

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The banning mechanism of these internet platforms are very frequently used by people with different opinions to suppress what they want to hear. Like recently I have read about some sort of movement promoted by left-leaning netizen in Japan and Korea to report against Youtube video that spread discriminatory opinions, but some videos like those that report inconvenient news like reports about Chinese people buying many lands in Hokkaido of Japan are also reported. Or how people are reporting accounts that promote independence of different part of China or territories that China claimed to own on the ground that they are promoting illegal activities and then get accepted by those social media platforms with bans enforced.


I think the various social media sites have to work within the laws of other nations when in those other nations. There are still right wing sites and right wing speakers that have access to You Tube and Facebook and Insta and so forth. But, if they are encouraging violence, why do they need to be supported?
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c933103 wrote:
The banning mechanism of these internet platforms are very frequently used by people with different opinions to suppress what they want to hear. Like recently I have read about some sort of movement promoted by left-leaning netizen in Japan and Korea to report against Youtube video that spread discriminatory opinions, but some videos like those that report inconvenient news like reports about Chinese people buying many lands in Hokkaido of Japan are also reported. Or how people are reporting accounts that promote independence of different part of China or territories that China claimed to own on the ground that they are promoting illegal activities and then get accepted by those social media platforms with bans enforced.


I think the various social media sites have to work within the laws of other nations when in those other nations. There are still right wing sites and right wing speakers that have access to You Tube and Facebook and Insta and so forth. But, if they are encouraging violence, why do they need to be supported?

I mean, it does not seem like those social media platform care a lot about whether those deletion requests are actually reasonable or not, whether there are actually any hate speech or anything that promote violence in those videos or if there are actually anything that violate the laws in those accounts that are subjected to research, as long as there are enough people who feel like the content is objectionable and hit the report button frequent enough then those content will be removed. It is understandable that social media companies don't want to deal with accounts that many people dislike, but now that when people communicate mainly via these social media companies and all of them have the same tendency then it would be detrimental to the existence of different opinions in a society.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:14 am

Alex Jones has been doing the same thing every day for well over a decade, but Facebook, YouTube, and Apple all decide within hours that he suddenly violates their "community guidelines."

Err..... Okay.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:53 am

c933103 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
The banning mechanism of these internet platforms are very frequently used by people with different opinions to suppress what they want to hear. Like recently I have read about some sort of movement promoted by left-leaning netizen in Japan and Korea to report against Youtube video that spread discriminatory opinions, but some videos like those that report inconvenient news like reports about Chinese people buying many lands in Hokkaido of Japan are also reported. Or how people are reporting accounts that promote independence of different part of China or territories that China claimed to own on the ground that they are promoting illegal activities and then get accepted by those social media platforms with bans enforced.


I think the various social media sites have to work within the laws of other nations when in those other nations. There are still right wing sites and right wing speakers that have access to You Tube and Facebook and Insta and so forth. But, if they are encouraging violence, why do they need to be supported?

I mean, it does not seem like those social media platform care a lot about whether those deletion requests are actually reasonable or not, whether there are actually any hate speech or anything that promote violence in those videos or if there are actually anything that violate the laws in those accounts that are subjected to research, as long as there are enough people who feel like the content is objectionable and hit the report button frequent enough then those content will be removed. It is understandable that social media companies don't want to deal with accounts that many people dislike, but now that when people communicate mainly via these social media companies and all of them have the same tendency then it would be detrimental to the existence of different opinions in a society.


If one person on a platform is encouraging violence, something should be done. Alex Jones was not shut down because he has a far right wing opinions. It goes much, much deeper than that. If that were the only reason he were shut down, Hannity would have gone too. Sorry, but all of this fake outrage over "social media hates right wingers" does not fly.
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seb146 wrote:
c933103 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

I think the various social media sites have to work within the laws of other nations when in those other nations. There are still right wing sites and right wing speakers that have access to You Tube and Facebook and Insta and so forth. But, if they are encouraging violence, why do they need to be supported?

I mean, it does not seem like those social media platform care a lot about whether those deletion requests are actually reasonable or not, whether there are actually any hate speech or anything that promote violence in those videos or if there are actually anything that violate the laws in those accounts that are subjected to research, as long as there are enough people who feel like the content is objectionable and hit the report button frequent enough then those content will be removed. It is understandable that social media companies don't want to deal with accounts that many people dislike, but now that when people communicate mainly via these social media companies and all of them have the same tendency then it would be detrimental to the existence of different opinions in a society.


If one person on a platform is encouraging violence, something should be done. Alex Jones was not shut down because he has a far right wing opinions. It goes much, much deeper than that. If that were the only reason he were shut down, Hannity would have gone too. Sorry, but all of this fake outrage over "social media hates right wingers" does not fly.

Eh sorry I am not talking about this specific situation but about in general how these platforms can and do went overboard and that also happens very frequently in a way that 90% times we hear something about it from the news it's something like that. Perhaps it have something to do with the language barrier.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:30 am

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sevenair wrote:
There's a lot of anti Jewish conspiracy nonsense and that comes from the left largely and is currently rocking the official opposition party here in the UK. The extremists on the left want rid of Jews and Israel wiped off the map. Let's not go down the path of normalising anyone with extreme views on the right or the left.

Owen Jones writes for a very popular newspaper here and often appears on TV and his M.O. of dealing with anyone with different opinions is to bend them 'far right'.

The NHS conspiracy theorists push nonsense about it being sold off, privatised and given to the Americans and come after anyone who doesn't agree. We all support universal healthcare we just have different visions on how to provide it but that comes down to doing and saying what the left want or they'll come after you.

I remember seeing nonsense about how the 'Jews' were responsible for 9/11. Then you have fascists masquerading around as 'anti fascists'. You have widespread abuse of conservatives. You have violent hate mobs turning up to talks and intimidating those who want to attend.

I've never looked for a KKK video online so can't comment on wether or not they're banned but as they're a tiny proportion of conservatives and not representative of conservatives then I don't see the connection. I would hope that they are banned.

TYT have over 4,000,000 YouTube susceibers and I think Cenk has a few screws missing just like Alex Jones does. I'm very surprised that you've never heard of them as you claim to be be so prescient on all matters Alex Jones yet haven't heard of them. There's always been a bit of a feud between the two channels.


Is TYT 'The Young Turks'?

Anyway, I've seen your posts in the Brexit threads so I know to take everything you say with a huge grain of salt. Especially considering you threw out a lot of accusations with no links or sources. In fact, most of what you posted were right-wing conspiracy's (Jews being responsible for 9/11 in particular). I have no idea what your going on about with fascists. Here in the US, there are just fascist. And they all love Trump. The 'violent hate mobs' at right wing talks are probably protesters. Has a protest gotten out of hand in the past? Maybe, I don't know because you provided source for that statement, but even if it did, its irrelevant to the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is this:

The left makes bold political points, the right threatens Sandy Hook survivors

The left protest fascists, The right run over protesters with their cars.

The left has The Young Turks, whom I don't watch, but I gather they're biggest crime is being far left on the political spectrum. The right has QAnon, and is convinced there is an underground pedo-ring that has been running the government for years.

The boogyman (or bogeywoman) for the right in the US right now is a Democratic congressional candidate that supports expanded social programs. Meanwhile you have out and proud racists and fascists on the right.

ITS NOT EQUAL.

Until you find me a popular left-leaning figure that has come even close to spewing the outright lies and Alex Jones did with the intent of intimidating or even harming grieving families, you have nothing.


He's just a clown, a troll and I dare him to defend idiots who have stalked the parents of a dead six year old from Sandy Hook, so much so that they have had to move SEVEN times and that one of those vile idiots who support Jones, got 5 months in prison for repeatedly threatening parents who lost kids in that massacre, she did it following Jone's ranting about them.
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Can anyone cite some specific examples of 'hate speech' that came out of Jones' mouth?


His school shooting was a government red flag operation thingy would be enough to earn him a prison sentence here...

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Guys I searched for 'Manchester false flag' and have found dozens of conspiracy theorists and terror apologists claiming that Manchester was staged. That was an event where over 20 people, largely young girls were ripped apart by a terrorist bomb at a teen concert.

Could you guys help me by flagging them to YouTube?
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:03 am

Additionally I've found similar videos for 7/7, Brussels, Paris and Germanwings.

Reporting videos on YouTube is super easy. Click on the three dots on the top right hand side, then 'Report' and select the most appropriate option. What would you guys suggest? Is it 'Violent or repulsive content', 'hateful and abusive' or 'Spam or misleading'?
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The operators of websites like YouTube are trying to prevent costly lawsuits by those offended, in particular civil lawsuits in the litigious USA, lose ad revenues from boycotts or get into conflict with the laws of various countries that limit speech more than the USA does.
 
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The operators of websites like YouTube are trying to prevent costly lawsuits by those offended, in particular civil lawsuits in the litigious USA, lose ad revenues from boycotts or get into conflict with the laws of various countries that limit speech more than the USA does.

Quite the opposite. Under United States law, an online platform is not liable for statements made on its platform. A publisher, however, is liable. Editing content that does not directly call for violence or criminal acts arguably takes these sites into the realm of being a publisher and not a mere platform. Legal scholars have suggested that this increases the threat of liability rather than decreasing it. Which suggests that these actions are primarily motivated by other reasons.
 
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The operators of websites like YouTube are trying to prevent costly lawsuits by those offended, in particular civil lawsuits in the litigious USA, lose ad revenues from boycotts or get into conflict with the laws of various countries that limit speech more than the USA does.


Just as VT says, they have a blanket federal immunity called section 230 iirc. Those was well meant, but so broadly phrased that it even protects revenge porn hosters from liability in federal court, unless that has changed.

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Guys I searched for 'Manchester false flag' and have found dozens of conspiracy theorists and terror apologists claiming that Manchester was staged. That was an event where over 20 people, largely young girls were ripped apart by a terrorist bomb at a teen concert.

Could you guys help me by flagging them to YouTube?


Are you suggesting you really can't see the difference?

You can't see the difference between:

1 - Posting a nutty conspiracy theory video, like flat-earthers or 9/11 'truthers' (who don't deny 3,000 people died).

2 - Posting a nutty conspiracy theory video about Sandy Hook, hurling hate speech towards the parents of dead kids, defaming said parents by claiming they're actors and finally inciting violence towards those parents.

If you can't see the difference, I don't think you can be helped.

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Reporting videos on YouTube is super easy. Click on the three dots on the top right hand side, then 'Report' and select the most appropriate option. What would
you guys suggest?


Well done! If a video offends you, report it. Enjoy!
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Thoughts and prayers to all those affected.
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:27 pm

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sevenair wrote:
Guys I searched for 'Manchester false flag' and have found dozens of conspiracy theorists and terror apologists claiming that Manchester was staged. That was an event where over 20 people, largely young girls were ripped apart by a terrorist bomb at a teen concert.

Could you guys help me by flagging them to YouTube?


Are you suggesting you really can't see the difference?

You can't see the difference between:

1 - Posting a nutty conspiracy theory video, like flat-earthers or 9/11 'truthers' (who don't deny 3,000 people died).

2 - Posting a nutty conspiracy theory video about Sandy Hook, hurling hate speech towards the parents of dead kids, defaming said parents by claiming they're actors and finally inciting violence towards those parents.

If you can't see the difference, I don't think you can be helped.


But has he done that recently? I honestly don’t know.

Banning someone for something they did long in the past isn’t justifiable.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:15 pm

IMHO, a better option would have been to remove the offending posts and/or videos. Alex Jones interviewed politicians, activists, journalists, and all kinds of public figures over the years. Now those archives are simply gone. Too bad for researchers and historians. It was more important that we be protected from the entirety of his speech rather than the more narrow specific policy breaking content.
 
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Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:41 pm

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IMHO, a better option would have been to remove the offending posts and/or videos. Alex Jones interviewed politicians, activists, journalists, and all kinds of public figures over the years. Now those archives are simply gone. Too bad for researchers and historians. It was more important that we be protected from the entirety of his speech rather than the more narrow specific policy breaking content.


Looks like some posts got removed, so I'll reiterate:

These archives are not simply gone. They're just not on platforms widely available to the mass public now. Should historians want to document the downfall of America, they will still have plenty of access to black box that is Infowars and the Alex Jones rage parade.

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