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Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Mon Aug 06, 2001 8:04 pm

Does anyone know how many babies have been born while in flight?

A question for the statisticians among you .... When a child is born on an airplane in flight, how is the "place of birth" decided upon?

Should it be: "Undetermined"; or perhaps "Aboard a Boeing".

Or .... Would the place of the infant's birth be the location over which the aircraft was flying at the time?

Interesting dilemma, don't you think?

I'm sure this has happened numerous times in the past. Was just curious as to how (and who) decides the exact place of birth [not that it's really very important at all actually].

I think it would be ultra-cool indeed to answer someone's question of "Where were you born?" with .... "Inside a Boeing 777-300, travelling at 585 MPH somewhere over the Pacific Ocean!"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:22 pm


Hmmmm, I somehow remember reading somewhere that 10 people die onboard LH flights each year on average. That same article stated that births were about half of that, so LH has a negative result bottom line Big grin. No, I´m not sure about these numbers (but they aren´t pure speculation either).

As to what place of birth is put into your birth certificate/passport - no idea! All I know is that kids who were born on a plane or ship which is registered in a country whose legal system adheres to the ius soli principle automatically obtain the citizemship of that country. E.g. if you´re born onboard an N-registered plane on a domestic Mexican flight - bingo, you won the jackpot Big grin.

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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:25 pm

Some airlines allow you to fly life-time free if you are born on one of their aircraft, from what I have heard.
 
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Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:52 pm

This is supposed to be true:
If you have a british mother, a danish father, born in a N-reg ac in french airspace you get 4 nationalities.

WHY?
UK gives nationality based on mothers nationality
DK gives nationality based on fathers nationality
US + F give nationality all born on their terrotory
 
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Mon Aug 06, 2001 9:56 pm

I doubt the French part; reason: according to international public law you´re NOT in France at that moment, only in the country whose flag the aircraft is bearing. Regardless of whether the plane is flying or not.

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Mon Aug 06, 2001 10:18 pm

The "Place of Birth" field in the passport of a person born on a plane says "International Airspace"

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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Mon Aug 06, 2001 11:24 pm

I know that a passenger, who dies in the air, is considered as dead only when the aircraft has landed and not before. This is to facilitate the paperwork issues and problems.
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Tue Aug 07, 2001 1:17 am

I thought airlines didn't allow women who are 7 months pregnant (or more) to travel. Is this not true? I know that this is difinitely the case on international travel.

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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Tue Aug 07, 2001 3:39 am

Delta has no travel restrictions for pregnant women on any of their flights/ domestic or international.
 
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Tue Aug 07, 2001 3:40 am

You´re both right and wrong. It differs from airline to airline - some have strict deadlines, some don´t - they rely on certificates given by the woman´s doctor, for example. And then, imagine a woman pregnant 9 months shows up at the airport for boarding - do you think the check in staff will address her about that? My guess is they´ll close an eye or two, hope nothing happens and let her board instead of all the hassle and discussions. And in 99 out of 100 cases probably they´re right. Hey, they might even not notice (or chosse not to notice  Big grin).
And, last not least, perfectly healthy babies can be born after 7 months.

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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Tue Aug 07, 2001 4:46 am

If you fly over a country like Ireland or something, thats where you were born. Big grin As for the Pacific oOcean, well, tat's another story

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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Tue Aug 07, 2001 5:08 am

OH-LZA is right. It says "International Airspace" in the passport. Pretty cool if you ask me...  Smokin cool

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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Wed Aug 08, 2001 5:10 am

I believe it is when the plane lands. Same reason as deaths. And in most cases to be officially dead, you need a paramedic/doctor etc. to pronounce you dead. But I could very well be wrong.
 
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:04 am

Hey, we need a definitive answer on this citizenship issue. I teach a unit on citizenship to 7th graders and we have frequently pondered the trans-oceanic birth question. Any lawyers present?
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Wed Aug 08, 2001 8:20 am

Generally, a physician will not clear a woman to fly if she is in the final stages of pregnancy and could deliver at any time. However, if there is an event of fetal compromise while airborne, and the woman goes into labor, we try to land the aircraft as soon as is practical, so that the child can be delivered in formal medical facilities and, if a situation arises where the infant needs immediate medical attention, it can be received without delay and further damage.
 
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Wed Aug 08, 2001 3:04 pm

Well, this is what I've heard..

If your parents are US citizens, and you are born OUTSIDE the US, you have US Citzenship..

AC_A340, what if there is a doctor on the plane?

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RE: Sleekjet

Wed Aug 08, 2001 9:43 pm


If you are onboard an airliner or ship, international law says you´re in the country whose flag the craft is entitled to fly.
So, in the case of N-registered aircraft, you are on American soil the moment you step aboard. Giving that you have the ius soli in the US, being born in a US plane (i.e. on US soil) makes you an American citizen.

The airspace (both above and below the aircraft) however belongs to the country you´re flying over. But since you´re born in that little pressurised "enclave", you´re born in the plane´s country.

So, unless you are in Antarctica or swim through international waters on your own, you are always in one country or the other.

Hope that helps.

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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Wed Aug 08, 2001 9:56 pm

Ok here is a question.

If memory serves the assumed average per passenger is 175lbs per person.

Chances are that mom and baby where counted as one person before that flight for weight and balance purposes.

So do you now have to amend the W&B paperwork because after that baby is born both it and mom weight the assumed 175lbs?
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Wed Aug 08, 2001 11:55 pm

I clarified this situation with my dad who has had 4 inflight births in international airspace over the last 37 years (that he can remember, there might have been more).

The baby initially assumes the nationality of the MOTHER for immediate arrival formalities. Remember, the baby has to be classified as a national of some country to complete the paperwork when the plane lands! The nationality of the father is irrelevant until a birth certificate naming him as father is prepared, which cannot be done inflight. In the event of the mother becoming deceased at delivery, the child is treated as a ward of the state whose flag operation is being conducted, and NOT that of the state whose registration is carried on the aircraft (if it is different). If the mother carries dual nationality, then the nationality of the documentation used to make the current flight is considered to be the primary citizenship. The airspace being flown over at the time of delivery is totally irrelevant. The aircraft and all enclosed within it is considered to be the soil of the country whose flag it is flying and the child *may* be entitled to that nationality depending upon individual country laws on the issue.
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RE: Giving Birth Aboard A Jetliner

Thu Aug 09, 2001 5:21 am

According to what we were told in inflight training years ago, a woman on a Pan Am flight gave birth over international waters and the place of birth was given as the latitude and longitude at the time. Because the child was born on a U.S. flag carrier, it was given status as an American national.

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