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Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:28 am

More than 1,000 Sabena employees are on strike. The strikes, which are by the way not organised by the unions (but, however, they recognize and support them) , turned BRU into full chaos.

First of all, employees from the handling department decided to go on strike. Later on, they were followed by employees from the Catering and Cleaning departments. Most of the pilots and FA's as well as check-in agents however wish to continue to work for the moment.

Nevertheless, more than 90 flights already have been cancelled. The other flights were often delayed.

Passengers had to walk their own baggage to and from the aircraft.

Also, the employees blocked the access roads to the airport this afternoon. And, they even went on the ramp on the air-side of the airport, and tried to get support from other Sabena employees.

As you can see, things got quite messy (again) over here in BRU. I wonder what the employees are going to do tomorrow, when the BoD meet somewhere near the airport (the village of Woluwe).

I can imagine that many passengers really are fed up with all these strikes. Once again, they are the true victims of this strike, and I think these latest strikes will seriously harm the image of Sabena.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:35 am

I found a news article on the following website:

http://news.airwise.com/cgi-bin/story?name=2001/08/997270543.html

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:36 am

The Dutch news said that a strike tomorrow may be very likely.
The employees are striking due to the reorganisation SN has to make to become profitable again. The employees heard on the news the SN staff is most likely going to fire a lot of people.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:40 am

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 3:13 am

My information is that some 2,000 people will be retrenched; a number of aircraft are to be sold and routes shut down.

Amazingly, given that Sabena is in such dire financial straits, their employees (some at any rate) expect jobs for life!  Insane  Insane As i've said before, it's a sick dog that needs to be put out of its misery - and if these idiots have anything to do with it, that's exactly what will happen in the near future.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 3:30 am

I don't understand this crazy workers. By all respect, when will they finally realize that this silly strikes will never help.

When you have an oversized and loss making company, you can reorganize it and make it less money-wasting. Or you can go on like now until the company breaks down, completly.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:47 am

It is bad that they want to strike, but the majority does not wan't to strike, that's the sad part that a few hundred people jeopardise the jobs of thousands others by blocking everything and threating working employees.
There are to many people at Sabena that are there for political reasons, if they would go and everybody would look ahaed then I am sure that Sabena has a future!
But certainly not with these wild union strikes, they lead nowhere.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:54 am

Why are they blocking the access to the airport (if that info is true)? The airport is not exclusevly serving Sabena aircrafts, and therefore aren't they inconveniancing other airlines' travelers?
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 4:57 am

Let me understand, the airline is hanging on by a thread financially so its own employees decide to hasten its demise by striking and driving away what's left of its customer base?

As I've said before on this forum, good riddance!
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 5:08 am

I have lost all respect for those employees that are striking today. All they're doing is digging a grave. And it's a big one. Their own and that of the 9000 SN employees that choose NOT to strike. My heart goes out to those 9000 people.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 5:15 am

I agree with you Juul, they should fire those people and then the problem of to many employees is solved.
Those 9000 people want to give Sabena a future, they don't
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 6:06 am

I think Juul and Maverickk are right. I can understand why these employees went on strike (the uncertainty is killing them I think.), but I don't think it's a good thing to do right now. It's definitely not the RIGHT thing to do at this very moment.

Instead, they should try to improve the image on Sabena, and offer service that's second to none. But, the only thing that they're doing right now is destroying what's left of the good image of Sabena, and they are also disturbing operations of other airlines. So, I think that Sabena can expect some damage claims during the following days. Too bad.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 6:31 am

I totally agree. what happened today is totally irresponsable and foolish.
That is also the reason why the pilots specifically refused to take part in these actions!!!

It is too early to take any positions because the plan is not known yet. Those guys just heard something, they think " well we have the necessary money so we are all set" and they strike!!!!
Hereby jeopardising the jobs of 9000 others at SABENA, taking pax as hostage ( 90 flights cancelled today at SN alone!!!), blocking runways and accesroads to the airport and so on. What are they thinking....

We knew months ago that it was going to hurt, we knew that everything is for sale except flight-ops and handling...and yet they act now as if they where totally unaware!!!

Hereby undermining the confidence we finally begun to regain with the pax (occupation rates rising) and the confidence of shareholders and possible future partner airlines....
This is the best way to lead to the final closure of the company and they are totally unaware!!!

Today I had a flight return BRU. We had 4 hours delay, no catering on board including beverages (ATH-BRU full) and upon arrival in BRU we had to look for our own stairs, flight and cabin crew unloaded!!! the airplane and the pax had to walk on the tarmack to look for their lugage!!! Nice publicity!!!

This is no way of working!! Although I totally reject CEILLIDH f****** reply for the 1000th time (go and play with your matchbox boy!!!) and I will continue to do my outmost best to save this company (together with 9000 others by the way) I am starting to loose faith a little bit.....


 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 6:43 am

Airbuspilot, I totaly agree with you. Just have to wait a few more hours to know exactly what will be our future.

Concerning Ceilidh: GO TO HELL and STAY THERE. Don't waist our time with your sh..y mails anymore.
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 8:04 am

Apuneger wrote:
"Once again, they [the passengers] are the true victims of this strike, and I think these latest strikes will seriously harm the image of Sabena."

Absolutely right, but in the long run the true victims may be the workers at BRU, not just SN employees, but all of them.

This strike is of course an important nail which may be the deciding one to secure the lid on the SN coffin.

Pax with BRU as destination won't have much choise, but today thousands of BRU pax learned a lesson. Tomorrow they will, each one of them, tell ten other people , who will tell... etc. And the greater part of the world's frequent flyers will know don't ever transit through BRU if it can be avoided. That is the textbook example about how to shrink a major international airport into a "pretty large regional" airport.

The pilots, they will find jobs in surrounding countries, no problem. But the airport workers, they will line up in a long queue of former aviation workers seeking a non-aviation job. If SN survives, then the queue will be shorter, but it will be there. Because of what happened today.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 2:48 pm

Well, it's like they say: Such A Bloody Experience Never Again!

Don't be discouraged though. One can always drive to Charleroi and fly Ryanair!
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 5:36 pm

Planeguy ....one more stupid guy on this forum !!!
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 6:41 pm

Every now and then, vermin will craw from under their rocks and show their real faces. And it's not a pretty sight.
Amazingly, I'm sure these people won't even realise they lie at the core of this statement. As Spitfire said: stop wasting our time and don't wear out our eyes with statements you pull out of your rear ends.

In disgust,

TriStar.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 8:03 pm

Planeguy,

Oh how very original you are! We've never heard that one before! Thought you'd make yourself interesting by playing yet again the very same stupid, mindless word-game that we've heard thousands of times before, usually from people like yourself, who are too CHICKEN to say who they are. Let me take a guess: you've never flown Sabena, have you?

Please join that creep Ceilidth and get a life! Preferably outside of these forums.

Greetings Big grin
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:44 pm

UPDATE:


Today, thursday, almost the same story as yesterday. Once again, many European flights (only the Sabena ones) had to be cancelled.

Once again, more than 1 000 workers (handling, catering, technics, cleaning) went on strike.

Many passengers had to look for an available seat on another airline, such as Alitalia and Iberia just to name two.

They even tried to disrupt the very important company council, and sort of menaced CEO Christoph Müller. He had to be walked into the building where the company council was held, accompanied by 3 or 4 body guards.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:48 pm

Juul, could you explain me what is so bad in what Planeguy has said? I'm an outsider to BRU/SN issues, so I hope explain to us what is so bad in statemant he had made.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Thu Aug 09, 2001 10:57 pm

KUGN,

The 'Such a Bloody .....' statement is about as old as the company itself, is way past its days of being funny, and is, in this situation, with 10000 jobs on the line, inappropriate to say the least, especially when coming from somebody like Planeguy, who most probably has never ever flown SN in his whole life.

I was not reacting to what he said about Ryanair, if that's what you were thinking. Nothing wrong with some competition.

Greetings Big grin
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:05 am

Here is the real situation:

Wednesday, 08 August

Consequences of industrial actions :

- Operational data : Production plans were adapted well in time in order to allow ground operations to reorganize the work on tarmac and in order to be able to give correct information to our passengers
Due to the efforts of all personnel involved, no extra cancellations were needed,eesulting in : 86 flights cancelled out of 226 flights planned : 31 on SN A/C, 43 on DAT A/C and 12 on others Long Haul flights : all 12 flights were operated

- Impact on passengers : - Almost all flights Europe left without catering, inbound flights were catered in outstations - Vouchers were distributed to compensate lack of catering on flights of more than 1 hour 30 minutes - Bags to be carried by passengers to/from aircraft on departure and arrival - Maximum of transfer passengers were rerouted avoiding Brussels

- Impact on third parties : These flights were given priority for handling, but suffered delay due to the industrial action

Thursday, 09 August

Consequences of industrial actions :

- Production plans : - morning wave (until 09.00h local time) : normal operation
- between 09.00h and 14.00h local time : SN : 16 flights cancelled out of 31 flights planned,
DAT : 24 flights cancelled out of 31 flights planned
- between 14.00h and 19.00h local time SN : 9 flights cancelled out of 23 flights planned
DAT : 9 flights cancelled out of 26 flights planned
- all 12 long haul flights are maintained
- Impact on passengers : - as stated above - no major delay in handling long haul arrivals
- half of flights Europe out of Brussels were catered with sandwiches in order to limit voucher distribution

This clearly shows that a lot of volunteers are doing their outmost best to serve our clients, the pax. They are taking the crap caused by 500!! brainless people who think we still live in the golden 70s where everything was still possible (parastatale!).

I know that we as pilots did strike to a couple of months ago. But this was a well organised action to state a point. We all knew we would be there just untill noon and we never took pax as a hostage. We did not block a runway and we did not strike today and yesterday!!!What is happening now is an outrage!!Th fact that Muller had to come in protected by bodyguards---->are these the middle ages??Those guys did not even know what they where talking about!!!(I hope one of them has the brains to read this posting...)

1 hour ago they announced 1420 people will get fired. There are 10000 people working at SN and once again they talk about 800 people to get sacked amongst flying personnel (600 cabin crew and + 200 pilots). Is this serious?? Wer have a meeting with our CEO this evening, I am very interested but it sure does not look good for aviation in Belgium.

With regrets,

 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:17 am

First info concerning the Müller Businees Plan:
job lost: 1421 up to 2002, in wich 608 Cabin Crew (about 30% of total !).
More to come soon.
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:26 am

It's attitudes like those of Spitfire, Juul and Airbuspilot that typify those of Sabena employees. They expect jobs for life - yet are not prepared to go the extra mile to do what it takes to create a world class company. They are not interested in customer service nor in cutting costs - check out the salaries of some of the senior SN crew members!! You think the Delta/American guys are on big bucks ... wait until you see them (and how little flying they actually do)!!

I have flown SN many, many times. I'm a TravelClub member, and I generally fly J class (F, when they had it, on the JNB route). I've run a cargo airline based out of Ostend that operated codeshare cargo services to the Middle and Far East; together with West Africa and South America. I've run a passenger airline that has provided pax feed from BJM to KGL and EBB. I've bought an F28 from DAT.

And I can attest to this - Sabena, deep down (not on the surface, where it doesn't really matter) HAS NOT CHANGED. The civil service/government employee attitute of "I'm all right; they can't fire me, this is a job for life" still permeates the company. And that old saying still holds as true today as it ever has: SABENA - SUCH A BLOODY EXPERIENCE, NEVER AGAIN!

To the Belgian government, I say this - think of your taxpayers; think of Sabena's passengers and other customers.

CLOSE SABENA DOWN - NOW!!!
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:39 am

That's EXACTLY what I was waiting from your CEILIDH. You show to the entire aviation world who your are realy. Nice demonstration. We have nothing to add...  Big thumbs up
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:41 am

Ceilidh, “dank u wel et merci encore” for this deep hearted wish for all sabena’s families who could suffer from a bankrupcy, regardless of the good or bad opportunity of this strike…a lot of people can be criticized for the current bad situation but wishing a closure of the company is at a very low level of the debate…
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:45 am

The poor ones that will be fired will probably be all the ones without any trade union memberships.
All the trade union's leaders that have contributed over the years to Sabena's downfall will keep their jobs and salary. Bloody Sabena. Hope they will survive because their experience and history is so valuable.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 12:56 am

Hey Ceilidh,
Do you know what masochist mean ?
How can you hate Sabena so much while you're a travelclub member ? There's something seriously wrong whith you !!! One thing you can be sure of : if I ever find out you're on board one of my flights, that will be the worst flight you will ever have.
And now as you wish my company to die, I wish the same to you !!!!
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:01 am

For your info CEILLIDH, I AM one of the younger pilots in risk of loosing its job but at least I have a basic notion of manners and morality.

I still am capable of believing in something and I am still willing to fight for that.
It is guys like you who are ruining the world of aviation: egocentric, greedy, inapt and unknowing amateurs who think they possess all the knowledge of the world.How many lives have you allready ruined mister hotshot manager.If I may believe your previous postings here (if I may???) than you allready runned several companies in the aviation businness a,d you allready went bancrupt several times....nice resume !

And pleaase shut the fuck up now, you already deserved your place in h$$$!
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:18 am

Once again Ceilidh just causes trouble. Claimed to have 4000+ hours in command of heavy jets. Claimed to have run all sorts of aviation companies. Just a dreamer an a trouble maker.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:20 am

OOH, i did forget one thing!

Please tell all the people her how much a senior SN crew member earns an please tell them how less we fly...Please do.
And please make a comparison with DELTA....

That way I will not have to proof how full of shit you really are because you do not know anything at all.

I hope once I will have the pleasure to kick you off an airplane!!!Hopefully the stairs will allready be removed and tha plane is allready rolling....
OOh and before you make any weak remarks about proffesionalism and so on, this was only a matter of speech.....
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:21 am

There comes a time when everything must end. The better people, I am sure, will find jobs elsewhere - for example Ryanair or Virgin. Unfortunately, Sabena effectively killed CityBird with its childish actions, so there will be no home for SN staff there.

SN should have been shut down many years ago - instead the Belgian government has continued to pour billions of francs worth of taxpayers money into it - to the detriment of independent carriers such as Victor Hasson's CityBird - and we now have this situation where there is no future for it (and therefore employees) yet still an element strikes!!

Really, this is well beyond a joke...
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:44 am

AirbusPilot :

I find you a bit agressive. I think the most privileged people within Sabena are the Airbus pilot who undergo a much lower amont of work (eg : flat rate) than anyone else within the group. The comparaison with DAT pilots is ashaming for you. You earn 7 to 10 times more money than those "stupid loaders or cabin cleaners". Those guys are fighting also in their life and I think they've stayed quite cool and wise so far if you consider the situation of the last 6 months.

Regards,

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:47 am

There are some Sabena employees on this forum who understandably do not have the perspective or detachment to see clearly what is happening. I can understand their emotionalism because they are directly affected. But, airlines are a competitive business and decisions have to be made in a global environment. I've been downsized and survived...even better off. Sabena employees shouldn't fear the future. Others of us on this forum should not be attacked as I have and others are for merely stating our opinions about Sabena, good or bad.
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:50 am

Well well well,

1)do you really think that virgin express would still be here if it was not for the flights they do for SN.FCU,BCN, LHR all those flights they do on behalf of SN . Those flights are the most succesfull flights for SN but they generate huge profits for vex because SN pays 400 bef too much per seat( 400 bef above marketprice)

2)Citybird did its fleetrenewal on the back of SN. We dry leased 2 MD11's for a price that was way to high. We could have bought those airplanes for that price!

3)Victor Hasson. Owned allready 4 airlines, all of them went bancrupt within 5 years.Probably a personal friend of yours????

4)If RYANAIR would play it by the rules and would have to pay as all the other airlines there is simply no way it would survive. The get payed by the Walloons in Charleroi to fly there!!!!And then I even do not mention that they come and steel our jobs on the Belgian market. Who would like it if a forreign carrier came to you country without hiring any pilot in your country!!!
RYANAIR does not pay back its pax when a flight is cancelled, there is no personal assistance,...there even is no safety!!!!
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:52 am

As it happens, I think that DAT is a much more professional and better run company that Sabena ever was. Hopefully, they will be able to continue flying long after Sabena has been grounded.

AirbusPilot - your post typifies the arrogance of Sabena pilots who think that they are so much better than all other Belgian pilots. Well, I've got news for you - you aren't. If Sabena collapses, I'm sure you'd be more than happy for a job at DAT!! Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:56 am

FLYIN BELGIAN,

make your homework better next time. I earn 2.5 time more than a baggagist but I did have to study 3 years and I have to pay-off 2.5 million Bef for this...

Compared to other pilots within SN-group, we are not that much priviliged. I agree a guy at DAT flies more but he also earns more than I do! And I certainly do not want to start a discussion between SN-pilots. We fly the same amount of hours but they do shorter stretches...
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:56 am

If Ryanair was paid by the waloons so was Sabena by the Belgian Government during 50 years SabenaPilot ???

The way you say that is disgusting... Don't you think that if Ryanair didn't establish in Charleroi it'd have gone to Antwerp or Ostend thanks to the Flemish money ???

I let you appreciate...

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 1:59 am

Do you know who are in charge of DAT for the last years ????? Guess.... No, not Ceilidh!! (they would have faced bancrupt already...).
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:20 am

Flying Belgian: It's true that Sabena has got money from the Belgian State, but the Belgian State has always been a shareholder of Sabena (now 50.5%)!!
The gouvernment of Wallonië isn't a shareholder of Ryanair.

Update:
- 1512 workers will be fired before the end of 2002
- 2 longhaul and 7 middlehaul flights will be cancelled
- Several planes will be sold
- After a few years, Sabena will buy smaller ones (if Sabena earns money again)
- Technics, Catering, Hotels, Cargo Handling and Sobelair will be sold
- And last but not least: a possible namechange.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:22 am

A NAMECHANGE???????
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:25 am

Yes, in the new of 19h in Belgium,
Müller declared that Sabena needs to clean up their name and if needed change their name.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:25 am

Airbuspilot - how can you say that Ryanair ""has no safety"? They are a considerably safer company to fly on than SN ... they haven't had any crashes or even any mysterious hangar fires  Big grin ...

As for CityBird, most of their problems can be traced back to the lawsuit by Sabena, when LAC leased one of their 767s to operate FIH-BRU. Not that SN was operating the route at the time; or that they were interested in leasing aircraft to LAC - nope, all they wanted to do was put CityBird out of business! Then they did the same thing a few months back with Ryanair ... but it backfired, didn't it, when Ryanair had to put price comparisons so that the Belgian passengers could really see how much they were being ripped off by Sabena!! Big grin Big grin Big grin

Finally, if you and DAT pilots fly the same number of hours but they fly shorter stretches, then that means they are flying more sectors which is a lot more stressful. Long haul pilots are basically systems monitors - it's a fact of life - whereas the short-haul guys are 'hands on' much more of the time.

Spitfire - Sure, Sabena have owned DAT. That's not in dispute. What I've said is that their management and operation seems to be so much better than the parent company's....

 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:29 am

I have my reservations about the name-change...

This would mean spending LOTS of money to change all the logos, they'd have to re-paint the whole fleet (yet again, for the third time in 10 years!), adverstising (you'd want people to know that new name, wouldn't you?), etc.

Doesn't seem to be a good idea...
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:34 am

You're right!

Same thing: Technics has profit, why sell it? I think Sobelair also has profit, but I don't know that exactly.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:35 am

I agree with Juul over this ... there are much better things to be doing rather than just changing the name of the company! If you change the name, but not the culture (which in my opinion is where the real problem is) then nothing changes.
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:40 am

Well, Technics being profitable, they'll probably get a good price for it, which is what it's all about: raising money. BTW, are you sure they're going to sell technics?

I don't think Sobelair's profitable. Might be wrong, though...
 
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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:42 am

I'm not sure, i can only say what they say at the news.

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RE: Chaos At BRU, As SN Employees Strike

Fri Aug 10, 2001 2:43 am

Great Ceilidh...
You must hope Sabena to die, but do not forget something; as we said here in Belgium, "si tu souhaites la mort de qq'un il vivra 7 ans de plus" (if you wish someone to die, he' s going to live 7 more years!)
So, due to the fact that Sabena a grand old Lady is, she will certainly live 7 more years each times you hope her to die!!

But maybe my comment is too hard to understand for you...????

With no greetings for you!

Benjamin

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