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Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 1:53 am

What airlines do you think will purchase the Boeing Sonic Cruiser, and why?
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 1:56 am

Both American and Contiental sound really impresses with it and have said they would order it. This is IF it meets the guarantees by Boeing which won't be that easy.
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:00 am

Any long-haul operator who wants a bigger slice of the premium fare traffic would have to consider the BSC. Time is money...
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:56 am

I think it will be primarily airlines that count on business travelers for a lot of their revenue. Primarily BA,AA,CO,UA,Delta and Lufthansa. Boeing will sell a few of the airplanes, but I think the Sonic Cruiser will make costs too high to consider it a succesful aircraft. The hour it will save crossing the Atlantic is not enough for someone on vacation to pay the extra cost.
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:58 am

Lufthansa have ruled it out I think.
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:59 am

Yeah, the Concorde is more worth the money.

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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:07 am

But sadly Concorde cannot go on forever. BA will probably buy the SC if it looks viable. It would be useful on long-range routes where the time saved is more worthwhile, and the SC would fit in well with BA's current business plans.
Eventually it would be used on the North Atlantic route too, but what BA really want is a viable Mach 2 aircraft. Trouble is, apart from the probably insurmountable techincal and enviromental hurdles, BA are about the only airline who have expressed the desire for such an aircraft in recent years.
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:02 am

DeltaOwnsAll What airlines do you think will purchase the Boeing Sonic Cruiser, and why?

These are cute questions, DeltaOwnsAll, especially at this completely preliminary stage of the SC's product development. But CV640's given some clues, of course AA and CO as mighty big Boeing customers in their own right, would be expected to declare interest early-on, in using the plane.

I think really just wait a few years first and see not just how the rest of the industry evolves, but also what more comes out of Boeing HQ beyond just a conceptual design picture, at an inaugural press conference for it.
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:25 am

I proposed: luxair, Sabena, Pan am and ... Tarom

LOL  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:48 am

I could be wrong but I thought that boeing decided not to even make the BSC or was it the 747X?
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:00 am

That was the 747X.
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:26 am

Since Boeing and Airbus have effectively conceded the super-jumbo and the high-sonic markets to each other, I would expect both aircraft to be scrutinized by all major and many minor airlines.

If there is a unique product that appears to be viable for your fleet, you won´t care whether you´re a longtime customer of that specific manufacturer.

The only thing that will count is whether it´s viable. And for the SC we will know when Boeing will have frozen the design and is starting formal offers with fixed specs.

This will get interesting. Good luck to them!
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:36 am

In the U.S., United and American have already placed their orders for the Sonic Cruiser. I think British Airways, Qantas, and SQ will also. Just my two cents.

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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:44 am

I wouldn't compare the Sonic Cruiser with the Concorde. It's a complelty different design.

If the Sonic Cruiser will become reality, and if it will be fuel-efficient, it could become a best-seller, which every airline will need to stay in the business.

It could bring the same revolution as the first jetliners, which replaced the propliners. Of course, it will need some 5-15 years until the Sonic Cruiser will become a "must" for the airline, but who knows, perhaps the SC will be the future of aviation...

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B757-223

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:54 am

B757-223: In the U.S., United and American have already placed their orders for the Sonic Cruiser.

I find that just a little unlikely, since both actual performance and price of the product are still unknown. Not to speak of it´s catalog number...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:26 am

Yes B757-300, could you provide maybe a few details, about these alleged UA and AA SC orders? (like..press release dates.. quantities.. cost figures would be nice. Anything  Big grin)
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:28 am

sorry, typo on the name there, B757-223  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:50 am

1. Boeing people aren't idiots. They wouldn't dive into a project that received any
less than strong interest.

2. SC is more than just a speedup. It'll supposedly have 10,000 nm range or more,
which is enough to fly anywhere in the world non-stop, literally.


With that in mind, long haul operators, especially those that might carry business
customers, will be interested. Cathay, BA, AA, CO, among others. If the ticket
price is not too much above normal, maybe even high volume airlines like Quantas
will be interested. One thing for sure, SC won't be like the Concorde. It won't be nearly
as expensive and will have phenomenal range. If you consider the fact that
on very long trips, layovers can add up to 5 or more hours, the range offers
almost as much time savings as speed.
 
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B808/a400

Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:58 am

so boeing did not dive into the b2707, the b747-X and into the b767-400? oh - what about the 747sp? anyway - i dont think that such mishaps make one an idiot.

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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 7:06 am

B808/A400 1. Boeing people aren't idiots.

I don't know about you but I haven't seen a whole lot of people,at ALL, say that they are. So why present it here, in such stark and defensive terms?


SC is more than just a speedup. It'll supposedly have 10,000 nm range or more,
which is enough to fly anywhere in the world non-stop, literally.


Well I heard 9500, but anyway it's a completely moot point. There's only one REAL major unreachable city-pair out there right now, which is SYD-LHR . Especially after the 345 and 772LR get in service, very shortly.

Anyway the main thing is, seems to me anyway, not much point speculating about any of the business-related aspects of the craft, at least not for another few years until Boeing starts releasing some news about how the development's going, and what the specifications are gonna be.

 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 8:28 am

If the Sonic Cruiser (which I think Boeing should start calling the 787) can meet the range of the 744,772.773,MD-11,and A340, I think UAL would be a prospective customer in its quest to chop a few more hours off those long,long flights to HKG,SYD, and the like.



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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 8:36 am

Any chance of DL purchasing the BSC?
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 8:45 am

If AA/UA orders SC, I wouldn't be surprised that DL/CO/NW will orders them as well. It would be a hugh competition if one of those airline didn't buy SC when the others orders them.

SIA is also evaluating SC too.
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 9:37 am

B808/A400,

You claim that SC will be able to go anywhere,...well it is a twin, so ETOPS will prevent a few routes,...
 
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RE: Rabenschlag

Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:10 am

The only one of the four you mentioned with signifigant development costa was the 2707. The 2707 costs were paid by the government of the US, as were the costs on the Concorde paid by the governments of Britain and France. The others did take a bit of engineering but they were/are/will be built on the same line as their more successful brethern.
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Catpac

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:14 pm

How do you know it's a twin? There may be two engines per nacelle, like in the
Concorde. Besides, who says it can't be developed to have an ETOPS rating of
120 or more. With this rating, it could fly LHR-SYD, according to the Great Circle
Mapper.

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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:44 pm

B808/A400 How do you know it's a twin? There may be two engines per nacelle

Yes, and talk about reserving the right to make design changes, too! Big grin

The buzz, apparently even from Boeing early this year to the trade mags, was that they were firm about the twin-engine configuration. But who knows, we'll see as the months and years go by.
 
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:48 pm

A plane doesn't have to be sold in mass numbers to be successful, it just has to have a consistent market IMP&HO. Yes, this is an aviation forum, but don't only factor aviation into your arguments (eg. fuel efficiency, etc.). This plane would present great marketability to any airline who ownes it. Say AA operates only three. The fact just that they have such a "cool" plane in their colors is a huge sales pitch. Figured I'd throw in something new.
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 7:31 pm

There is a market for the SC but it doesn't seem to be REPLACING any particular aircraft. There are biz travellers who would like to pay an extra 20% or whatever to save an hour but there isn't a tourist alive who would pay that to save an hour when they could spend that money where they're going.

What the airlines need is capacity. I can think of a lot of airlines that would buy a small number to operate alongside 747-400s and A380s to cater to business traffic (say, for JFK, NRT, LHR, CDG, EZE, SYD). But no-one is going to replace their 767s or A330s to do the same job with any aircraft that has operating expenses even 1% higher.

Richard Branson said it best, unwittingly: "I am very excited by this breakthrough. I expect to order three."
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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 8:11 pm

Mark_D.-if some one wants to start a topic and you dont like it, then dont comment on it.

Whats wrong with us speculating on how would take up the sonic crusier, we all have avaition as a hobby and part of the fun of airliners is predicting the future and then see it actually happen.

on a more lighter note, id expect virgin to purchase a sonic crusier as long with its daddy singapore which will mean BA purchasing a few along with its off spring qantas and its favorite partner AA.

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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Mon Aug 13, 2001 9:51 pm

JAL, AA, BA, SIA, Emirates, QF, CX are just some potential customers for the Sonic Cruiser.


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RE: Who Do You Think Will Buy The Boeing Sonic Cruiser

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:55 pm

We can speculate until the cows come home on this one. Until Boeing says, "Hey we're going to build the Sonic Cruiser, so airlines open your chequebooks and get in line," I'm only going to speculate that the launch customer will probably be Virgin Atlantic, with an American carrier being the U.S. launch customer.