kevin
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Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:49 pm

According to www.gazeta.ru , Lufthansa's CEO Jurgen Weber said his company is ready to order 15 A380s. Congratulations for the Airbus and I'm still sad the 747X program didn't work.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:14 pm

Sad the B747X didn't really work, but the B747 will always be mthe queen in my heart. Great to see another airline about to operate the big Jumbo.

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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:16 pm

I just have to ask J. Weber one simple question : Why buy the 380, when LH is constantly downsizing and reducing both capacities and frequencies ? That just seems to be a contradiction.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:30 pm

DLL 10:

According to Mr. Weber and Lufthansa specialists , the passenger cost on an A380 will be 15 to 20% less than on any other palne used by Lufty at the moment.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:32 pm

Hi all,

Does LH really need such a capacity when its cutting back major routes and codesharing them out? Feels very ironic and contradictory, as DLL10 stated.

-Regards, VA
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:36 pm

Victor:

I was hoping my comment makes sense
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 8:33 pm

Lufthansa is scaling back some operations (like many are) bacause of the current economic situation. If they order A380, they'll only be delivered in about 5 years. By then this economic slump should long be gone and forgotten.

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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:38 pm

I'll give a good reason for LH to buy the A380-800: try getting a ticket on the SFO-FRA route in both directions--fat chance.

Just this route is one good reason why LH could use such a big plane.

I could see by 2008 LH flying the A388 on the FRA-SFO route year-round and the 747-400 on the MUC-SFO route year-round, especially with LH turning MUC into its second major hub like it's now doing.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:05 pm

It´s all about efficiency. If the A380 can actually cut seat/mile cost as promised and deliver comparable or better customer satisfaction than the 747 at the same time, it will make sense.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:17 pm


Cutting frequencies and codesharing sound like good ways to fill big planes with low seat-mile costs.

 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:11 am

Since the 747X is out of business the A380 is the only option. And LH needs the additional capacity on some routes, for example FRA-SFO.

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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:31 am

Sizing down frequencies makes sense. Less flights = less costs. LH will be able to carry more passengers and cargo while cutting down the number of trans-oceanic/pacific flights when they operate A380's.
The Hub-Spoke system which has been buildt up ( still growing ) during the last two decades is the way to go.
Point to Point only works on a way smaller scale because it is too expensive and unflexible.

In the future only Airlines which operate Mega Jumbos will be considered " Global players " .
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:42 am

Lufthansa to buy four 747s, wants 5 or 6 A380s

FRANKFURT, Aug 13 (Reuters) - Deutsche Lufthansa AG (quote from Yahoo! UK & Ireland: LHAG.F) plans to buy four 747-400s from Boeing Co (NYSE:BA - news) and cannot do without the giant Airbus A380 model, Chief Executive Juergen Weber said in a magazine article published on Monday.


In statements revealing that Airbus has another A380 customer in the bag, Weber said that Lufthansa could use five or six A380s and that the management would make a recommendation on the aircraft to the company's supervisory board in September.


more...
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010813/l13314161.html
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:01 am

this economic downturn not only hits airlines but aircraft manufactureres as well, so they need to sell their aircraft. so there´s a possibly a chance that LH gets a very good price from airbus, who knows?
btw, as Juul already pointed out, the economic slowdown will be over when the a380 comes out so i think there´s no big problem with that...
btw, Jürgen Weber repeatedly stated that the prime routes on which they could definitively use an a380 in a couple of years would be FRA-JFK, -DEL, -SIN and
-NRT.

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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:03 am

P&M
Your comments are meant to criticize US airlines for not ordering the 380. Having by far the largest airlines in the world (and generating 50% of all RPK's on a 'global' basis) you can not say that UA, AA, NW, or CO are not 'Global Players.' They are.

The 380 is an evolutionary design. It does not bring anything new to the table but higher capacity. This does not appeal to all carriers and their marketing strategies.

I think the 380 is a great idea--for certain carriers. But the ideal that 'bigger is best' does not hold true in today's economy.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:31 am

Greg, I don't criticize any Airline for not ordering A380's. But I do think that within the next 10-15 years only those Airlines will have success on the Intercontinental market which will make the best use out of the dominating Hub's.
And the A380 is the right tool to feed this growing market.
The Airlines in the US which you mentioned are huge but their bread and butter business is the domestic traffic.
BTW, I guess that sooner or later some US Airlines will order A380's too.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:43 am

I think it's a bit presumptuous to suggest the US or Global economy is going to rise and fall based on A380 delivery schedules, as was hinted in a previous post.

Japan has been suffering from an "economic downturn" for a decade.

The reality is the United States will have a budget deficit again before next summer if things (a sour economy and a congress run by people who think government can run on 10 or 12 bucks a day) continue the way they are.

The A380 will see passenger success primarily in the areas the 747-400 did...Asia and the Pacific Rim. It's simply not the kind of plane most US airlines need.
 
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RE: Lufthansa Close To Order 15 A380s

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:55 am

Heavymetal,

Only two US-based airlines have the type of traffic that could require the use of the A380-800: NW and UA.

I doubt they'll be ordering them until much later this decade.