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Varig A Latin American Example...

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:28 pm

I was going through RG history and I found incredible things.

Only South American airline to fly into Japan
Only South American airline to fly 747-400
Only South American airline to fly into Hong Kong, Bangkok, etc.

Today RG has quite a network, covering almost all the most important cities in Latin America, Europe, U.S., Japan.

They fly to LIS, MAD, CDG, LHR, CPH, FRA, MUC, MXP, FCO in Europe. NRT and NGO in Japan. LAX, MIA and JFK in the US, and I think they still have the rights to operate HKG, BKK, JNB, ZRH, AMS.

Als they will be the first Latin American carrier to operate 777.

I think that Varig is such a great example for other airlines. There are other good L.A. carriers like LAN CHILE, AEROMEXICO and the almost dead AR. But VARIG is a pioneer.
 
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:51 pm


Wow.. that's great!

it's wonderful to hear all that.. I always felt that RG was the best in South America.. Now I know why.. and they have nice colors too..

do you know why they canceled thier 747-400's, as they did some time back?
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:56 pm

Varig wasn't always the only one with the large international presence. VASP used to serve tons of places in Europe and I think they used to fly GRU-LAX-NRT (but they might not have continued on to Japan).

VASP lost lots of money, they bought into Ecuatoriana and Lloyd Aero Boliviano (Probably mistakes on their part) and now don't serve any more international destinations. Lan Chile is definately growing and is gaining a strong international presence, though not nearlyt as big as Varigs, yet with a comparitably comfortable product.
 
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:07 pm

they're also hemeraging cash. Only brazilian carrier to make a profit last year? TAM (not a suprise, they've been consistantly profitable (and debt free) for 11 years). They've having double digit growth for a good long while now (32% last year, 33% estimated this year), and they are rapidly expanding to fill the gap VASP's interntaional services left. BTW, TAM is also the leading doemestic carrier, and has one of the lowest fleet ages in SA, which they indend to maintain, with 75 more new aircraft by 2005.
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:46 pm

Don't forget AVIANCA. They're good too.
 
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Avianca Is A Pioneer!

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:20 am

Sorry I must say that Avianca is the first pioneer in South America!!!
They are the oldest airline in South America and North America (second in the world). They also introduced the B 747 as first Latin Airline in Latin America.
They also have good destinations to the USA and Europe and whole Latin America.
And in bad times they still have the most friendly and kindly services on board!!
F/A of Avianca rules because Colombian women’s are the most beautiful ones in the world, that's a fact!!!

At the moment the 3 best Airliners from South America are Avianca, Varig and Lan Chile.

Saludos
Wimpycol from BOG now @ AMS
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Tue Aug 14, 2001 4:33 am

Aio86: -

VASP severed KIX and SEL until 98.

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Wimpycol

Tue Aug 14, 2001 5:06 am

Correction.

The oldest airlines in the world are as follows:

1) KLM 81 years
2) Qantas 80 years
3) Avianca 80 years
4) Mexicana 80 years
5) Brathens 78 years

So you see, Avianca is the 3rd oldest in the world. Originaly established by the Germans as S.C.A.D.T.A.
Avianca was the first airline in Latin America with the 747.



By the way, I trully agree that Varig is the the best example of a good Latin American carrier. And I say this because they are the only global Latin American carrier serving the most continents and most international destinations.

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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Tue Aug 14, 2001 9:08 am

TAM actually has tons of debts to be paid, they have annual profit. There's no brazilian airline in very good financial conditions. Transbrasil lost their last 763 in MIA some days ago. VASP is not that bad now that they reduced fleet and only fly to Santa Cruz out of Brasil.
A real pionner in South America was Panair do Brasil, they had lots of international destinations in Europe, South America and U.S., and 40/50 years ago they had the greatest domestic network in the world, a Panair Constellation was the first non-UK register plane to land at LHR.
TAM plans for the next years are to have this fleet: 50 F100, 50 A319/320, 20 A332. According to Cmte. Rolim (R.I.P.) with less 40% of the international routes , they could have more than half of the market, I belive in this.
I think that the three better south american airlines are TAM, RG and LanChile

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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Tue Aug 14, 2001 9:31 am

i do not think avianca has the prettiest flight attendants, i think TAM and Varig win in that category.
 
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:41 pm

Just clearing up the facts

VASP once flew to:

FRA, BRU, ZRH, BCN, MAD, ATH, CMN, JFK, LAX, MIA, YYZ, KIX and SEL. Also EZE.

TRANSBRASIL:

VIE, LGW, AMS, LIS, JFK, MIA, IAD, MCO, SCL and EZE
+they still operate to EZE, not sure about the future of this route.

BTW, Varig, and TAM are much bigger than LanChile, but that doesn´t mean they´re any better.
 
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Latinplane

Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:20 am

Latinplane, thank you for the corrections.

But most of that I already knew.
I really thought that Avianca was the world second! Well Qantas was only a view months or weeks sooner.
For me personally Avianca is still a Pioneer in Latin America, only when you look to the past.

At the moment Varig and Lan Chile are the strongest in South America. TAM, Aerolineas Argentinas and Avianca are following them!

Thanks also for your information about Iberia. I hope that I'll get some good flights with them next month when I travel to Colombia with Iberia! AMS-MAD-BOG. I really will write a report of their flights in the trip reports.

Saludos
W.A. now @ AMS but soon to be seen @ BOG!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:30 am

Of course Varig is the best airline in Latin america and is consider one of the best in the world. But Lan Chile is closer to Varig. Remember Lan Chile fly to Papeete and sometimes has flown to Sydney. The fight between Varig and Lan Chile is very red and I consider a fight between Boeing vs Airbus:

Varig Lan Chile

vs

Boeing Airbus.



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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Sun Aug 19, 2001 12:38 pm

Varig never operated 747-400s. They had 747-300s, but those are gone. They are a pretty good airline, but are facing some trouble with TAM. Varig's popular routes from MIA to smaller Brazilian cities (Recife, Fortazela, Manaus, Belo Horizonte, Belem), which they used to dominate, is finally begining to fell the sting as TAM moves in. And TAM has really succeded very well at MIA, and will serve four destinations (GRU, GIG, MAO, BSB) with four daily flights by the end of the year from MIA, and are moving into JFK in early 2002.

Latinplane, the world's oldest airline is Miami-based Chalk's Ocean Airways (it's in the Guiness Book), formed a few months before KLM Royal Dutch and still flying those Gruman Mallards today from MPB and FLL to the Bahamas (I flew them this morning, as a matter of fact).
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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Sun Aug 19, 2001 2:43 pm

They did operated 744's.

Varig's PP-VPH at Hong Kong. Interesting isn't it?

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Mah4546

Tue Aug 21, 2001 2:13 am


Yes, you are right. Chalks is recognized as the world's oldest airline, however, in my view you can't really compare chalk's with the likes of all these other airlines that have gone on and expanded and now fly worldwide destinatiions.

By the way, by now I don't think that Chalks can still claim the title as the original Chalks became Pan Am Air Bridge for several years before it ceased operations for a few months until a new company was formed rechanging the name to the new Chalks International Airways.

I flew Chalks, rather Pan Am Air Bridge in 1997 on the Watson Island-Bimini-Paradise Island route. Great flight and great experience.

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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:16 am

Lan Chile and his subsidiaries would be consider another Latin America example. Lan Chile is the second carrier in Latin America in fleet, destination and service. The third is AeroMéxico. I think that TAM will be a future Latin America example.

1-Varig
2-Lan Chile
3-AeroMéxico.


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RE: Varig A Latin American Example...

Wed Aug 29, 2001 2:53 am

Let's put things straight.
According to ATW year 2000 statistics:
AeroMexico carried 9,750,000 pax(12.4% change), had 14,392 million RPK and has a fleet of 70 aircraft(95 with it's subsidiaries but I won't count those).
LANChile carried 3,106,000 pax(-3.2% change), had 8,882 million RPK and had a fleet of 44 aircraft.
by the same measures Mexicana is slighly smaller than Aeromexico(60 aicraft). Regarding fleet size goes like this:

1.-Varig
2.-Aeromexico
3.-Mexicana
4.-LAN Chile
5.-TAM
6.-VASP

By RPK

1.-Varig
2.-Aeromexico
3.-Mexicana

Anyway. LAN Chile is a Latin American example indeed and a very large airline considering Chile's population and size. I like LAN Chile, any World-Class Latin American carrier is more than welcome.