apollo13
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Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:42 am

On August 19th I am flying to Purto Vallara on an Alaska Airlines MD-83 and after that crash they had a while ago im afraid to fly what should I do to ease my fears? Thanks.

Regards: Sean Moran

 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:45 am

well, just tell yourself MD83 is not the only jet that crashed before.
 
HyperMike
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:47 am

Not to be rude, but you have two choices: put up, or shut up.

Alaska is a safe carrier. Yes, they've had one incident recently. But you don't see people flocking away from SwissAir, do you?

If you really were afraid of flying this flight, why did you buy the ticket? What were you thinking?
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:59 am

Its a perfectly safe airplane. I flew two Alaska MD83s last week and am going to fly another one day after tomorrow. Perfectly safe, comfortable.... just keep your mind off of it and you'll be fine. That's what I did-- I was apprehensive (not scared, just anxious) the first time on an AS -83 after the crash, but it went just fine- I worried over nothing.

I hope you have a great flight on the #1 carrier!
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:01 pm

Your intellect should tell your emotions that Alaska Airlines has, over the years, operated one of the best and most professionally-run airlines; and that, since their tragic loss, they have become one of the most intensely-scrutinized carriers.

Further, that the MD80 series is an exceedingly fine aircraft, well-respected by pilots and reliable.

Chill.
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milemaster
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:21 pm

Besides, the FAA ordered the inspection of the Jackscrew of all MD80/90/DC9 aircraft after that accident. You can rest assured to know that a similar incident would be extremely unlikely regardless of what airline you choose to fly an MD80 on.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:49 pm

Trust me, Alaska's MD80's are probably some of the safest to fly on right now. I flew them down to Zihuatenejo from SFO last month and both the flight down and back went off without any problems. Meal service sucked but that is another story. You might want to bring your own food.

Richard Silagi
 
nikonF100
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:04 pm

Yes, meals to Mexico aren't really good due to the high amount of people traveling on free tickets. That's an awfully long flight to ZIH from SFO.

The M80s are some of the safest aircraft in the sky. I've flown about 20 Alaska M80 flights since the crash, and the only problem was an overhead that wouldn't latch shut.

I'd be more worried of some Mexican/International carriers than Alaska.

 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:08 pm

I'm flying an Alaska MD80 from SEA to LAX tomorrow morning, and unless my 4-year old has other plans, I'll sleep good!

- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:09 pm

My advice is if you're afraid to fly Alaska Airlines, then don't fly on them. Pick another airline. Call me prejudice, but I would NEVER fly an airline based out of Alaska; especially with the maintenence problems they had a few months back.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:16 pm

Alaska is actually based out of Seattle.
 
sr117
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:06 pm

well NikonF100 I could also say that I feel much safer on AeroMexico or Mexicana than flying on Alaska but that it would be an extremeley ignorant opinion on my part as I personally do not know about the safety practices of Alaska airlines, mind you.. I am sure that if what happened to 261 happened to a mexican airline many many people would immediatley crucify the airline. Fortunatley, large mexican airlines have excellent maintenance facilities and the national aviation board assures that all airlines comply with safety standards.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:42 pm

I wouldn't have flown on Alaskan 6 months ago, not with the FAA's discovery of problematic maintenance. You can always rest assure that where there is one lot of bad maintenance then other areas have been compromised as well.

Having said that the FAA got tough on them so I would rest assure they should be OK now. Still - it's your life you make the decision, but I don't see them dropping out of the sky like flies.

Cheers,

mb
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:48 pm

SR117 -

I agree with you, but the Mexican government has significantly less interest in public safety than the FAA. But I also have heard that their maintenance practices are far better than the rest of the world knows.

Still a lot of 707's and 721's cruising around south america. That by itself is a risk greater than anything..

Some good examples of skillful flying as well. Remember the Copa 737-300 that lost all hyraulics and successfully landed on a levy? Pretty smooth...
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:12 pm

Let me pose this as devils advocate...

If the FAA investigated all majhors the way they did AS after the crash then they would have found tons of crap bad on them too. It's all in the paperwork.

Cheers.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:34 pm

I took this RT from PVR-SFO on Alaska Airlines back in April. I must admit that I was pretty fidgety when we were passing over Southern California on the way back.

Irrational? Yes, but the feeling was there just the same. My mind tended to retrace all the gory details, wondering what was going on while we were over San Diego, Los Angeles, Ventura, etc.

You get the point, I'm sure.

But to end this on a happier note....I think you'll have to worry more about the tropical heat/humidity walking from the parked aircraft, onto the waiting bus. We didn't use a jetway when we disembarked in PVR. The weather was sweltering then as we waited in customs (essentially without a/c, as the place was so crowded, that the doors from the tarmac to customs were continually open).

Enjoy the rainy season. Hope it's greener for you than it was for us.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Tue Aug 14, 2001 7:03 pm

I'm flying AS SEA-YVR-SEA this weekend. Now, if they weren't safe, 1) I wouldn't fly them, and 2) my travel agent (who is a good friend) wouldn't have ticketed it for me.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 1:20 pm

SR117

I probably wouldn't be afraid to fly Mexicana, or AeroMex...They are relitivley reliable airlines, and probably pretty safe. COPA is an airline I'd like to fly sometime. Although I'm not really into flying to Panama on a 73G. Aren't their pilots trained by CO?

And 777...you need to check your facts. Alaska is based out of Seattle/Tacoma Intl airport, in SEA-TAC Washington. They started flying around Alaska as a mail carrier/food carrier for the eskimos. They moved HQ down to the lower 48 a while ago. (No date sorry)

Alaska has been on the leading edge of technological innovations. The only airline I'd fly to Juneau is Alaska. Every time I've been up there, even in the worst weather, the pilots preformed "the cut" approach with precision and skill.

While it's true they've had mx problems, so has TWA, American, UA, etc...When Alaska had the FAA on their back they did what the FAA asked, and more. A lot more!
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:01 pm

Alaska has been scrutinized by the FAA since they we're fined $810,000 for improperly modifing the main landing gear on a 737 and then flying it on 9,000 pax carrying flights a few years back. The crash just increased the heat on Alaska. The FAA is usually a cream puff on waivers. But this time it looks like they've been getting it together. (Hopefully they've learned their lesson.)
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:50 pm

The jackscrew problems have been repaired
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:59 pm

The jackscrew problem was that hard to fix.

The problem was due to the instructions in the maintaince manual being followed by the mechanics.

Normally this wouldn't cause a problem but it apears that changes that where made in the lubrication order caused wear to occure on the part between it's last inspection where it was close but not yet past tolorances and the ultimate failure event.

But what put the plane into the water was the pilots decisions to deploy the flaps. If you have a stable aircraft and controls that have malfunctioned. Don't mess with the aircraft configuration chances are you will throw something out of balance, which is what happened to this aircraft.

The pilots decision to deploy the aircrafts flaps doomed the flight to disaster.
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 7:59 pm

Oh man are you gonna take some shit for that one....lol...
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 8:03 pm

Well I agree with your assesment of that crash, trotterwrench.

Besides I had my first nastygram from Johan about flaming posts today. Just want to see if I can make it two.
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 10:35 pm

Really? I didn't know Johan made it personal like that. I wonder how come I don't get those????
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 11:05 pm

I've never had a nastygram  Smile

Apollo13 - wow your name and this topic don't really mix well do they?  Big grin

My suggestion is that you treat it like any other flight, things are less likely to go wrong if you are in an aircraft that has been previously in an accident, pilots will take more care, same with the maintenance.

Anyway, lightning doesn't strike twice...... right?

Cheers

Dan Big grin
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Wed Aug 15, 2001 11:55 pm

The non-standard maintenence that resulted in AS261 going deep six is endemic at Alaska, that crash was just one particularly nasty manifestation.

The tail assembly did not rip off because of the flap deployment. The whole horizontal stab was hanging by a thread. They weren't going to get back to LAX or anywhere else, flap deployment or none.

My main reason for not flying Alaska is that they put a Christian prayer on a card on the meal service (or have they abandoned that ridiculous practise?). Nothing to get too upset about - if the competition was $40 more expensive I'd probably pick AS. But it's presumptuous and irritating. And it obviously didn't do the poor souls on 261 any good.
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 12:28 am

Yes, I heard about the prayer cards and I think it's a very nice idea. Hopefully they still have it and if you think it's so ridiculous, just don't look at it or toss it a side. Nobody is forcing you to read it! It's just that simple.

Although I would feel a little uneasy about flying Alaska's MD-80, deep down inside I know that I will make a safe journey, and so will you, Apollo13.

Just enjoy your trip.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:30 am

Alaska's MD-80's are perfectly safe now...
back in May (31) and June (1) I flew SFO-LAX-SFO, both on MD-80's. Perfectly good flight, and at a nice price ($76.50 r/t inc. taxes, etc.). Service was wonderful, and not for a second did I worry about crashing. Besides, MD-80's are one of my favorite planes!

Kai
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:49 am

Enjoy the flight on this beautiful aircraft.

The jackscrew problem was caused by the use of different grease substances that caused erosoins.

After an AD this is no more posible!!!!!!


Best regards

VASI
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:49 am

13, this is houston, uh... we'd like to inform you that the jackscrew problem has been repaired and you have nothing to worry about. Have a good flight.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:00 am

Alaska IMO is one of the safest airlines. I would fly on their MD80s anytime. I was suppose to fly on one of their MD80s last month but they did some last minute changes to their schedules, so I ended up flying one of their 737-400s instead. Was kind of dissapointed because I wanted to try their MD80s since I seem to alwyas get their 734s. It's just like flying on board AA or CO's MD80s. You have nothing to worry about.

 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 7:36 am

I think you should remember that, Alaska has been flying Md 80's for along time. They only had one crash and that was a while ago.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 1:08 pm

Hypermike: That SEA-YVR-SEA route is probably, Horizon with the AS flight number, not AS itself.

Cheers.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Thu Aug 16, 2001 1:20 pm

Think of it this way...

Imagine how many MD80 flights have safely landed since the Alaska incident. Chances are, yours will too. Besides, what other options do you have?

Boeing 737- Remember USAir and United's rudder issues.

A320- What about that accident over in the middle east?

Worrying about plane crashes is like worrying about the weather. Its fruitless and does not help at all.

 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Fri Aug 17, 2001 12:01 am

Fly Aeromexico. It operates 39 MD's, some of them since 1982. Hasn´t lost any.
 
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RE: Afraid To Fly Alaska Airlines MD-80

Fri Aug 17, 2001 3:14 pm

Alaska's safety record is excellent, and they have long had a reputation for top notch aircraft mainteance. Most of what the media reported last year was either taken out of context, overblown, or just plain inaccurate. And being the image-conscious company that they are, Alaska went above-and-beyond the call of duty to fine-tune their maintenance programs post flight 261.

I am also flying Alaska on the 19th, although on a 734. But, I've flown on numerous Alaska MD-80s, and the planes have always appeared to be very well maintained. I'm sure you'll have a good trip.

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