gardermoen
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More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:54 pm

Not only will Philippine Airlines be re-entering the Melbourne market, but Air Canada will also be launching Toronto-Honolulu-Melbourne services three times a week. They will be the only airline to provide a non-stop flight from Hawaii to the Victorian capital. Also at the same time, Air Canda will upgrade the daily 767s to Sydney with the A340. Cool or what!!
I thought with all the job losses at Air Canada and QF pulling out of Canada, that AC would do the same. Seems like this route does do well. Has anyone ever flown AC to Australia and what are the loads like?
 
jupiter2
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:18 pm

From what I have seen in Sydney the loads for AC have been decent, probably around 75 %, however they are putting a lot of extra seats on the route to both SYD and MEL and no doubt this will put pressure on the yields. Remembering that this is basically a leisure market, it is going to only add to the low yield seats. Further pressure will come if QF launches their low cost carrier as HNL/YVR will be one of the routes no doubt.
Mind you I am not complaining it will be good to see the 340's down here, though I must admit I thought we would see 330's first, and it is about time someone did MEL/HNL direct.
RL
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:38 pm

Thats great news...thanx for the info Gardermoen. It will be great to see Phillipines return and Air Canada finally come to Melbourne ( Australian Aviation magazine predicted this would happen ).

If many more carriers come, Im sure that the International terminal will need to be expaned quicker than originally predicted. Qatar Airlines is also consideing services to SYD/MEL and so are Egypt Air as an add on to their SYD service. Hopefully more airlines come here.

 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:40 pm

melbourne rules
 
IndianicWorld
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:46 pm

dasa, i couldnt have put it better myself.....great call
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 16, 2001 6:56 pm

Guys don't hold your breath about Egypt Air they've been saying they will go to Melbourne for a couple of years now and well.....
Anyway lets hope we (as in SYD and MEL) get more services and airlines such as UL and AR get their act together and get back here, oh and Lufthansa as well, lets face it if QF can run daily 747's into Frankfurt there must be a fair bit of demand.
RL
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 16, 2001 8:32 pm

Well LH wont be coming soon if you read any of their statements, as both Thai and Singapore seem to have most of the say in this region. The LH star alliance strategy though is quite clouded, and you never know what it will do soon.

As for Eygpt Air, it is very true about their inability to actually start services to MEL. The latest news I heard a while ago, about a month a go was they were planning to start in March '02, but who knows.

Im wondering if any Korean or Japan services will come to MEL, im sure there is a market their, if it is tested. I know Qantas tried, but its wasnt a long enough trial, and hopefully another carrier can test it out. just my opinion.
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Fri Aug 17, 2001 6:01 am

Don't think there's any chance- at all- of EgyptAir MEL services. The problem is with the bilateral air agreement between Australia and Egypt. In reality, the only reason MEL would be started would be to get more SYD access- an expensive operation (the agreement states if Egyptair wants to increase their SYD flights from 2 per week, then another Australian destination must be served. Emirates has a similar condition which is why their SYD flights only operate 4 times weekly).

As for Air Canada- this should be interesting, especially with Canada 3000 and no-frills Qantas competing . CO tried MEL-HNL and it didn't work, although a 767-300 is better suited than a kero-guzzling DC-10.

On a personal note, I flew AC SYD-HNL a few months ago... never again: lousy food, inappropriate in-flight videos, indifferent crew. A freshly painted maple-leaf didn't hide the dated (and in need of basic maintenance)CP interior either.
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:49 am

Can anybody tell if me if United still serve Melbourne direct from L.A. I heard this route had been suspended?.
Ive also heard that emirates are going to increase thier Sydney flights to daily with an extra 3 flights a week From Dubai operating via Perth which will be non-stop from Dubai. Apparently this is the deal reached with the Aussie government. Thankx for any infor guys.
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:56 am

I heard about the probability of Perth flights, and the desire to upgrade SYD to daily. However nonstop to PER continuing on to SYD is something I haven't heard, though it sounds quite reasonable to me. I wonder if EK would be allowed rights to fly Pax from SYD to PER - I believe the aussie govt. has relaxed restrictions on this. It may lead to some cheap SYD-PER tickets.
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:33 am

The reason why QF pulled-out Canada is due to lack of aircraft. I heard one of QF's personnel in YVR saying that their load-factor for YVR-HNL-SYD is pretty good.
 
Al
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RE: More For Melbourne

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:01 pm

The loads on AC's current SYD-YVR route are quite good - but that of course doesn't mean anything for the yields which is the ultimate litmus test for any route! I think their strategy of upgrading to a A340 is a ripper - will be by far the best Biz class on offer (space wise) on the Oz/West Coast Nth America routing. They have timed the YYZ-HNL-MEL flight to link to/from the SYD-HNL-YVR route so easy connections are made to/from each routing in the HNL sterile area. As MEL has recently been designated as the new Star hub for Oz/NZ (logical as it's by far the easiest pax friendly airport down here) this may have been one reason for AC's decision to start service to MEL. As always though, it needs the support of the MEL public to make it a stayer. All too often we have seen the MEL customer shun many new route carriers causing them to abandon MEL or that route they tried to start. You won't see LH metal back here for many years - if ever. They have their several daily flights to SIN and BKK and use TG's and SQ's myriad of connections instead. They also have their pucuniary stake in Lauda (?) as well. Just a sad fact that LH and KL to name two, can make far more money on the route under code than under own metal.
Cheers. Al.
 
IndianicWorld
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RE: More For Melbourne

Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:43 pm

When did MEL officially get to become the Star Alliance hub of Australia. Great decision, but i hadnt heard if BNE or MEL got the honours.

What other carriers do you see coming with this decision, and will any oneworld carriers learve as a result?

Thanx
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Tue Aug 21, 2001 12:55 am

Emirates SYD-PER flights? Now I've heard everything... utter rubbish. EK has floated the idea of PER flights so many times I've lost count- all talk. Finally, as if the Aussie Govt. would permit cabotage- having said that SAA would still be flying their own aircraft to SYD if this were true.
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Tue Aug 21, 2001 1:36 am

Emirates have been looking at Perth now since 1999 and they claim they lack aircraft, yet they have gone ahead with expansion plans in other areas. Their initial plans was for four weekly Dubai-Kuala Lupur-Perth services, and then the plan was for two via KUL and two via Colombo(and code share with SriLankan to Perth), and now the lastest I heard was Dubai-Perth-Auckland with B777s. Personally, I doubt it they will ever make it across to New Zealand. They were looking at setting up their officesin Perth back in 1999. Does anyone know if these have been established?
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Tue Aug 21, 2001 2:18 pm

Hey Gardermoen, when do AC & PR commence their new services?????

RE: Miami1 - UA ceased operatin non-stop from LAX to Melbourne at the start of the northern summer, because they nedded the long range/ER B747-400's to operate their new JFK-HKG service. They were to resume their non-stop Lax-Mel service in November, however that appears not to be the case & UA841/842 remains in the schedule operating via Auckland in both directions. Time will tell if this changes, in the meantime QF have the non-stop route all to themselves on Qf100/101.

Cheers - BZF
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RE: More For Melbourne

Tue Aug 21, 2001 2:39 pm

VH-BZF,

PR starts Oct 28 and AC starts Nov 30.

Dale.
 
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RE: AA - SYD-LAX

Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:48 pm

Hi guys does anyone know if American Airlines will ever start a SYD-LAX route operated by themselves??? excluding there codeshare with Qf.

-Thanks  Smile
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:10 am

A^A, somehow I can't see American operating LAX-SYD. Because there is already 3 airlines servicing this route: Air New Zealand, Qantas, United Airlines.

Also, what aircraft would they use? I very much doubt whether a fully loaded B777 can make the distance nonstop.
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:28 am

AA operated to SYD in the 70's and also in the 90's- the last attempt using DC10's DFW-HNL-SYD. They ain't coming back.
 
lewis
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:40 am

Will OA finally cut both SYD and MEL?
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:25 pm

I don't think OA will not drop Melbourne. As Melbourne, has the largest greek population outside Athens itself, there is plenty of demand for OA flights.
 
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RE: More For Melbourne

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:26 pm

Great news!

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Qantas Introduces Non-stop Perth-Darwin Flights

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:28 pm

Qantas introduces non-stop Perth-Darwin services
PERTH, 29 August 2001 :

Qantas today announced the introduction of new non-stop services between Perth and Darwin and an increase in capacity between Perth and Melbourne.

From early November, Qantas will operate the new services between Perth and Darwin on Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays using Boeing 737 aircraft and will replace three Boeing 737 services each week between Perth and Melbourne with flights using larger, wide-bodied Boeing 767 aircraft.

The new services will depart Perth at 8.10am arriving in Darwin at 1.05pm. The return flights will depart Darwin at 1.50pm and arrive in Perth at 4.10pm.

Qantas Executive General Manager Sales and Distribution, John Borghetti, said the new services confirmed a commitment by Qantas to Western Australia and further strengthened the airline's position in the local market.

"We've been working very closely with the State Government, with the WA Tourism Commission and with members of the tourism industry to try to improve schedules out of Perth," he said.

Mr Borghetti said that customer feedback, including that from the many companies operating in the oil, gas and related sectors, had indicated a level of demand for direct services between Perth and Darwin and recent and forecast growth in the market had prompted this initiative.

He said that the new Perth - Darwin route provided another important link for inbound tourists wanting to enter through one gateway and travel to a number of destinations within Australia.

The new Boeing 767 services between Perth and Melbourne will provide up to an additional 300 seats each week between the two cities, as Qantas responds to market demand for more wide-bodied aircraft on trans-Australia routes.

Western Australia's Minister for Tourism, Clive Brown, has welcomed the new services saying that they would be a great boost to the State's domestic tourism market.

Bookings and inquiries can be made at licensed or AFTA travel agents, Qantas Travel Centres, by calling Qantas on 13 13 13 or at the Qantas web site www.qantas.com.au.


Issued by Qantas Public Affairs (2464)
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Andrew Birks - 02 9691 3472
Email: qantasmedia@qantas.com.au


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