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Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 2:42 am

Qantas's 737 classics seem to be approaching the point of retirement. For their replacements, are they more likely to go for the 737NG or the A320?
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 5:31 am

The 737NG, no doubt about it. Qantas has always been a Boeing-dominate airline. Qantas is the oldest airline, has been with Boeing planes, and has never crashed. Boeing really has earned themselves a very good reputation with Qantas.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:05 am

Continental, I agree. Although Qantas ordered A380s, and then Airbus gave them an unbeatable deal on some A330s in the package, Qantas still has a very good reputation with Boeing. I think Qantas would've ordered the 777 if Airbus hadn't thrown those A330s in the A380s deal, because it could have commonality with the 747 fleet.

Tupelov, I think either series has about an equal chance of getting into the Qantas fleet, but the 737s currently in the fleet are not that old.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:09 am

Both have an equal chance, in my opinion. Airbus won last time around, so that might give them an edge, with CCQ andeverything, but Boeing will be very eager to turn the tide in their favor again. Both are excellent planes, so it'll come down to who makes the 'offer they can't refuse'.

Continental, Qantas is not the world's oldest airline. That title goes to KLM. I believe Avianca is nr. 2.

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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:12 am

I think you will see the 733, and 734 in the QF livery for a long time yet!

Sam
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:16 am

Jet_guy,

Qantas is actually known to be studying the replacement for these aircraft, even though they are still pretty young. It's been a while since I've heard anything about that, but around the time the A330/A380/744ER order was announced it was widely reported by the media that the 737 replacement would be the next step.

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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:29 am

It will hinge on price and whether QF requires an A321/739 sized aircraft. If they do, then Airbus will win,as the 321 outpoints the 739. The 319/320 v 73G/738 is a very close competition. I really think Boeing needs to launch the 739X with around 20 more seats to become more competitive with the 321.
This decision will be made next year. An Airbus decision would enforce earlier retirement of the 737 classic fleet due to the high expenses of operating both types. This is the factor most in Boeing's favour- the 737NGs could be slotted in more gradually as it would be much easier for QF to operate 737 classics and NGs side-by-side.
If I had to guess, and it is only a guess, I would go for the A32X family to be selected by QF.

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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:29 am

I emailed Qantas before, they said replacements for the B737s will be placed around in 2002-2003.

Personally I believe they will go for the B737NGs as someone said above, to give Boeing the edge.

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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:40 am

Dalecary,

How can you be so sure Airbus will certainly win if Qantas wants an A321/739/752 sized aircraft? The 757 is also pretty close in capacity with the A321, and the A321 has no special advantages over the 739.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:42 am

*sigh*
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:00 am

I was going to say the same. A Boeing 757 alongside 737NGs might be a good option for QF. Indeed 757s Trans-tasman, to Bali etc seems a perfect alternative to current planes used on the route as well as for more important domestic routes.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:06 am

Juul, PLEASE don't start. Explain what was wrong with my post this time. GOD!
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:17 am

This will be another A vs B battle; both manufacturers really want this order. Boeing probably has the edge, but one must also take into account what Ansett does about its A320/733 replacement program. It may sound silly, but if Ansett goes with Boeing, Qantas may favor Airbus just to be different. (or Vice-Verse). There is a marketing issue involved. We shall see. QF will likey wait until it gets a little experience with the A330s before it makes a decision.

If I remember correctly, QF was not very happy with the A300s it inherited from TAA back when those airlines merged in the early 90s. Of course, that is ancient history and Airbus, and its support network, have come a very, very long way since then; however, I think that QF will wait and see before it orders a 737 replacement.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:19 am

Boeing 747-400,

Let me just put it this way: in these forums there are thousands of opportunities to start A. vs B. wars. Hey, I could have easily started one in reaction to Continental's post, by answering it in a Boeing747-400 kind of way. That would go something like this:

"How can you be so sure they'll order Boeing? The 737 is NOT better than the Airbus. You have no numbers to prove that. And Airbus also has a good reputation wath Qantas, because they ordered some.

Let's face it, you just don't like Airbus do you?"

And so on... You get the point. (Oh no that's right, you don't)

The problem is that you never seem to let a chance go by to start a war. Agreed, you probably don't mean it to become a war, but usually it does.

Continental, if you happen to read this post: don't answer to it, it was not directed at you, I was just using it asan example (please forgive me Big grin)
I'm also immediately going to suggest this post to be deleted, as I only want Boeing 747-400 to read it, and don't wish to start another war.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:32 am

Juul,

Let me just put it this way: in these forums there are thousands of opportunities to start A. vs B. wars. Hey, I could have easily started one in reaction to Continental's post, by answering it in a Boeing747-400 kind of way. That would go something like this:

"How can you be so sure they'll order Boeing? The 737 is NOT better than the Airbus. You have no numbers to prove that. And Airbus also has a good reputation wath Qantas, because they ordered some.

Let's face it, you just don't like Airbus do you?"


There is nothing wrong with the two posts I made! I kindly corrected Dalecary on his post, and I said nothin anti-airbus! So how do you come to the conclusion that I don't like Airbus? I like both comapnies, and I try to be as realistic about the industry as I can. It's YOU who just started the fight between us!

And so on... You get the point. (Oh no that's right, you don't)

You know what point I get? That you're a goddamn fool, and that you are the one starting the war!

The problem is that you never seem to let a chance go by to start a war. Agreed, you probably don't mean it to become a war, but usually it does.

Explain how any of my posts in this thread could start a war, I kidnly corrected a user, on that if Qantas wanted a 739/321 series sized plane, then you cannot be so sure Airbus would win the worder! There's nothing anti-Airbus in that post!

 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:38 am

"So how do you come to the conclusion that I don't like Airbus? "

Please take a look at where the quotation marks are.

Oh, and I'm stopping the on-going war here, as I don't want this to get bloody and don't want to be partly responsible for ruining another post. I will not be answering any of your questions here on this forum. If you still want me to answer them, you have my e-mail address, it's in my profile. I'd be happy to go into more detail there.

Administrator, please delete the last three posts...
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 8:42 am

Oh, and I'm stopping the on-going war here, as I don't want this to get bloody and don't want to be partly responsible for ruining another post. I will not be answering any of your questions here on this forum. If you still want me to answer them, you have my e-mail address, it's in my profile. I'd be happy to go into more detail there.

No, you're not stopping, you're starting the war. And you don't want to respond here anymore because you can't back up any of your posts and you have to run off.

Continental, I agree. Although Qantas ordered A380s, and then Airbus gave them an unbeatable deal on some A330s in the package, Qantas still has a very good reputation with Boeing. I think Qantas would've ordered the 777 if Airbus hadn't thrown those A330s in the A380s deal, because it could have commonality with the 747 fleet.

Tupelov, I think either series has about an equal chance of getting into the Qantas fleet, but the 737s currently in the fleet are not that old.


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Dalecary,

How can you be so sure Airbus will certainly win if Qantas wants an A321/739/752 sized aircraft? The 757 is also pretty close in capacity with the A321, and the A321 has no special advantages over the 739.


There is no anti-Airbus statements in either of these posts by me Juul. So please, shut your damn mouth, you know there's nothing I did to start a fight in this thread or with you.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 9:32 am

I personnaly think that Qantas will go for the 737NG for the replacement of their 737 Classics but they could also go for the A320 family.

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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 10:14 am

Lets remember that this is not necessarily a technical forum but a forum where people can share their opinions on issues. If people like Boeing747-400 want to attack others for their opinions, they ought to be thrown out.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 11:09 am

Boeing747-400,

where did I say that Airbus would definitely win this order. I didn't. Sorry, but the 321 can carry 20-30 more pax than the 739 with about the same trip costs. It has a distinct advantage. Unless Boeing can increase 739 capacity with a higher MTOW 739X, you will find that the 321 will win more often than not when pitted against it. The 752 is not an option. They will order from a common family and not add another type. I see you basically know nothing about fleet planning .

Dale.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 11:15 am

Yeah, what Dalecary said. Big grin
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 11:37 am

QF like both but the 737NG will win. QF has already contracted to maintain the RAAF's Wedgetail AWACS 737s and the RAAF VIP BBJs. Both of these types are based on the NG meaning QF are already investing in the infrastructure associated with the type.
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 12:26 pm

However, don't airline maintenance centers also maintain different planes for other airlines? For example, can't UAL's maintenance facility at San Francisco maintain A340's and other aircraft that they don't have?
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 12:53 pm

I think the A321 may be best-suited for QF's needs, provided they fly the higher-MTOW versions that US flies on their transcon flights and QF gets ETOPS 180 certification on flying this plane, which will allow flights to Hobart in Tasmania on from SYD and MEL.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 1:34 pm

ETOPS is not required for Tasmanian routes. Bass Strait isn't that big.

QF do not fly to HBA. These has now been transferred to QantasLink who service the route with 717s. AN A321 would be too big for HBA which has only ever been serviced by 737s and A320s before the 717s and CRJs took over.

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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 2:02 pm

Tullamarine,

You forgot one important aircraft that has served HBA. I saw myself last time I went, it was about 5 years ago however.

Remember the AN B727-200LR's?  Smile

Personally I think QF will opt for the B737-700/-800. I don't think it will need the B757-200. QF would rather use the QF B737-900 (if at all) than add the B757. At the moment, QF has the flexibility of using 205 seat B767-200's on the transcon run to PER instead of going all the way to the 228/229/240 seat B767-300ER's. I think that QF would configure their B737-700's with 16J/102Y and their B737-800's 20J/126Y (738 config similar to AA). As has been pointed out, it would require little transfer costs. B737NG's make more sense in QF's fleet than Airbuses. Mind you, BA changed from 732/734's to 319/320's so I wouldn't be surprised if QF followed its partner's lead.

On the other hand, I believe AN will go for the A319/320/321 range. I think that AN likes its A320's more than it likes it's B737's, and I believe the general public (if they think at all) think the same.

Virgin Blue uses B737-400's and B737-700's (-800's are coming soon) - this is just for reference.

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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Sat Aug 18, 2001 6:49 am

Dalcary,

This is was you said in your post:

It will hinge on price and whether QF requires an A321/739 sized aircraft. If they do, then Airbus will win,as the 321 outpoints the 739.

Uh..you did say Airbus would win if Qantas wanted an A321/739 sized aircraft. Just because the A321 seats a little more than the 739, it doens't mean that it will win the order, you have to include efficiency, and also the 757 that can carry more than the A321.

Tupolev154B2,

Ok, this is what I said to Dalecary:

Dalecary,

How can you be so sure Airbus will certainly win if Qantas wants an A321/739/752 sized aircraft? The 757 is also pretty close in capacity with the A321, and the A321 has no special advantages over the 739.


If you call that attacking, then you've got some serious problems. I kindly corrected Dalecary on that there cannot be an assumption Airbus would certainly win this order. Please seek some counseling.
 
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RE: Is Qantas Likely To Go For 737NG Or A320?

Sat Aug 18, 2001 9:05 am

Bollocks. They've already decided and it's the Tupolev Tu-204. Announcement imminent.
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