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Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:46 am

Hey,

I just read at BWIA's new site that two new widebodied aircraft will be in service by 2002 second quartar. Does anyone know what aircraft this will be? A330, A340, 767,777? Lets hope its a good aircraft so they can replace the L-1011's and put them to rest.

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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:48 am

They're looking at the 767-300ER, A300-200 and A340. They've been in talks with Air Canada with a view to acquiring some of its excess aircraft (763s?)
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:52 am

Thanks for the info,

Do you have a source to this? The last I heard is that they were in talks with Air Canada to take some A340's from them.

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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 9:14 am

I don't know what aircraft they're taking from Air Canada. I just assumed the 763s. They might take some 343s from them, though. I do know that they are in talks with Boeing about new 763s and considering their 737NGs, that might be a likely option. The A340-300 or even the -200 might be too big a capasity jump from the Tristars. The 767-300 is less of a jump.
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 10:20 am

Thank God they are thinking of replacing those L-1011's soon, eventhough the L-1011 is a great aircraft BWIA is loosing money with tnem . It is also bringing problems with delayed flights and cancelled flights. I think BWIA will go for the A340-300.
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 2:31 pm

Hey,

If the 767 is a good option. Then the A330-200 and A330-300 is a good option too. But I agree with Chepos that they will go with the A340. But its only a guess. And yes the Tristar does cost them a fortune to fly accross to London everytime. I dont understand why they are going to start Manchester with the L-10's. I think it is just going to put them in more debt. They should wait for the new widebodied aircraft to start the route and then it would be a lucrative deal.

What do you all think.

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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:04 pm

The Bwia livery would look SO COOL on any aircraft they took. And if they're considering the A340, why not the 777? It would suit them and Boeing would like them to have an all-Boeing fleet.
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:11 pm

BWIA I also think that they should wait thill they get the newer widebodies and then start the service to Manchester . Like you said this will drain money from them instead of giving them a profit.
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:17 pm


I think they will probably take the A342, that A343 would give them toooo much capacity I think. Maybe they could take the 777, but they would have to wait longer to get the a/c wouldn't they? As the wait for 777's is gettin longer...
 
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 9:36 pm

That's all very well, people, but where are they going to get the money from? The IPO last year was a flop; they have run into serious problems with the cutbacks, and the staff want better pay.

At least some good news from Sunjet House ... it seems like Conrad Aleong may well be quitting soon!
 
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 11:14 pm

I thought that BWIA, some time ago, had firm orders for A340-300's.
 
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 18, 2001 11:32 pm

I don't think they've placed orders for 343s, and if they did, they've certainly canceled them. If they're short of cash, then maybe some of Air Canada's surplus equipment may be suitable? 763s? 343s?
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 200

Sun Aug 19, 2001 12:08 am

I have no idea what they are going to get.. but assuming that they want to preserve commonality in their fleet as most other airlines do.. then they might go for Boeing aircraft.. I seriously doubt the 777 is an option with BWIA so I would think the 763 is their choice.. lets see what happens..
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sun Aug 19, 2001 12:48 am

Hey,

Yes BWIA did have firm orders I believe in 96 for two A340-300's but then they were cancelled and Virgin Atlantic took over that order. They were aiming for an all airbus fleet back in 96/97 with the A321's and the A340's.

Lets hope to see a good replacement soon.

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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sun Aug 19, 2001 1:31 am

I don't see why the 340-300 would not suit them. Yes it would have more capacity than the L1011, but it is still cheaper to fly a 340 than an L15 over the Atlantic, whatever the capacity. It would allow them to reduce prices a bit and perhaps win some market share from BA/VS on the LON-ANU/UVF/BGI markets.
 
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sun Aug 19, 2001 2:22 am

Hey,

Yeah I agree with you. It is cheaper for them to get the A340-300 then to keep the L-1011's. I think the only problem that is keeping them back is the financing of these widebodied aircraft. I think they might end up taking two of Air Canada's A340's.
 
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 25, 2001 9:19 am

I really wonder what will happen. The A340s may be more efficient than the TriStars but there would go any chance of fleet commonality, given the presence of the 737-800s. A Boeing seems more sensible and thus the 767-300 would appear to be the best bet. I think though that the A330-200 is likely to be the ultimate choice.

A TAB-MAN service at this time is not in BWIA's best interest as far as profits are concerned - TAB is being dropped by some British travel agents due to poor demand so why increase capacity?

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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 25, 2001 1:06 pm

Hey Trintocan,

I agree with you with the A330-200 being the ultimate choice. Though I heard that they cannot afford new planes and they are looking to lease from the second hand market. What airline is leasing their A330-200's? Do you know of any? I bet BWIA would take those A330's in a flash.


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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Sat Aug 25, 2001 5:11 pm

BeeWee barely have enough cash to pay their staff ... there's [b]no way[/b] that they will have enough money for any new kit! Yes, the lessors of the two oldest AC A340s looked at leasing them to BW, but ran a mile when they saw BW's financials.

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737-800 + A340 = CFM56

Sat Aug 25, 2001 8:08 pm

Actually there is a fleet-common factor with A340s and 737-800s.
Although whats hung on the latter are newer versions, they are both powered by CFM-56 engines.

But only BWee's bean counters would know what the relative monetary advantages are with all the possible combos:
767+738
340+738
330+738
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RE: Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002

Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:26 pm

That engine commonality is actually a good point favouring the A340 which I did not think about before. I still think that the A330-200 will be the choice. However, the A340 would certainly enable BWee to better compete with BA and VS.

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