PatM04
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I'm Scared For The 757

Sun Aug 19, 2001 11:42 pm

I am getting a little scared for the 757 in deltas fleet. I noticed that they are not going to be sending them to Birmingham at but once a day at 6:30 am. 757's used to be the only plane from ATL-BHM. They have replaced all these flights with 737-800's. I have also noticed lots of flights to places like BOS, BWI, SAN, DEN, and other cities have replaced some 757 flights with 737-800's. Don't get me wrong, the 737-800 is a wonderful plane and I love to fly it but the 757 is by all means my favorite. I just hope that this is not the start of the phasing out of DL's 757
 
BA
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:05 am

PATM04,

Its quite simple, many airlines are doing the same thing. These days US airlines want frequency rather than capacity. This is why you are seeing some 757s being down-graded to 737s, so they can add a couple more flights.

These days passengers demand flexibility. They want to be able to fly to there destination when THEY want to. In-order to do that, airlines have to down-grade to smaller planes, and add more flights. I know that Delta has plans in adding more flights to Denver (DEN) from Atlanta (ATL), and yes I noticed, that I'm seeing less 757s, and more 737-800s now.

But don't worry, there will ALWAYS be a place for the 757.
The 757 is one of the most valuable aircraft for US airlines.

Regards.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:16 am

When I was at DL's TOC I noted a number of engineless B757s that obviously haven't flown for some time ... what's the story there??
 
milesrich
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:25 am

There is a problem with cracked fan blades on the P&W engines on Delta's 757's. Pratt Whitney announced about a month ago that they will have a fix soon, with a redesigned and remachined part. In the meantime, there are about 9 or 10 airplanes that are down. Concerning the "Downgrading" of the ATL-BHM flights. It's a short segment, and if the loads are only running 75-80% full, the 737-800 is a better suited, and the 757's can be shifted to other higher density routes as they seat about 24-27 more people than the 800 does.
 
AmericanF100
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:27 am

I'm not worried about their 757's, I'm worried about the MD-80's. Most airlines are gonna go for commonality and the MD-80's aren't part of the plan.
 
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:22 am

AmericanF100,

You need to rememeber that the MD-80 series is no longer in production. Therefore, airlines can't incorporate them in there commonality plan. These days, airlines want longer ranged medium sized aircraft.

If you noticed, the MD-80 series generally doesn't have very good range. The A320 Family, and 737 series have MUCH better range, which is what is needed these days.

MD-80s are also starting to be a bit on the expensive side to maintain.

Regards.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:45 am

So what if they abandoned one market with the 757's? They still hold a key niche in the world of aviation for thier hot and high capabilities, something that no aircraft has come close to since the 757 was first produced.
 
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:55 am

All of these are good reasons for 757s. which is why more airlines own/lease 757/a320 families than MD-80s. They were great in the 1980s and 90s but MD-80s days are coming to an end.
"FUIMUS"
 
AmericanF100
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:02 pm

BA,

I am aware of the points you touch and understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that I will miss the MD-80's and all the rear engine planes once they are gone. Everything is going to be wing-engined. The 757 is my favourite plane however and I don't mind the fact that it is wing engined.

Matt~
 
Mark_D.
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:10 pm


AmericanF100 I will miss the MD-80s and all the rear engine planes

I still have good memories of flying in DC-9s, back decades ago as a little kid (and I didn't find 'em that loud, not even near the back. Though in truth I didn't stay there long either).

But they're not exactly all gonna be gone, not anytime soon, and especially not with so many MD-80s and derivatives still very much in the thick of things. Plus don't forget the first generation RJs --even if y'might not count them as much-- they'll still be around for a good long while to come (heck they're still being produced. Even introduced ! )

I hope the 717 makes it through the current rough patch. And the 757 sticks around as well, especially now the 753's out. Nice planes!
 
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:25 pm

BA --

True the MD-80 does not have the range of the A320X and 737NG...but when it started production in the early '80's it was competing with the 733/4/5 which does not have the range of the NG or A320. The A320 came around in the late 80's, and the NG around '97 or so.

here ya go...
MD-81: 1,565 nautical miles [typical two class: 155]
MD-82/88: 2,052 nautical miles "
MD-83: 2,504 nautical miles 152
MD-87: 2,374 nautical miles 130

B737-300: 2,595 STATUTE miles [typical 2 class 128 pax]
B737-500:2,730 STATUTE miles [110 pax]

all info is from boeing.com. Saying the MD-80 has inadiquate range is truly unjustified. A few weeks ago TWA flew a MD83 from JFK to SFo and back, non stop.

The MD80 is one of the finest planes out there, and is just starting to show its age with the oldest ones hitting age 21, yet the youngest ones aren't even two years old. The MD80 while it may not be as quiet or long legged at the NG or A320 is a pretty impressive plane.

j/los angeles
 
PatM04
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Tue Aug 21, 2001 5:23 am

The Md-80 is one of my other fav planes. I don't know what I'll do when they get rid of it Sad.
 
Mark_D.
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RE: I'm Scared For The 757

Tue Aug 21, 2001 5:48 am

Yes anything with a range over and above 2000nm I consider fairly long-range! Good enough , almost, for JFK-LAX transcon for instance, at 2150nm.

Those MD-80s (and 90s) are great, they've seen a lot of service. Even though I still prefer the original DC9 variant, and the updated 717 as well. Just truer to that 'small-jet' concept, I guess.

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