ContinentalEWR
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UA JFK-LHR

Sun Aug 26, 2001 2:46 am

Why did United introduce a 777 on the daily UA 956 flight from JFK to LHR. Was this because AA flies a
lot of 777's now from JFK and the 763 is deemed to
be a bit small? UA has been flying 777's from JFK to
LHR and back on the UA 956/957 since April.

Will the UA 976 and UA 904 flights (morning and the
9PM) go 777 soon too or would that be excess seats
in a crowded market?

Also, what did UA operate from JFK to LHR when it
first bought those routes from PA in 1991? 767-200
and 747-100/200?

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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:00 am

Actually, United had a 777 on the route before American did. It's a thing called "Aircraft Utilization Scheduling". The demand was there, so they put it on. United rarely puts a plane on a route just because a competitor does. American has mainly flown Airbus A300-600's and 767-300ERs on the route.

When UA aquired the Pan Am London Heathrow Assets, the route was flown with a 747 for a few months, I believe. United only picked up 8 or so 747s from Pan Am, but I believe most of those planes flew the South American routes.

United has occassionally had a 747-400 on the JFK-LHR route, mostly unscheduled aircraft changes.

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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Sun Aug 26, 2001 6:51 am

I agree... an airline usually doesn't change eqpt for routes just because the competitor did. I flew this 777 JFK-LHR this summer, and it was packed. UA will profit from the increase in premium seats the 777 offers on this route, as First and Business are almost always sold out on UA956.

I thought AA was the first to add the 777 on JFK-LHR. Though both airlines probably added 777s on the route very close to each other, in terms of the date.
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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:58 pm

United never operated a 747-400 scheduled on the JFK LHR route. American was also the first to operate a 777
on the JFK to LHR route (excluding BA, which had one
going back to 1996, operating the BA 112 flight departs
at 6:00pm).

United operated the 747-100/200 on the JFK to LHR
route briefly after it bought the Pan Am routes but
then operated 3 class B767-200's (all 19 in the fleet
are ETOPS qualified) and then introduced the -300's
by the mid 1990's.

United is a deep discounter in the off season in this
market and publishes fares that neither BA, VS, or
AA offer at times. It will be interesting to see if the
flight goes back to a 763 for the winter.

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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:18 pm

Actually, not all of UA's 767-200's are ETOPS equipped. I don't recall the exact number, but if the nose number begins with a 61 it's an ETOPS. Otherwise the nose number will begin with a 62. They are all 3 class airplanes. The non-ETOPS 767-200's were configured in 3 class to compete with AA on the JFK-LAX and SFO markets. As a sidenote, UA aquired 2 747's with the LHR operations from Pan American. They were never used by UA. The official reason was that the galleys did not match the UA equipment and the cost to change them was too great. But I heard the real reason was that these birds had some serious corrosion problems.
 
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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:42 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:

United operated the 747-100/200 on the JFK to LHR
route briefly after it bought the Pan Am routes but
then operated 3 class B767-200's (all 19 in the fleet
are ETOPS qualified) and then introduced the -300's
by the mid 1990's.


Only the 60XX series 762's are ETOPS certified. Airplanes 6002, 6005, 6006, 6007, 6008, 6009, 6009, and 6010 are the Atlantic-capable 767s. Just thought that I'd clear that up.

Also, from time to time, when an equipment swap happens, you may very well find that a 744 has been sent on the JFK-LHR or back segmant. Just keep that in mind.

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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 27, 2001 1:42 am

Corrosion problems on the 747 fleet that United inherited from Pan Am in both the Atlantic and Pacific deals were amazing...

Mechanics were sent to Tokyo to check out a few 747's just after the purchase, and were amazed to find that if you stomped your foot down hard enough in certain places on the floor, you would have an great view of the cargo hold below! Many a 747 were ferried back to the US as they weren't airworthy...

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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 27, 2001 1:46 am

Sometimes UA will use a 767-200 on JFK-LHR. I have seen a few within the past weeks.
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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:48 am

Flyguy1 wrote:

Sometimes UA will use a 767-200 on JFK-LHR. I have seen a few within the past weeks.


That is done as a last min equipment swap. While there is no 767-200 service that is scheduled for international flights, quite a few times a year a 200 is swaped out in place of a 300 for whatever reason. Usually, it is done as a result of a plane that is late leaving maintence, or is having a mechanical.

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RE: UA JFK-LHR

Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:52 am

Thanks guys for clearing it up. I thought I had read on another thread that all UA 767-200's were ETOPS but
I guess only a certain number of them.

I have seen UA swap 763's from the EZE and GRU/JFK
routes for the LHR one when there is a mechanical. In
July 1997 I was travelling to LHR on UA 002 (at that
time, this was the "around the world" flight) and we
had a compressor problem that forced us to return to
the gate shortly after push back. We switched over
to a parked 763 operating as UA 979 scheduled to
depart for EZE at 10:30pm.

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