stephen007
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Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:01 am


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nice shot i must say, but can someone explain why the rear cargo door of the B737 is not closed? anyone want to offer explainations or theories?

hmm....i wouldn't want to lose my baggage though
 
AC_B777
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:15 am

Hey,

As you can see in the picture, it is night and the a/c is being towed, so it may have finished its duty day and is being taken to the hanger for maintenance or cleaning. Also, it might be a repositioning of the plane at another gate for another flight or to just get it out of the way for another plane.
You can see into the cargo hold and notice it is empty, indicating that there is no baggage or cargo in that hold.
My thought would be that this plane is finished flying for the day and is being moved somewhere else.
This is a common practice with us at AC.
Just my thoughts.

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stephen007
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:20 am

btw, how does the B737 cargo doors open/close? they open inward? if so wouldn't that mean that some valuable space is being lost?
 
AC_B777
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:29 am

Hey Stephen007,

Yes the 737 doors open inward. I have only worked AC's/CP's 732's. Yes, there is a little room lost because of inward opening doors. The cargo netting is not placed practically on those planes.
On bulk loaded Airbuses (A320/A319) the netting is placed better and you can get more into the holds.

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stephen007
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:34 am

ok thanks...i always find it very perculiar to see the ground crew climb into the cargo hold to do the unloading/loading...do u find it inconvinient to remove/load maunally without the containers? can u show me how does the interior of the cargo hold looks like?

thanks
stephen
(Singapore)
 
Ndebele
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:47 am

The cargo hold of the 737 is narrow, but the gear is not so high so you can easily jump into the 737 hold without any equipment. The 320 (bulk) hold is wide, you don't have to crawl, you can nearly stand inside the hold. But the gear is so high that you need equipment to reach to the hold.

I personally prefer the 737, because in case of a Last Minute Change (some additional baggage, or so bags to of-load), you can simply open the door, take the bag, and close the door. For a 320, you need to open the door electrical, set a conveyor belt to reach the hold, etc... it takes more time.
Of course, a 320 with containers is really comfortable, but in case of a LMC, you have even more problems.
 
AC_B777
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 4:02 am

Stephen007,

Yes, bulk loaded a/c are more inconvienient than containerized a/c, however, even containerized planes have small bulk holds for some loose baggage/cargo.
Bulk loaded planes are more labour intensive and it takes more work to load/unload them, whereas containers are fairly simple to load and unload, however there are still sometimes problems.
If the planes roller systems are not working right, then it can be hard to get the containers in or out of the plane. However, overall, I would choose containers over bulk loading anyday.
Here are some pictures that I found of bulk loaded a/c.

Tu-154 (737 looks like this hold)

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DC-9 front hold

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DC-9 rear hold

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Hope this helps

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Ndebele
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Sun Aug 26, 2001 4:57 am

Nice pics, AC_B777!

Note that the DC-9 front hold has got an even floor, whereas the rear hold has got a round floor (same for the 717). That's why you can't load heavy items into the rear hold (that would cause damage), you have to load them into the front hold.
 
crewchief32
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:58 am

I really love the simple world of a ramp agent....

If it is so easy to just "open the door and take the bags", YOU are kindly invited to do it for us (at least you can show it to my crew), especially if it is a fully loaded PGT/THY/HLF etc... 738.

And if you are able to "nearly stand" inside an A320, then how "tall" are you??? I`ll look for you........

Most of the "newer" DC-9s (or should I say MD-8X?) have an even floor in the aft compartment, too, the usual reason why HEA`s are loaded into the forward compartments is because these cargo doors are wider!

See you soon,
CC32

BTW, I always thought the A320 (as with all Airbuses) cargo doors opens with hydraulic pressure?????
 
AC_B777
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RE: Cargo Doors Not Closed!

Mon Aug 27, 2001 9:18 am

Hey CrewChief32,

Yeah, I know, how do you open the door and "just take the bag"? Every time I have had to take off a passengers bag, we have nearly emptied the hold. Maybe he's lucky.
As for the A320, the main cargo doors do open outward with hydraulics, but there is a small bulk compartment door just aft of the rear main cargo door. This opens manually and inward. Just like the bulk door on 767's.
This might not be an option on all 320's, but in the case of containerized a/c like AC's, we do have the small bulk door.
Cheers!!

AC_B777
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