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Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:12 pm

Hey,

I saw in the Toronto Star for Saturday that Air Transat has ordered more A330's and A310's. Look in the Travel section of the Saturday star and you would see it. I find that strange.

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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:15 am

I found the article online. I wonder where they are getting the A310s from? Directly from airbus or second hand? I also wonder if the A330s will be -200s or -300s? The article sounds more like a promotional ad for the company - a little strange.

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Air Transat Holidays, the company that reportedly moved 3.5 million passengers to holiday destinations last year, announced this week it has bought six new Airbus aircraft - three A310s and three A330s to replace their aging fleet of L1011s.

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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:56 am

This is very strange. Why purchasing new Airbus after these two incidents? Well its good that they are replacing the L-10's, but A310s are just as old.

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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 1:08 am

The article reads like a promotional ad made to look like a news article. I imagine the decision to purchase the extra A330s was made a few weeks ago, long before this incident although this news is only getting out now. Unlucky timing I guess.

Is Airbus still manufacturing new A310s? I havn't heard of a passenger carrier ordering one in years and as you say even if they do replace the TriStars with them they are probably just as old or at best only slightly newer. You would think they'd scrap all their A310s and buy a new aircraft type in order to keep fleet commonality. Perhaps they just can't afford to do this and the 310s are the next best thing or at least a temporary measure before real fleet renewal occurs.
 
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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 1:37 am

BWIA330/Caribb;
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Well its good that they are replacing the L-10's, but A310s are just as old.
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[E]ven if they do replace the TriStars with them they are probably just as old or at best only slightly newer

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Or to put it another way, they're not just as old.

Air Transat's A310 fleet are all ex-Emirates aircraft, so have been very well looked after, and were built in 1992 or 1993, making them 8-9 years old.

Air Transat's L1011-1 fleet were build between 1972 and 1975, making them 26-29 years old, and the L1011-500 fleet were build between 1982-1985 making them 16-19 years old.

However Air Transat is using the A310 to replace their L1011-1 fleet, so the Airbuses are between 17 to 21 years younger than the TriStars they are replacing.

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Perhaps they just can't afford to do this and the 310s are the next best thing or at least a temporary measure before real fleet renewal occurs
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Replacing 26-29 year old aircraft with 8-9 year old aircraft IS fleet renewal, is it not?

As far as the press release goes, according to Airbus/Bill Harms TS operate 3 A310s and 3 A330s, with 3 A310s and 1 A330 to be delivered.

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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 1:44 am

*Air Transat's A310 fleet are all ex-Emirates aircraft, so have been very well looked after, and were built in 1992 or 1993, making them 8-9 years old

However Air Transat is using the A310 to replace their L1011-1 fleet, so the Airbuses are between 17 to 21 years younger than the TriStars they are replacing.

Replacing 26-29 year old aircraft with 8-9 year old aircraft IS fleet renewal, is it not? *

Thanks for explaining this to us. There is no need to be condescending, I was unaware of them coming from Emirates. It makes perfect sense now. Thank you again for the information, I am better informed.


 
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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:10 am

Hmmm... I noticed something strange yesterday while browsing through Bill Harms' census. Although no A310 has been delivered to any airline in a couple of years now, Bill Harms' site reports an 'unassigned', NEW A310-300 (msn 798) is scheduled for delivery in December this year. Could this maybe be for Air TransAt?

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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 4:26 am

Juul, Could be for Air Transat,
When the fleet is complete there will be 6 A310s at Air Transat, 3 are ex-Emirates and in service. 2 further ex-Emirates aircraft have been allocated to Air Transat, the final aircraft is a bit of a mystery.

Emirates do have another A310, but this is slated to go into storage when it leaves the airline...

Only other destination I could see for a new A310 aside from Air Transat would be one of the Air Forces that use the type such as Canada, Germany or Belgium.

Caribb,
Sorry if I appeared condescending. My post above was a bit harsh. I was more annoyed at the mostly unfounded Air Transat bashing thats been going on for the last few days, rather than anything you yourself said - unfortunately I vented that anger on you slightly. My apologies.

At least we can now agree that Air Transat replacing their elderly L1011s with some smart almost-new A310s from Emirates is a good move, both financially and for their passengers  Smile

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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 4:51 am


Hi guys!

According to Airbus figures for the A310, they have a total of 260 firm orders and thus far have delivered only 255 aircraft (247 of which are in operation). However, the same report suggests that they have no present orders from any airline.

Sooo, that leaves 8 A310-300's that Air Transat can choose from that are either not quite fully assembled or unused by some major airline..

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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A3

Mon Aug 27, 2001 4:58 am

I understand though that TS are intending to keep their L1011-500s for a number of years more, though!
 
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RE: Just Read That Air Transat Has Ordered More A330's

Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:01 am

Yes they are but they are losing alot of capacity replacing the 310's with the 1011-1's. Heck their 1011-1's hold as many as the 330 does.
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