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Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:35 am

A post back in May indicated that Delta plans on keeping its MD-88s for another 10-15 years. Given the need to reduce capacity recently, have estimates on the retirement dates for the MD-88 fleet been pushed up any?
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:37 am

I hope so!!! Those things are pieces of excretion. I hope those all are gone by like 2003.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:44 am

Airbus380 -- why are they pieces of excretion? Is it because you don't like their looks, or do you have some rational reason?

Pete
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:50 am

Why would we get rid of our MD-88's? They are fairly new, They are in good shape and they are dang good aircraft.

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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:55 am

Why a piece of excretion? I don't like very much the MD-88 but those aircraft isn't a excretion. The MD-88 fleet will be retired between the 2005 and 2010 replaced by the 737-800. Remember the future Delta's fleet will be:

Boeing 737-800
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 767-300
Boeing 777-200


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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:01 am

What about the B767-400. Is it included in Delta plans or they didn´t like the aircraft and they won´t have them anymore.
They also need a small plane with capacity between 100 and 145 seats. Today they have the B733 and B732 (Delta Express). Isn´t the B73G a good choice?

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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:15 am

Rojo:

Thanks! I forget the 767-400ER in the future Delta fleet. For Delta Express I consider the 737-600 will be an excellent idea. So the Delta's future fleet will be:

Boeing 737-600(Delta Express).
Boeing 737-800.
Boeing 757-200.
Boeing 767-300.
Boeing 767-300ER.
Boeing 767-400ER.
Boeing 777-200ER.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:47 am

The 736 will not be Delta Express' plane, the new contract has the Express pilots pay based on the 737-700, which is the plane closest to the 732 in size.

Delta plans on keeping its MD-88 fleet until the planes are around 20 years old, which would be in 2006 and it would continue thru 2014 (this includes MD-90s)

Delta's future fleet will be centred on:

Boeing 737-NG (600-900)
Boeing 757/767
Boeing 777

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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 6:02 am

They are pieces of excretion. I flew on one PNS-ATL-AUS. The air conditioning wouldn't turn off. I was freezing to death. I was sitting in 18A. On a 2.5 hour flight I got served a 5 cm bag of bad chex mix and a .5 pint of water. For $500 I don't think that was very nice. And the aircraft was terribblleeeee!!!!!!! The engines sound like a mad swarm of wasps. That whining is ridiculus. DL and any other airlines that have MD-88s should get rid of them.
 
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Airbus380

Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:03 am

I think you are unfair in your treatment of the plane when you talk about what you were served to eat!! Further, Delta's MD88's have a tighter seating arrangement than American Airlines, whose MD80's are nice to sit in. Finally, I've sat in seat row 18A and disagree with your characterization of engine noise as being high or like a "swarm of wasps"! Don't confuse the condition of an airplane with the design. Fly American Airlines MD80's and then report your opinion. By the looks of your forum name however, I think an unbiased opinion may be difficult to come by.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:33 am

Sitting in 18A I doubt you would even hear the "rear" mounted engines.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:38 am

DeltAirliners:

Thanks for the new information! The Boeing 737-700 is a great plane too.


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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 10:30 am

Most of DL's MD-88s may (and many do) look like crap, but from my experience with them they fly very nicely. (Hurry the painting process Mullin!) Also, it seemed pretty quiet to me; but I was in F/C...the furthest possible from the rear mounted engines. Also, DL has something like 1 752 on order atm...are they going to place a larger order any time soon? Some of those planes are 17 years old already.
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 10:53 am

The air conditioning wouldn't turn off.

Why not? All you have to do is turn the nozzle, if that doesn't work, get a blanket, if there aren't any left, oh well. I doubt that every single MD-88 in the Delta fleet has an air conditioner in seat 18A that doesn't work. How can you judge the aircraft by what kind of food you were served? That should be directed towards the airline itself.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:39 pm

I flew onboard an MD-88 from EWR-ATL on 27 DEC 2000. The legroom was standard for that type of aircraft on a domestic flight. The noise level was fine, even lower than an aircraft that has wing mounted engines. The best thing that this type has going for it is the undisputible fact that they have an exeptional safety record.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:42 pm

>>>> The air conditioning wouldn't turn off. I was freezing to death. I was sitting in 18A.<<<<

Consider yourself lucky, there are plenty of MD-80s that have piss poor air condtioning. Did you even ask the cabin crew to have the cabin temp upped slightly? It's adustable you know.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:16 pm

Any 717's for Delta in the future?
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Airbus380

Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:53 pm

You have no right to stereotype every MD-80 made. You can turn the nozzle a different way, If that didnt work you should of told a F/A. Regarding the service, Thats usually what you get on a flight that short. How was the aircraft terrible? The MD-80 Series uses the Pratt & Whitney JT8D Series which are extremely powerful engines. The MD-80 Series is one of the quietest aircraft I've ever flown on. I've sit in 25A and didnt think it was noisy.

So I take it that you want Delta (Who has over 90 MD-88's) Continental who has a shitload, and American that has the most MD-80 Series aircraft to get rid of them??? You know how long and complicated that would be??? Plus what would you replace them with?

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RE:Delta's MD-88

Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:04 am

Travellin'n man:

The new contract with ALPA exclude the Boeing 717 in the Delta's future fleet plan. The Boeing 737-800 will replace the Boeing 727-200 Adv and the MD-88. And for Delta Express the Boeing 737-700 will replace the Boeing 737-200 Advanced.

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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:17 am

Delta has 120 MD-88's to be exact, Continental has 58, and American has around 270. TWA has 103, so by numbers of Super 80 operaters in the US:

1. AA
2. DL
3. TW
4. CO
5. Alaska
6. US
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:28 am

Hi SESGDL:

Do you consider the MD-88 only or the MD-80 series because only Delta and Midwest Express has the MD-88 in service in the United States. Continental operates the MD-82 and MD-83, American the MD-82 MD-83 and MD-87, Alaska the MD-83, TWA the MD-83 and USairways operate the MD-83.


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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:44 am

I have flown aboard the MD80 more times then I can count. I've sat everywhere from First to the back. I have to admit that in the last row abeam the engines it is quite noisy, but other then that I have found them to be among the quiestest in the skies. Easily comparable to the 737NGs and new A320Xs. They have a nice ride and I have always enjoyed my flights on them, although I'd try and avoid the last row. I have never flown on Delta's but can't see them as being any different from AA's, TWA's, Continental's, or USAirways.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Tue Aug 28, 2001 1:47 am

I speak of all MD-80's.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Tue Aug 28, 2001 3:57 pm

There's very few aircraft that I hate.......and of course I love the MD-80.

I have yet to actually fly on one though, but sometime in the near future I most definitely will.

As far a s looks the MD-80's a winner as well, love them T-tails!!

I would give my right arm to fly an MD-80 though and I hope they stick around for quite some time.

OK, as far as DL's MD-88s. The way each aircraft is maintained is the sole responibility of the airline which operates the aircraft or the separate/partner companies which maintain an aircraft through an external maintenance agreement/contract.

So if you flew on the MD-88, of DL's, with a malfunctioning air conditioner that would not turn off, then the fault lies with Delta, not with McDonnell Douglas nor the MD-88 design itself, unless the same incident occurs fairly often over a wide variety of operators maintaining their aircraft accoring to the books. Onyl at which time could it be considered a manufacturers defect. ! Big grin

Phew!!! OK, that's off my chest, where was I?  Big grin

Oh yes, MD-80's RULE!!  Big thumbs up

 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Tue Aug 28, 2001 11:05 pm

I have flown on Delta's MD-88s a lot and I have never had a problem with the noise or air conditioning. The same goes for Continentals MD-80s.

Delta would not order the 717 even if they did not put it in the new contract. It wouldn't simplify the fleet, and the 736 would do the trick in terms of pax and commonality with the other NGs.

Jeff
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:10 am

SESGDL,

You left out a few US operators of the MD-80 series:

Miami Air (MD-87) - have they been received yet?
Midwest Express (MD-81/82/88)
Southeast Airlines (MD-88)
Spirit Airlines (MD-81/82/83/87)
Vanguard Airlines (MD-82/83/87)

Michael
 
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RE: Delta's MD-88s

Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:53 am

MD88s are real cool planes. That series can has a max takeoff of 160000 lbs as oppsed to most 81/82/83s that only carry 149,500 lbs. Thats a lot for a plane that size. It carries a lot of gas too, giving it a 5.5 hour or so range.