AirOne
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Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:29 am

Hi,

I was just wondering if it has ever happened in commercial aviation where a pilot is involved in a crash and stil flys for that airline or another. Even if it wasn't the pilots fault would they fire him? For example SQ006 may have been mainly ATC fault or the American plane that overan the Little Rock runway, when the pilot had been flying for over 24 hours. If they survive, are their careers done for?

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Yes!

Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:40 am

Do you remember that Ethiopian 767 crashing into the water somewhere east of Africa. Terrorists forced the pilot to fly to Australia but they ran out of fuel of course. The captain tried his best and "landed" on the water. He survived as well as some other people. I saw him in an interview and he said he was doing his job again (I hope I can remember correctly but I think so). The crash wasn't the pilot's fault BTW.
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RE: Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:54 am

I don't see why SQ006 should be ATC's fault
 
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RE: Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:56 am

TPE's ATC contributes a factor to SQ006 crash.

But if when the report released in December, and shows that it's TPE's problem, I hope SQ006's pilots can fly once again. (They are innocent IF the report show that SIA don't have to be responsible for the crash)
 
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RE: Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 9:33 am

It is almost impossible to get a decent flying job after a crash, unless you're Al Haynes. One problem is that if they are ever involved in another incident or accident, the press would use the pilot's past in a headline - "Pilot crashes again". Not to mention pax confidence if it gets out, second incident or not. Remember the airline are loaning a pilot $100m worth of aircraft, they want to know it's in safe hands. And so does their insurance company. A commercial pilot for a half decent airline in the west if not everywhere has to have a spotless license.

BTW it is crazy to think the SQ pilot will fly again. They tuned into the localizer and the PFD cleared showed an offset. Plus the F/O tried to bring this to the captain's attention. Plus it wasn't the right runway, and it's not as though those pilots hadn't been there before.
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RE: Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:30 pm

Didn't that SQ incident happen in a severe storm? Why were the pilots allowed to even make the attempt?
 
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RE: Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 2:05 pm

If the accident isn't the pilots fault then I see no reason why he/she should be terminated or reprimanded in any way.
 
jwenting
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RE: Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:13 pm

there is no reason indeed other than PR and lawyers. If that pilot is ever in another incident (no matter what the cause) the vultures will be sueing the airline for all it's worth because of their letting a pilot they know is not safe fly (and a jury will go for that, having read the tabloids and not reliable sources).
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RE: Any Pilots In A Crash Still Flying?

Tue Aug 28, 2001 8:27 pm

Can you spell U-N-F-A-I-R D-I-S-S-M-I-S-S-A-L L-A-W-S-U-I-T?

If a pilot makes no mistake, you can´t fire or ground him, full stop.

I know of two examples here in Germany: The F/O of the Hapag-Lloyd A310 that crashed in VIE last year is still flying - he was smart enough to properlky document his dissent with the Captain´s decision not to land earlier; the other one is the surviving Lufthansa pilot of the 1993 Warsaw crash (A320) - he continued to fly for LH for a few years before he voluntarily retired for personal reasons.

Daniel Smile