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Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Mon Aug 27, 2001 4:55 pm

Qantas set to revive old brand name
The Australian Financial Review - ABIX; Aug 27, 2001
BY JANE BOYLE

Qantas Airways is to revive the Australian Airlines brand name as its new low-cost global carrier. Qantas, which acquired Australian Airlines in the early 1990s, will announce in late August 2001 who is to run the new carrier. The new airline will service less profitable routes, such as between Australia and the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur. Meanwhile, the New Zealand Government is expected to make a decision on the proposed capital restructure of Air New Zealand (Air NZ). Singapore International Airlines is seeking to lift its stake in Air NZ to 49%. Qantas is seeking to partner Air NZ through a 25% shareholding.

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Mon Aug 27, 2001 4:58 pm

 Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile

YAY

I love the name > now i might read the rest of the article  Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:34 pm

Cool. Hopefully they come up with an exciting livery.
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Mon Aug 27, 2001 5:55 pm

Good to see they are starting their cost cutting measures already! Using the old AA brand will save $$$ and have instant recognition. I do hope they revamp the livery though... flying koala next?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Tue Aug 28, 2001 3:14 pm

Sorry guy's but this is old news - I posted the "new" name nearly three weeks ago, at the same time pointing out that QF were looking for "booking space" at Richmond and Avalon to reconfigure and repaint their B767-300's.

As to the livery - well it will not go back to the original "Australian" colours as this will serve to destabilise the domestic branding. Remember the new "Australian" is to serve international routes, so the "tail" will be recognisable as an "Australian" outline, and may even feature the Australian national colours of.......Blue and Gold!!!

Watch this space - the first B767 will be painted in just over three weeks if all goes according to plan

Oz777
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Tue Aug 28, 2001 4:34 pm

But Aussie National colours are GREEN and GOLD. But i guess your the one in the know (Damn i wish i was).

Wonder what it will be, doubt we will get the impulse cocky (though it would look cool), no flyin roos, ummm, maybe the southern cross ??

Glad they chose Australian Airlines though Smile
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Tue Aug 28, 2001 4:55 pm

It would sure be good to see the old Australian Airlines c/s back in the air.

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Tue Aug 28, 2001 6:44 pm

Australian Airlines, that was a shock name, NOT.
Thanks for the information, Oz777 I had read the bit about the name would most likey to chosen.
Wow 2 news worthy items today, but each pretty much expected.

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Wed Aug 29, 2001 2:54 pm

GREAT!!!!  Smile  Smile  Smile  Smile
Just the name that I wanted!
Glad Qantas chose it!

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:32 pm

I wonder what designator they will use, i dont think it will be the QF one, cant be the old one, Air Tahiti Nui has it now (TN). Is there a place where you can look at the un used designators ?
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:40 pm

Qantas has announced the new CEO
See my post
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/558384/

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Thu Aug 30, 2001 3:54 pm

Analsysts are divided:

1045 [Dow Jones] Qantas (QAN) down 5.0% or 15 cents at A$2.84; broker at major bank says announcement expected today on company's plans for cut-price "Australian Airlines" but market not supportive of proposal. Broker adds that Qantas management gave presentation to US institutions overnight, expects offshore selling to add to stock's woes. (RAT)
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Qantas announces Chief Executive for new airline
SYDNEY, 30 August 2001 :

Qantas Airways Chief Executive Officer, Geoff Dixon, today announced the appointment of Qantas Executive General Manager Marketing, Denis Adams, as Chief Executive of Qantas' proposed new international airline.

Mr Dixon also announced that the carrier would be called Australian Airlines.

"We expect Australian Airlines to begin operating in the second half of 2002, initially flying routes into Asia," Mr Dixon said.

"We expect to operate these services out of a number of Australian cities," he added.

Mr Dixon said the airline would also take over some current unprofitable Qantas routes from which Qantas intended to withdraw over the next six months.

He said Mr Adams would be joined by a small team from Qantas to finalise a submission to the Qantas Board and begin initial preparations for the airline's start up.

"We will work with the relevant authorities to obtain an airline operating certificate, as well as approvals for traffic rights and the Australian Airlines route structure," he said.

"Plans regarding fleet, livery and the headquarters for Australian Airlines will be announced in coming months.

"We are very excited about the opportunities offered by this new airline, which would not be possible under the existing Qantas cost structure," Mr Dixon said. "We believe the long term growth prospects for Australian Airlines are very promising, with benefits for employment and tourism."

Mr Dixon said Denis Adams, who joined Qantas in 1996 as Group General Manager Commercial Business, had more than 30 years' experience in aviation and travel.

"Denis brings to the role the benefits of a long and successful career in aviation, at Qantas and during 25 years with the former Australian Airlines, as well as solid experience in the role of Chief Executive Officer gained during his time at Jetset," he said.

Mr Dixon said Qantas had retained the Australian Airlines name since the merger between Qantas and domestic carrier Australian Airlines in 1993.

"We believe Australian Airlines is the perfect name and brand to take this new low cost operation into the international arena," he said.

Mr Adams will take up his new appointment on 3 September

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 1:55 pm



Qantas flies back in time
By CHRIS MILNE
August 31, 2001
QANTAS has gone way back in time for its new low-cost airline, dredging up not only a name from the past but also a boss.

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The old Australian Airlines name has been resurrected as has the man who helped drive it to prominence in the 1980s, Denis Adams.

The new airline will spread its wings further afield than the old namesake, however, with services into Asia expected within 12 months.

The initial operation will use four to six aircraft, probably twin-engine Boeing 767s.

It will take over marginal and loss-making routes from Qantas, hampered by its high cost structure in the competitive Asian region.

Denis Adams helped to transform TAA into Australian Airlines in 1986.

Mr Adams said the new Australian Airlines would be "a full-service, two-class airline" flying non-stop from Australian cities to Asia.

"It will be a simple, lower-cost operation," he said.

"There are good operating efficiences to be had from simplicity."

Costs also could be reduced by using Qantas systems, such as reservations, and outsourcing ground-handling and other services.

Ian Thomas, consultant to the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation, said Qantas had chosen "a pretty smart way to extend into markets which are otherwise uneconomic."

"It has a lot of potential," he said, with Qantas likely to adopt practices used by Impulse Airlines to reduce costs, such as contracted pilots and flight attendants.

The new airline is expected to resume some routes which Qantas dropped during the Asian economic crisis, including flights to China, Malaysia, South Korea and Vietnam and take over some unprofitable Asian routes being operated by Qantas now, including Adelaide-Singapore.

Mr Adams would not name any routes yesterday but said the new airline would have "plenty of options."
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 2:10 pm

Qantas nests low-cost carrier
By JIM BAYNES
30aug01

AUSTRALIAN Airlines will jet back into the sky next year, almost a decade after Qantas dropped the former icon from the nation's airways.

Australian Airlines will be resurrected as a new low-cost carrier for Qantas, and will fly routes that lose or have lost money for country's largest airline.
Qantas this month reported a substantial fall in profit for 2000/01, and is striving to cut costs at a time when cashed-up Singapore Airlines is poised to refinance its rivals Air New Zealand and subsidiary Ansett.

Ending months of speculation, Qantas today appointed its marketing head Denis Adams to run the new airline, which it expects to be operating by the second half of 2002.

The other rumoured skippers had included Gerry McGowan, founder of discounter Impulse Airlines, and former United Airlines executive Anne Keating.

Qantas loves the Australian Airlines name but has not yet decided if there will be a return of the blue kangaroo emblem last seen in 1993, seven years after Trans-Australia Airways or TAA changed its name to Australian Airlines.

"We believe Australian Airlines is the perfect name and brand to take this new low cost operation into the international arena," Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said.

"We believe the long term growth prospects for Australian Airlines are very promising, with benefits for employment and tourism."

Qantas said recently that the first target routes will likely include Kuala Lumpur, Seoul, Shanghai, Vietnam and Sapporo, as well as some others which Qantas will withdraw from over the next six months.

Analysts, who until now dubbed the proposal "Qantas Lite", say that Australian Airlines is the right name – but not necessarily the right plan.

While a submission is yet to go before the Qantas Board, the airline says it is already working towards obtaining an air operating certificate and approvals for traffic rights to the routes.

Qantas shares, which went ex-dividend today, offloaded almost 6 per cent or 16 cents to close at $2.83.

UBS Warburg Australia Equities analyst Graeme Wald said the market was unmoved by the update and wants more detail of the plan.

"The market's really taking a wait and see attitude on this one," Mr Wald said.

But Dicksons analyst Michael Heffernan warned that Australian Airlines risked sparking a fierce price-war from tough incumbent airlines.

"When Compass I and Compass II launched in Australia, Qantas and Ansett were able to bury them very quickly," he said.

"Australian (Airlines) will face what Compass I and Compass II faced."

Qantas has been adamant that Australian Airlines would not be a "no frills" carrier, and would have a two-class configuration with mainly Australian-based staff – although it has signalled a move toward cheaper offshore workers.

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 2:13 pm

I think that Austrlian Airlines will be still using the "QF" code. Justlike all Qantas' subsidiary using "QF" code as well.
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 3:58 pm

FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!

I would like to see, actually, a blue/red/green tail with a white kangaroo in the middle. Take the normal QANTAS red tail with the white kangaroo. Now, change the Kangaroo to the old Australian design. Now, splash the red with blue and green, and perhaps a bit of gold.

Liven up the aircraft body. The aircraft body of the old airline is rather boring, so spic it up a bit, add some color.

I think this will work, can't wait to see it!!!!

YAY*

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 4:42 pm

But QF have said they want the Australian Airlines to be completely different to QF. The thing with the other QF subsiduarys is that QF wants them to look like they are all QANTAS, they wear the QF livery and FAs wear the QFlink uniforms. Australian Airlines will have its own livery and uniforms.

Is the AU designator being used ? OZ is being used by Asiana or EVA isn't it?
 
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AU Used

Sun Sep 02, 2001 6:05 pm

Yup, AU is in Argentina from memory -- Aerolineas Austral or somesuch.

But, there is actually no rule against more than one carrier sharing a code -- is there?

Part of me wonders if the only livery change will be in the name decal (much like Qantaslink took over from Eastern, Sunstate etc.)

Perhaps that and painting the kangaroo gold?

Hmm...

David,
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 6:37 pm

Dixon has said that they dont want the new airline to have the 'flying roo', by this i guess they mean the QF red/white roo.
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:02 pm

I think incorporating the old kangaroo of Australian Airlines is a smart way for Qantas to still be able to distinguish to the world that Australian Airlines is still part of the "kangaroo team" (Qantas).

But i dont think QF wants Australian Airlines to take glory away from the Qantas livery and design :P

I would love to see Australian Airlines soon!!!!

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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:11 pm

I am overjoyed when I see the flying Roo.....looks like an Angel

In all honesty that could be an advertisement ploy...."It's like flying on the wings of an angel..."


Hehehe....you know what I mean!  Big grin

Love the roo!

Aloha 737-200!!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Mon Sep 03, 2001 7:39 am

Australian Airlines used the TN code in the past, a vestige of its previous name TAA or Trans-Australian Airlines.

TN is not an option either though as it is used by recent start-up Air Tahiti Nui (now that's a nice livery!)
 
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RE: Australian Airlines! Here They Come!

Mon Sep 03, 2001 2:21 pm

I think it would be okay for them to share code with Qantas (QF).

I am looking forward to seeing Australian Airlines
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