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Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:49 am

What do you think Northwest's future fleet will consist of? Also do you think that DTW will continue to be its biggest hub in the future (afterall this title used to belong to MSP)?

I think it will consist of

B744
B752
B753
A333
A332 (northwest will realize that widebodies do need to be operated domestically for passenger preference)
A320
A346
A319
And the RJs it currently has

 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:55 am

I agree with you except for the A332 and the A346. I don't think that NW will order THOSE jets. They should order the 777-200 domestic in addition to the A330-300. It'll be like Virgin Atlantic, when they have both the A340-600 and the 777-300ER in their fleet.
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:56 am

 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:58 am

I would love to see a NW A340 try to muster up the power to take off in -10 degress from DTW on a frigid December night. Oh boy I wonder what the outcome of that will be. Can the A340 take off in the cold temperatures of the NORTHWEST??
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:59 am

I don't think it can!
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:03 am

The lowest fare and good service take the cake for passengers. Look at the 757s crossing the ATlantic in Continental's colors. People don't mind the narrow bodies, as long as they are treated good, comfortable seat, and get a good fare. I don't forsee the A330-200 either cause it is a long range aircraft, not a short range high capacity plane.
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:06 am

Isn't the real challenge taking off in hot weather? I'm sure the A340 can't really take off in anything but perfect conditions, even with all 4 engines, in fact I heard Airbus will only be able to certify it for landings, not takeoffs, so you probably won't see it take off anywhere. It'll just come in for landing, then a 747 will tow it to cruise altitude for the trip back Smile

BTW, in all seriousness from a Boeing snob, that is one bitchin' picture, it's too bad the full length of the wings and engines were clipped out, but even so it looks awesome. I hope I get to ride one someday.
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:14 am

A330-340

I respectfully take issue with your idea that passengers 'prefer' widebodies, and I certainly disagree that that would be a driving force behind an airline choosing them. Northwest will buy widebodies because of MORE bodies.....more butts on the cushions on high means more dollars in the bank!

When a traveller is in his or her seat, does it matter how far the walls are away from you? The seat size hasn't changed! Granted there might be a certain issue for claustrophobics, but I don't think getting stuck in the middle of a center aisle, four or more seats away from the outside would help.....

In this day anyway, seat pitch and price are two things US travelers concern themselves with. The only major revolution that the flying public's fancy has had in aircraft design remains the switch from prop to jet, whether it was a DC-7 to a 707 or a Brasilia to an RJ.
 
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Airbus380

Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:40 am

I was in DTW when it was that temperature. I had the exact problem you mentioned!
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 10:17 am

Hi:

The Northwest future fllet will be:

Airbus A319-200
Airbus A320-200 (for replace the Boeing 727s).
Airbus A330-300 (for replace the DC-10-40).
Boeing 717-200 (for replace the DC-9s).
Boeing 747-400 (for complement the current 747-400 fleet and replace the 747-200)
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 757-300 (complement the Boeing 757-200 in domestic high density routes).

RJ_Delta
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 12:25 pm

Hi,

I agree with RJ_Delta, except B717-200 as replacement for DC-9. I think that NW can buy A318s.

Correct me if I am wrong, but A318 does belong to A320 family, where A319 and A320 are. Therefore there is no need for extra pilot training. Less money would be spend, so the airline can invest them on something else.

Just my $0.02

With the best regards,

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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:00 pm

The air is heavier in cold air... thus the engines like it BETTER. Aircraft really like to get up and go when it is cold... even the "horrid" A340.

In Warm air is less dense, this is where you see heavy degredations in engine/climb performance.


I find that narrowbodies are just as comfortable as widebodies, if not more comfortable in coach. First class is the only place where there is the big difference, and that comes with a tremendous cost.


Right now, I have heard that the 777 has the lead for the 747-200 replacement..but i could be wrong. It is really close between the A346/5 and the 773/2. Who knows what the DC-9 replacement will be.. Id like to see the 717..but those DC-9's are going to outlive the A320's they are such reliable planes.
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:41 pm

For commonality purposes Northwest Should have purchased the boeing 777 family in one large order as a replacement for the 747-200s and DC-10s (both domestic AND International). Anyway since they have ordered the A330-300 I would expect them to purchase the A340-600 as a 747-200 replacement since it has cockpit commonality with the A320, A319, and A330

The Boeing 777 in NWA's Livery I doubt it


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P.S. The A346 has all new Rolls-Royce Engines which should provide an ample performance boost when compared the underpowered CFM-56-5C4s of the earlier Airbus A340 models
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:49 pm

I still think NW is seriously looking at the A340-600 as the 747-200 replacement.

The A346 will be primarily used on flights to Asia from SFO, SEA, MSP and DTW, plus possibly the MSP-AMS-DEL route.
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 2:22 pm

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Hell yeah, why do you think they are making that gigantic 1.2 Billion Ed McNamara Midfield Terminal at Detroit??? For Northwest's huge hub operations. I predict Northwest getting even BIGGER AND BIGGER at DTW too. I have been hearing talk about moving several of Northwest's corporate offices to Detroit also from MSP.

 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Wed Aug 29, 2001 10:26 pm

When will the -9s go away, after the 757 and Airbuses have been replaced. That's what NWA crews tell me. They will be in the fleet for another 10 years and probably another 5 before a replacement is even looked at. The last fleet plan I looked at went to 2005 or 6, can't remember, and it had only 5 or so less -9s then today. NWA keeps great care of them and they have a lot of life left.
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:48 am

Up here in the Great White North, Air Canada's A340s have no trouble taking off in the middle of our horrible winters from frigid cities such as Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Also remember that the air at cruising altitude is extremely cold!
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:55 am

When will NW begin using their new A330s on the transatlantic routes?
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:26 pm

In response to "Stretch 8"'s question:

I think around late 2002/2003
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:53 pm

They start taking delivers in 2002 for the A330.
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:04 pm

It's kinda silly to speculate that A340 will have problem taking off. Airbus wouldn't be so dumb to release a plane that cannot take off in either warm/cold weather!

Get real. The aircraft may be a slow climber but it'll work just fine.
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Thu Aug 30, 2001 4:54 pm

Does it really matter from a passenger's point of view how long it takes for an airplane to climb. It must matter to some (perhaps they can't wait to use their laptop or CD player, hmm...)
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:57 pm

Andrej-

The A318 may not be the best replacement for the DC-9's because it may be too heavy for the DC-9's short haul routes, for which the 717 is instead a good choice from an ops pov (though the fleet commonality probably makes a good case for the A318 anyway-who knows?!); it's more like a 737-600, and may be too much plane for them.

Airbus A330-340

I agree climb rate doesn't matter to me as a passenger. I have to say that the A340 (I've been on the 342 twice and the 343 four times) being underpowered makes for the smooooooothest takeoffs I've ever had. Yeah the engines look like hairdryers, but hey, retro is in!
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:10 pm

Never 717. Who is going to put so much money in crew training if not necessairy? A318 is perfect solution and it is not to heavy.

Maybe we can expect even A346 for their replacement of B742.

A340 is not underpowered. As you probably know, the FMC calculates the best climb rate for a plane and in A340 it calculates it the way it looks like it is climbing slowly.

No airplane is underpowered (maybe some Russian)!
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:14 pm

Why replace the DC 9's? Just keep refurbishing them until they become a 717? 30 - 40 years down the runway. Most passengers are not aware of what type of aircraft they are on.

It is all about the dollar, cost, revenue, and expense. If it works do not fix it. They are smart in MSP.

A319's may come to dominate the NW fleet. They have range, and pax apeal.

Why replace the 747 200, just refurbish them like the '9's? Have not heard a concern about fatique in a long time. A twin wide body will win the replacement when it happens. Do not look for aircraft orders soon out of N. America.

The era of the twin engine airliner is upon us, due to the economics. NW will keep the 747 200 flying for awhile.

What about the wonderful A380? Fuel will be cheap in the future?





 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:02 pm

The B742's are gas guzzlers compared to 777's and 346's. Nowadays fuel is so expensive that the airlines will benefit from buying new fuel efficient airliners instead of refurbishing old ones.

The A318 is heavy compared to the B717, but they are intended for different missions. However the 70-100 seat regional jet market is even more interesting since you can have get 100 seat RJ at a much lower price than the B717.
 
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Fuel Cost

Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:50 am

It may cost more to fuel a 747 or DC-9, but remember these are the biggest moeny makers in NWA's fleet cause they are paid for. Yes a 77, A340, 318, etc, would burn less but you have to factor in the cost of an airplane that can excced $150 million, that buys a ton of gas, even for fuel guzzlers. Something to think about.
 
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RE: Northwest's Future Fleet

Sat Sep 01, 2001 1:20 pm

But I would imagine that NW woes off some business travelers due to the lack of a roomy modern fleet.

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