Delta 777s

Fri Jun 25, 1999 11:53 pm

Do you think Delta will eventually enter to an agreement with its pilots over the pay scale for their new 777s? The managment agreed to pay them well above industry average....Why the pilots do not accept these favourable terms? Is there something that we do not know about? How is the airline going to compete with UA and AA getting more and more of these modern airliners??Thank you.
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RE: Delta 777s

Sat Jun 26, 1999 12:26 am

I think Delta will eventually resolve the 777 issue with its pilots. If they do not, I do not see how Delta will be able to add any new aircraft to its fleet. Some posters suggested that since Delta has been so generous with its pilots, they(pilots) are trying to see how far they can go.

RE: Delta 777s

Sat Jun 26, 1999 3:19 am

NO!!! They will not come to terms with the pilots! The so called "DL Pilots" are too greedy for their own good. They want about 40% more than what Leo is offering. Leo did the right thing by not taking the rest of the A/C. The Pilots want to work less and get paid more. When the 777 will do everything for them but taxi to the runway and back to the gate. They "DL Pilots" are nothing more than "Glorified Computer Game Players"! I would like to swap pay checks with one of them and see if they could live on what I make! Do not get me wrong there are a FEW and I mean a FEW Pilots out there that are ok. But only a FEW!
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RE: Delta 777s

Sat Jun 26, 1999 4:05 am

I think that eventually Delta will be flying the 777, but don't ask me to define how long "eventually" is. I don't suppose that they are desperate to get the plane ASAP. They aren't desperate in the way that Continental was to get their 777s or in the way that USAirways is to get their A330s. The European routes that Delta exected to put the 777s on at first are being served fine by 767s, and Delta still has the MD-11 to cover the Asian routes. No routes are dependent on the 777, so Delta has room to play around in the negotiations. I think that they might lease off the 777s that they currently own, just to trey to scare the pilots. My prediction is 6-8 months before the negotiations are finally settled.
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Offical Delta E-Mail

Sat Jun 26, 1999 5:49 am

I sent an e-mail to Delta Airlines reguarding how they would lose business because of this. They are currently very close to making an agreement with the pilots. They want $319 an hour, pretty good money. Eventually they plan to reissue orders for the 777's and plan to expand pacific routes to China and other countries with the 777.

RE: Delta 777s

Sat Jun 26, 1999 5:52 am

This will get settled with the rest of the union contract that comes up for renewal in September. I would bet on about a year, but it will be settled.

The timing of the new aircraft and the upcoming contract negotiations were against a settlement. Nether side wanted to set a precedent for the full contract negotiations.

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RE: Delta 777s

Sat Jun 26, 1999 8:27 am

Delta is waiting for the 767-400s,when all is said and done the 777 might be redundant.
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RE: Delta 777s

Sat Jun 26, 1999 11:09 am

This problem is a serious bummer. I have to side with DL after seeing the wages these guys are demanding. Let's face it, being a pilot is an absolutely cream puff job. Look at executives making similar money and then compare lifestyles. Being an airline pilot is EASY. Fly,rest 3 days, fly, off 5 days, fly, rest 3 days etc etc. I mean who are we kidding here. I guess they get paid for that one crucial moment which may come up once in thirty years where they really have to know their stuff. In the real world, this happens every day. And to boot, we only get 2-3 weeks off per year. Unless of course you're a lucky nationality lotto winner and you get to be European with the 6 week deal. Oy ve.
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Hey Biff

Sat Jun 26, 1999 3:06 pm

Do you have an idea what it takes to become a delta pilot?

Calling them "glorified computer game players" gives me the feeling you don't. Delta pilots are among the most proffesional in the business. They have worked long and hard to get where they are and deserve to get paid whatever they can agree upon.

Wheather a Delta pilot can live on your salary is immaterial and has no bearing on what they should be paid. They should be paid whatever the market can support. If you had to trust your life to a surgeon would you go to the guy who gets paid top salary, or would you bargain hunt for the cheapest price at a clinic.

When you say there are a FEW pilots that are OK what are you actually trying to say? Are you stating that some of the pilots if required would actually have trouble flying the plane? If so then you have no concept of what it takes to keep a job at delta. Every pilot goes for recurent training once a year and undergoes a rigorous simulator proficiency check. Captains go for checkouts every 6 months.

Delta is among the best there is.

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