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How Will Airbus A345/6 Compete With Boeing 777?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 1:58 pm

First off: This is NOT meant to be an Airbus Vs. Boeing Thread!


Anyway how do you feel about the worlds longest airliner (A346) and the super long range A345 competing with Boeing's 777. Will the A340 sell more now that it can take off and fly faster (supposedly due to the RR engines) or has Boeing developed an insurmountable lead?

Which Will Be The Long-Haul Aircraft Of The Future

Airbus A340-500/600



OR


Boeing 777


P.S. Another Question which has a longer range The 777-200ER, A340-500, A340-8000 (I think this is teh 212X model which no coustomer has bought yet).

What is the range of the proposed B777-200LR?
 
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RE: How Will Airbus A345/6 Compete With Boeing 777?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 2:08 pm

B772LR has the longer range, up to 16330KM (8820NM).
 
Mr.BA
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RE: How Will Airbus A345/6 Compete With Boeing 777?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 3:15 pm

Well it depends on the airlines what they need and their commitment is at. Personally, I think the B777 will win. The B777 has established a darn good relationship with airlines and passengers in these years and I believe so too in the coming years.

my 2 cents

alvin
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RE: How Will Airbus A345/6 Compete With Boeing 777?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 3:23 pm

First off I feel the A340 is amongst the most majestic aircraft in the sky.

That being said, I think Airbus made a strategic error in not making the A330 the chosen instrument as the direct competitor against the 777. Many airlines will say why should we purchase 4 engines when 2 will suffice.

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RE: How Will Airbus A345/6 Compete With Boeing 777?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 3:32 pm

By the way, is it cheaper overall to operate the B777s or the A340s?

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Joni
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RE: How Will Airbus A345/6 Compete With Boeing 777?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 3:38 pm


Costs of operating planes depend on the route network, traffic volumes and patterns, financing arrangements, codeshares, alliances etc.

I think the 345/6 and 777LR variants have about the same number of orders? Neither series is selling very fast at the moment.
 
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RE: How Will Airbus A345/6 Compete With Boeing 777?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:19 pm

The 345/6 has sold more than the 777LR variants but perhaps not enough to be decisive. And as Joni correctly said, neither is selling very quickly.

I personally believe it's a niche aircraft like the A380 though with a larger niche or course. The problem with these aircraft though, particularly the B777-200LR and the A340-500, IF and only if the Sonic Cruiser goes ahead, they will be competitively disadvantaged. However, if the SC doesn't go ahead, I personally believe there will be more orders as airlines go for longer, thinner routes or go for mega-hubs (which obviously will be the domain of the A380).

It's been stated that the B777 has an advantage because of its good customer base. This is true, though Airbus has been wooing customers away from Boeing's other products and hence give their A330/340 products a better shot when and if the airline expands.

The main problem with the B777LR products is that only the GE-90-115 series of engines are offered. Similar problem for the A340-600 which will only be using RR Trent 500's. Such inflexibility means that airlines are still doing cost-studies as to which aircraft is the better buy, if in fact they do buy them.

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