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AC: MIA-YVR Article; Is It Ending?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:11 am

Here is a just published article from Miami Today News on AC's new MIA-YVR route, launched in July. Now, the article does mention some incorrect items (i.e: non-stops between Miami and Asia are impossible; people flying between Asia and Miami connect in Denver; longest flight between US and Asia is LAX-HKG), but that's beside the point. It shows high-hopes for AC's MIA-YVR route, but, according to AC's web-site, the route does not appear after 20 October (and niether does IAD-YVR). I find it really wierd that they would even discontinue the route only 11 days before tourist season (when AC starts upgrading MIA-YYZ to wide-bodies). Is it just a suspension or is the schedule not finalzied yet or what? Anyone know? Here's the article...

Air Canada launches nonstop Miami-Vancouver flights to strengthen Asian links

By Mindy Hagen
Allowing greater access to Asian cities from Miami, Air Canada is launching the first nonstop from Miami International Airport to Vancouver, a hub for continuing flights to the Pacific.
The route brings Miami's total of nonstop Canadian flights on Air Canada to six, said spokesman Dick Griffith.
Other Air Canada daily direct flights from Miami, he said, include four to Toronto and one to Montreal.
Mr. Griffith said Vancouver is particularly important for leisure travelers boarding cruise ships to Alaska or business travelers connecting to flights to Asian nations.
"It looks like the Miami-Vancouver flight will be a very profitable route," Mr. Griffith said. "Vancouver International Airport offers very good connections to Asian destinations as an alternative to US west coast airports for business travelers."
Vancouver is also 750 miles closer than Los Angeles to major Asian centers such as Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore. Its airport offers direct service to 12 cities in Asia and the Pacific, including 19 flights weekly to Tokyo, seven to Osaka, Japan; 13 to Seoul, Korea; 10 to Beijing, China, and 28 to Hong Kong.
Miho Ohashi, a research officer with the Japanese consulate in Miami, said a direct flight from Miami to Japan is impossible because of the distance. The longest possible flight from the US to Asia, she said, flies from Los Angeles to Hong Kong in 16 hours.
"The Vancouver flight means one more opportunity for Japanese and other Asians to come to Miami and vice versa," Ms. Ohashi said. "Since there cannot be a direct flight from Miami to Japan, more flights offering connections can only increase travel."
Ms. Ohashi said travelers coming to Miami from Asia usually fly through Los Angeles, Denver or Houston.
Besides fostering more travel opportunities to Asia, a direct route would benefit tourism in Vancouver and Miami, said Normand Villeneuve, Canadian consul and trade commissioner here.
Vancouver, British Columbia's largest city with 2 million people and Canada's third-largest metropolitan center, is in the southwest corner of the country. As a result, Mr. Villeneuve said, most of its residents vacation in the western US.
"Most of the Canadian population from Montreal and Toronto vacation on the east coast of the US and most people from Canada's west go to the west coast," he said. "But perhaps an easier flight connection would convince more to come to Miami."
Mr. Villeneuve also said he hopes Vancouver could become a tourist spot for visitors from South Florida. Called the world's third most popular cruise vacation destination on its airport's Web site, Vancouver's port is home to many cruise ships sailing to view glaciers in Alaska from May to September.
Mr. Griffith said the arrival time of the Vancouver-bound flight, which started July 5, was specifically designed to appeal to potential cruise ship passengers. The Air Canada flight departs from Miami at 7:30 a.m. and arrives in Vancouver by 11 a.m., allowing tourists to board cruise ships in early afternoon before they sail around 5 p.m.
The return flight leaves Vancouver at 1:50 p.m. and gets into Miami at 10:35 p.m., he said.
"This is a great benefit for leisure travelers," Mr. Griffith said. "It's very good timing that they can get on the cruise ships or out to the ski slopes by mid-afternoon."
The Miami-Vancouver direct flight is part of Air Canada's ongoing initiative to improve service to the southeastern US, Mr. Griffith said. This summer the airline has started flying from Jacksonville; Charleston, SC; Greensboro, NC, and Norfolk, VA, to destinations in Canada.
At the end of October, Air Canada also plans to increase flights from Orlando, Tampa and Fort Lauderdale to Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa.
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RE: AC: MIA-YVR Article; Is It Ending?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:43 am

It looks like the YVR/MIA flights will be only on Friday and Saturday, and the MIA/YVR flights will be only on Saturday and Sunday beginning on the weekend of October 12. The last date of YVR/IAD service is on October 13. This is according to what's in the CRS.
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RE: AC: MIA-YVR Article; Is It Ending?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:49 am

Air Canada is on a cutting/suspending flight spree, they have gone YYZ-YVR from 18 times a day to 11-12 timesa day in the winter...same for YYC/YWG/YEG from YYZ, all kinds of cuts everywhere!

YVR-IAD, YVR-MIA follow the same path as YOW-SJC, YXU-YYC, YUL-DEN, YUL-YEG, YYZ-AUS, YYZ-ONT etc etc...many of the flights, including YUL-YEG, YUL-DEN and YVR-MIA are shwoing full loads day in and day out.

AC is showing once again, that it is most Toront-centric, and will cut profitable routes such as YUL-YEG, and YVR-MIA, compared to many low-volume routes out of YYZ that can't be very profitable compared to big market high O&D routes (we are talking of 80,000 pax + more of course)....

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RE: AC: MIA-YVR Article; Is It Ending?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:00 am

FLYYUL, well, at least MIA-YVR is not ending. Twice-weekly is okay, but still, how is that supposed to work? Vancouver service is something Miamians and Western Canadians have wanted for a long time. In the summer, it transports all the Miamians going on Alaskan cruises (the latest and hottest trend in Miami for vacations is Alaska) and in the winter it brings in Western Canadians who would otherwise connect in Toronto and Montreal. Let's hope the decrease in frequency is only temporary. I understand, though, that with the economy the way it is, lot's of cutbacks are coming (not only AC, AA is ending one of thier three daily MIA-YYZ flight in September, but is bringing it back in January)

RE: AC: MIA-YVR Article; Is It Ending?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:52 am

YVR-MIA Profitable? Details, please.

AC has made some bad decisions in the last few years, Austin and Ontario among others. I suspect Miami/Washington to Vancouver are further examples...both routes seem rather thin and unusual (even with Mah4546's Miami boosterism - No offense I admire your chamber of commerce mentality)...and better served with connections or reduced freqencies.
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RE: AC: MIA-YVR Article; Is It Ending?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:25 am

Does anyone know were you can find out information, if publicly available (highly doubt it), on routes? Jon, the main reason I am surprised is that AC launched the route with high-hopes. Now, going to weekend-only flights is way better than discontinuing the service altogether like they are doing for IAD, because at least it shows demand does exist (UA also runs a daily one-stop MIA-DEN-YVR flight). Though I really did think something like this was going to happen. AC launches many routes and keeps for only a few weeks, sometimes ending service before it starts (as the case with Spartanburg, South Carolina this summer). On another note, when was IAD-YVR started? I do disagree with you however, that Miami-Vancouver seems like an unusual route.
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RE: AC: MIA-YVR Article; Is It Ending?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 12:15 pm

Keep in mind that the Alaska cruise season runs May through the end of September.

So, yes, even though South Floridians may be taking Alaska cruises from Vancouver, this is seasonal. Since the Caribbean cruise season is year round, it seems there would be more Canadians taking this flight as opposed to S Floridians taking this flight, hence the seasonal reductions.


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