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Can American Inherit Jets?

Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:41 pm

I just had a question about American's polished metal livery. I noticed when Hawaiian acquired the DC-10-30s from Continential, they painted the entire AC white and added the Hawaiian cheatlines and logo on the tail. But the original DC-10s they got from American have the same polished metal look, but with Hawaiian colors and Logos. I asked a pilot at Hawaiian why they didn't just make the Continential ships the polished metal look. He told me that when you scrub the paint from an airframe, the metal looks kind of swirly and not nice and shiny, so they went ahead and painted the whole ship white first. Is this true? Does this mean that when American acquires ships from other airlines that they can't use their shiny metal scheme? Or do those ships have the same swirly metal look?
 
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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Fri Aug 31, 2001 5:17 pm

American stripted the white of the AirCal 733s they inhierited, however the kept the reno md-80s white. i heard the reno painted had some sort of special pain or they were specaily treated, so it would be harder to remove the paint.
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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:47 pm

Yes AA stripped Air Cal's 737-300's and -200's down to bare metal:


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and they are already starting to strip the paint off of the TWA fleet:


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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:23 pm

I seem to remember a white AA DC-10 leased in from somebody many, many years ago...
 
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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Sat Sep 01, 2001 1:47 am

I think this is what ETA was referring to, a white AA DC-10 acquired from DL.

Looks kind of ghostly.


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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Sat Sep 01, 2001 8:54 am

There could be a difference in maintenance issues (depends if CO does the maintenance on the DC-10s they lease to HA). Polishing or Painting in theory costs about the same when looking a the big picture.

I think if AA is going to keep the planes in the fleet for a long period of time, they will change the paint to polish. Reno's aircraft were kept white because they were either leaving AA's fleet, or there was something wrong (rust?) (I heard both, but I forget).

The new TWA'A jets look good in person, I just seen one in TUL the other day and was impressed by TWA's work.
 
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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Sat Sep 01, 2001 1:04 pm

>There could be a difference in maintenance issues
>(depends if CO does the maintenance on the DC-10s
>they lease to HA).

Or it could be a requirement of the lease to maintain the base white coat of paint.

>Polishing or Painting in theory costs
>about the same when looking a the big picture.

Not according to AA:
Q: Over the course of a year, what is the estimated fuel savings operating an AA non-painted 757 vs a painted one like United for example? What's the weight difference?
A: Sorry for the delay. The weight difference between a polished and a painted B757 is about 200lbs. With about 120,000 annual departures, this translates into about $300,000 annually in savings in fuel.

>I think if AA is going to keep the planes in the fleet for
>a long period of time, they will change the paint to
>polish.

Yep.

>Reno's aircraft were kept white because they were either leaving AA's
>fleet, or there was something wrong (rust?) (I heard both, but I forget).

Nothing wrong with ex-QQ airplanes. Fuselages were annodized(sp?) to protect against rust. This was the owners requirement and contained in the lease agreements QQ signed in order to use the planes. Fuselage skin panels would have required replacement in order to meet AA polished metal standards. Approx. cost for a single MD80/90 aircraft = $3,000,000.00.

For this reason, and numerous others, AA decided to replace the ex-QQ airplanes with new purchase B757s.
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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Sun Sep 02, 2001 6:45 am

I think AA has more flexibility compared to Hawaiian Air. First of all, AA's fleet is massive compared to the average major airlines' fleets. That means that they can spare several aircraft and it wouldn't affect their routes one bit. Hawaiian Air doesn't have a huge fleet so they can't take the time(how ever long it is) to polish the silver. Also, there may be a cost to cleaning off the swirls too.
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RE: Can American Inherit Jets?

Sun Sep 02, 2001 7:19 am

It's much easier to strip the Continental titles off and add some Hawaiian logos than to strip down the entire fuselage down to the bare-metal look. Notice that the schemes of the leased -10s are all somewhat consistent with their previous operators. Now, keep in mind that the L-1011s, DC-8s, DC-9s, and now 717s all had the white base for the c/s, so evidently the bare-metal look was to be retained as per the lease agreement HA signed with AA.


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