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Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 1:42 am

Hi:

Last winter Delta made a test flight form New york to Beijing using a Boeing 777-200 over the North Pole route. Delta said that soon they start the flights to China, what happen ? Probably the problems with ALPA's negociations delayed the iniciation of the new flights.

Recently the US and Vietnam goverment give the autorization to start new service between the two countries. That, I consider a new step to start the service to Asia, although is a small step, because Vietnam doesn't have a great importance for the US. air market.

China is a excellent market to serve specially from different cities like New York or Atlanta giving for choices for the travelers. I think that Delta has a great oportunity starting the new flights to Asia from these points. The New York route give the best option because the passenger can connect with the majority cities in US, Europe, Middle East and Latin America. The first step is started when the route JFK-NRT.

Possibly new Delta routes to Asia would be:

New York (JFK)-Beijing-Shanghai.
New York (JFK)-Hong Kong.
New York (JFK)-Seoul, but probably start this service with codeshare with Korean Air.
Atlanta- Hong Kong.
Atlanta-Beijing-Singapore.

Anything else?

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RE: Delta: Future New.

Sat Sep 01, 2001 1:45 am


I don't know what happened, but the title is NEW FLIGHTS TO ASIA

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 2:16 am

Unfortunately, the contest for the ten weekly flights was between UPS, Delta and one other airline (CO, I believe).

UPS won the permissions, and Delta & Continental (if that was the airline) were left high and dry.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 4:06 am

Why would DAL start JFK-HKG when UAL is shutting down this route? CO has this route out of EWR and seems to be profitable.

I like the idea of ATL-HKG perhaps that would be a better option? JFK is full of carriers heading to Asia and Europe so why would Delta make a difference in that market?

I am not trying to disprove your idea just trying to find some answers.
 
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 4:39 am

777D:

Delta is trating to develope a excellent new Hub in New York Kennedy. Your are right about that exist many carriers to fly between New Work and Asia but exist possibilities for Delta specially in routes to China.
How many China's airlines serve New York city?

Atlanta is the another best option, but the increase of the future flights depend of the expansion of the airport.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 5:11 am

I would like to see Delta develop the South Pacific myself. There are not alot of carriers serving North America with the South Pacific. Also I like to see Delta move into the west coast more with service to YVR.

I hope Delta does have a huge impact on JFK with flights to Asia but which aircraft would they use or order to serve these routes? With the downturn in the economy, and just say they place an order at the end of the year, they would not receive these aircrafts for another 3-5 years perhaps? By that time other carriers might move in and perhaps establish a strong hold on passengers and cargo?

I am a American Express Delta Miles holder here in Seattle so I would like to see Delta have more of a impact in Seattle and the west coast. I believe that Delta would be great for a INT flight from SEA to LGW because British has a lock on that market and Hawaii just for the fact that Northwest has a hold on that out of SEA. I am being alittle selfish....LOL...

Anyways, the idea of Delta serving Asia from JFK, ATL, or LAX and even returning to PDX would be great!! More competition is always a good thing!!
 
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 5:17 am

777D:

Probably in the future Delta consider his expansion to the South Pacific all depend of the new deliveries, specially the 777 deliveries. The excellent aircraft for serve the South Pacific would be the 777-300.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 5:38 am

Kind of off the topic, but...

I just looked at a Delta Timetable and noticed that Delta has no 777 service out of JFK. They have 767 and MD-11. When will the 777s start to show up at JFK?

The timetable was from June, that may help. If they have already started 777 service, I stand corrected.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 6:05 am

Delta's 777 will fly from JFK to FRA to BOM daily as Delta 106/107 from September 1.
 
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 6:18 am

Thanks Crash Landing. I thought it would be soon.
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 6:22 am

Don't listen. He's wrong. Consult http://www.delta.com for more information - they are continuing to fly the 767-300ER on the Kennedy-Frankfurt-Bombay route.

But you are right - there is now no 777 service in New York. The Paris flight is operated by a 767-300 for the Fall schedule.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:17 am

Hi:

The new service with a Boeing 777-200 is not confirmed. I hope that Crash Landing has the reason and Delta decide improve the JFK-FRA-MUM with a 777 or a 767-400ER.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:35 am

Sorry guys, but Delta 106/107 will not be upgraded to a B777 this fall/winter.

Delta B777 scheduling changes for this fall are twofold:
-Delta 128/129 ATL-DUB-SNN-ATL/ATL-SNN-DUB-ATL were downgraded to a 763.
-Delta 58/59 ATL-LGW/LGW-ATL were changed from MD-11 equipment back to B777 equipment, using one of the aircraft freed up by the downgrade of 128/129.
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:38 am

the 767-400ER will still be used on the ATL-MIA and ATL- MCO routes. I think they will not use them on international anytime soon like CO did EWR-RIO and soon EWR-Europe.
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:42 am

Guys:

Delta will receive a new 777-200 in the next year.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:43 am

RJ_Delta: 767-400ERs are not, and most certainly WILL not be converted for international use for the forseeable future. Delta's international plans revolve around the 767-300ER and 777-200.

Bombay will NOT be receiving 777 aircraft. The service is, and will continue to be for a long time, a 767-300ER service.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:50 am

Oh my, Delta is getting a grand total of one 777? How exciting...  Big grin

Delta is up for some stiff competition in the NYC market, mainly from CO. Delta has no domestic network to JFK, while CO has a large domestic network into EWR. CO can generate feed that DL can't. Most flights out of JFK are O&D, as JFK isn't really a hub. Also, UA will be giving DL stiff competition at JFK through Star. DL needs to stay on their turf in ATL.
 
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:51 am

N863DA:

I agree with you, but I hope that Delta improve their services. Do you think that the new 777-200 Delta improve the JFK-FRA-MUM.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 10:57 am

Cba:

The Delta's JFK hub is considered specially for international routes.
And in accord with the Delta's Annual report 2000 the number of the future 777 fleet will be: 26 including the options by the 2004 and the total with the rolling options the number increase to 50.

Delta needs the Boeing 777-200.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:00 am

From a passenger perspective, not really. Did you fly on the Delta 777 in Coach? It's hell on God's earth.

However, in BizElite, I confess that the 777 is better than the 767. (But if you're in BusinessElite, who gives a damn what aircraft you're on in the first place?)

Delta are doing just fine on the Bombay/Mumbai (IATA code BOM) at the moment - it would serve to complicate things too far to change the service to a 777. (The JFK-FRA could probably sustain it, but the FRA-BOM could do no such thing.)

I apologize if I came on a little strong in the last post. I didn't mean to.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:14 am

N863DA:

Why you said that about the Economy Class on the 777? I don't fly on a Delta 777. But I hope to fly in this beauty bird in a short time.

Accord with your old post no problem, Greetings from SCL

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sat Sep 01, 2001 12:04 pm

Topic: RE: Delta: Future New
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Oh my, Delta is getting a grand total of one 777? How exciting...

Delta is up for some stiff competition in the NYC market, mainly from CO. Delta has no domestic network to JFK, while CO has a large domestic network into EWR. CO can generate feed that DL can't. Most flights out of JFK are O&D, as JFK isn't really a hub. Also, UA will be giving DL stiff competition at JFK through Star. DL needs to stay on their turf in ATL.




JFK's current role in Delta's route structure is to serve local NYC traffic as well as European connections from other North American cities. JFK does not also function as a domestic hub or primary domestic connection point for Delta, which partly explains why JFK's domestic network is nowhere near as extensive as CO's is out of EWR.

Continental definitely provides stiff competition for Delta in the arena of transatlantic operations. Neither one is hurting in the NYC market, as both Continental and Delta are dispatching full aircraft across the Atlantic from Newark and New York/Kennedy, respectively.

As far as domestic traffic goes, Continental's got Delta beat in the NYC market. Continental offers so many more domestic nonstops from EWR than Delta does from JFK that it's not even close. For now, anyway. Delta's management have made it clear that they intend to grow JFK rapidly, both internationally and domestically, so we will see whether the JFK gateway develops into a Delta hub.

In response to your comment about Delta sticking to its turf at ATL, I both agree with you and disagree with you. While I think Delta has a solid market position in the NYC international market, I believe that a Delta HKG flight can only be supported from ATL, at least to begin. JFK-ATL-HKG offers a convenient, same concourse connection for Delta frequent flyers who would want to go to HKG, and ATL's domestic feed is unmatched by any other hub in the world.

If I were a betting man, I'd say Delta is looking pretty hard at the B777-200LR for some ultra long haul flights to Asia. But my guess is that they know that they need to start these flights from a well established domestic hub. Atlanta is perfect for that.

Finally, in response to N863DA, yes, BizElite is fabulous in any of the 3 types that are equipped with it, but BizElite on the 777 and MD-11 is definitely a more comfy experience, since the seats are wider. Besides, I'm partial to the 777's inviting interior and graceful exterior lines.
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sun Sep 02, 2001 3:27 am

DeltaSFO:

The 777 Longer Range is a good option for the South Pacific routes.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sun Sep 02, 2001 3:46 am

LGA is also a major part of domestic, at least the east coast (after all, they use two terminals!)
 
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RE: Delta: Future New

Sun Sep 02, 2001 6:02 am

Hi Firstclasser:

LGA is a very busiest airport, but you can fly to diferent cities in the East Coast. As La Guardia is a busiest airport you have to spend many minutes in the airport to take off. Better choose another airport like Newark or JFK.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sun Sep 02, 2001 8:05 am

Delta could introduce the Los Angeles-Beijing route?

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sun Sep 02, 2001 11:36 am

Several years ago Delta had a very well-developed Asia service from their hub in PDX. I don't know why they gave up on Asia (other than Japan), but I suspect it's because they found more profitable options.

There is only so fast a business can grow. DL is very conservative, and they like to keep their debt to equity relatively low. That wouls limit growth, particularly during a recession when profits are dwindling.

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RE: Delta: Future New

Sun Sep 02, 2001 12:34 pm

RJ_Delta-I'm not sure if Delta would ever do Los Angeles-Beijing because LAX is already well-served by the Chinese carriers: China Eastern, China Southern and Air China. Passengers can make an easy connection via SFO on UA. If Delta ever did an Asia expansion from LAX, maybe LAX-ICN (Seoul) because of it's partnership with Korean Air, the large trade and cultural links between Southern California and Korea and not to mention the huge Korean-American population in the area. Just a thought though, who knows...

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