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2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Mon Sep 03, 2001 6:26 pm

Read this guys:

New supersonic executive jets dubbed the 'Sons of Concorde' are being developed.

The imminent resumption of commercial Concorde flights has encouraged companies to develop smaller supersonic passenger jets.

Engineers and designers for companies including Boeing, Lockheed and Nasa are drawing up blueprints for planes which would be cleaner, quieter and quicker than Concorde.

The next generation of supersonic aircraft could be taking off in five to 10 years, The Sunday Telegraph reports.

A top-of-the-range 10-seater supersonic business jet could cost about £60 million, according to industry estimates.

Concorde is not allowed to fly supersonically over land because it is the world's dirtiest and loudest commercial aircraft. Its sonic booms can shatter windows and damage buildings.

Engineers believe they can produce a new generation of aircraft that will be quiet enough to allow them to fly supersonically across land.

This will be done by extending the nose and tail sections, "flattening" the pressure waves created when a plane passes through the sound barrier.

Peter Coen, a spokesman for Nasa, said: "We already have a sonic boom that is a quarter of Concorde's. That may not be quiet enough but we can cut it even more."

*Concorde story sent by Ananova



See this story on the web at http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_388312.html

Wouldnt it be good if some of you could do designs for new Concordes, then post them here, and we'll think about them and discuss them  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Mon Sep 03, 2001 9:00 pm

I thought people here liked concorde, maybe i was wrong :-(

plz reply with your comments  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 12:02 am

Yeah, Dassault Falcon is making a supersonic business jet- here's the link.

http://www.falconjet.com/pubs/falconer/fr3q98/3qtr-98-p3.html




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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 2:30 am

They've been talking about supersonic business jets for 10 years, Grumman and Russian companies produced the first proposals in 1991.
I don't think ANY boom will be acceptable overland, look at the opposition quiet conventional aircraft increasingly encounter.
Also, the lack of a suitable engine, not to mention noise/emission issues.
It might happen, but I doubt it for the near term.

 
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 2:43 am

Actually, I have heard that Boeing is now studying another Supersonic Aircraft. Hope it will succeed!
 
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 2:55 am

Yup be great to see, but.. lotta issues, to tackle. Not least of which huge development budgets, even for a small-sized jet! Lot of risk, maybe the Europeans or Russians might go for it though, with some overt or covert state backing and a fairly courageous attitude stuck to, by the design teams.

For guys in the States, seems there's an ongoing priority for development of just the X-33 prototype, which apparently the Air Force has now taken over, from Lockheed-Martin.
 
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 2:58 am

What an airliner? They could not wait to pull out of the HSCT project with NASA in 1999, when they realised that they may build an aircraft that met stage 3 noise requirements, but by the time it would enter service, stage 4 would be in force.
Plus the huge costs, and likely major objections from enviromentalists. (Hundreds of SST's at 60-70,000ft would not be good for the ozone layer, and Boeing, or anyone else, are not going to start a project unless they think they can build at least 300).
People bitched about Concorde, just 14 in service at most, even 20% less emissions than Concorde, which is what the HSCT team were looking at, would not be sufficent.
Then there's the sonic-boom problem, and it's a problem however much it's reduced.
Maybe this is a reference to a developed SC doing Mach 1.2?
Every few years the manufacturers produce SST proposals, I'll belive it when they start cutting metal.

 
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 2:58 am

Alright! Go Dassault!!! With their vast experience this project should be a piece of cake for them. I know their is concern about noise, but a sonic boom from a small plane 12 miles above your head can't bother too many people.

If worse comes to worse, maybe they can compromise and fly supersonic only over relatively unihabited regions. Perhaps the US and Canada can designate supersonic corridors for travel cross country?
 
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 4:05 am

One other point, Exec Jets, the world wide leader in fractional jet ownership (owned by Berkshire Hathaway, Warren Buffet's investment company) has already announced they would order several hundred supersonic exec jets from the first company to develop them. That should show what the level of demand is among existing executive airplane owners is, I'm guessing that Paul Allen alone will probably buy 3 or 4 for his air force...
 
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 4:09 am

After Boeing's expierence with their SST in the 60s, they won't build a new SST for a loooooooooong time.
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Tue Sep 04, 2001 4:18 am

Alright!!!

However, isn't there already a European design to replace the Concorde? I thought it was the NG SST2007, which really does look sleek.

I also hear about an Aerospatiale Matra or something like that, but that one had no windows in the flight deck. Perhaps that killed the project?

But wow this is exciting news, it'd be great to see a Boeing supersonic jet, it'd be even better if it resembled the 1970s design!  Big thumbs up

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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Wed Sep 05, 2001 6:19 am

Europe, led by EADS France and BAE Systems still produce proposals for SST's, but that's all they are.
Airbus a few years ago had the choice between a new SST and the A380, no matter what you may think of the superjumbo, who would doubt that Airbus has made the safer, more practical choice?
 
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Wed Sep 05, 2001 12:39 pm

I'm looking for a widebody SST aircraft personally.  Big grin

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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Wed Sep 05, 2001 7:49 pm

Wasn't the reason that Boeing pulled out of the HCST program was because of the differences between two market studies done in 1996 and in 1999 where the first one said that passengers were willing to pay 25% more to fly faster and then later said that they wouldn't pay more?

Wasn't this 25% increase in fare the base for the entire research program? What makes a plane fly, money, right?

I like the idea of smaller SST's. Smaller size means a smaller mass to push, less fuel burn for less force required and since fuel makes up for most of the fare, there wouldn't be a need to increase it.

BTW: I'm sure the SC will either be cancelled or conservitized within a few years tops, that Valkyre-ski shape isn't going to last.

peace out dudes,

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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Wed Sep 05, 2001 7:58 pm

The supersonic Biz-jet is probably the most likely aircraft catagory to be developed as a supersonic aircraft.

That is because time is money and there are quite a number companies that will be willing to spend the money on the aircraft and the fuel burn to get their executives back and forth as quickly as possible.

Since the Gulfstream/Sukhoi deal fell through, the Dassault team is the one with the best experience to develop this aircraft.
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RE: 2nd Generation Of Concordes May Be Here Soon!

Thu Sep 06, 2001 12:11 am

SSTjumbo:

Nope. They are studying another Supersonic Aircraft.

Regards.