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BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 9:31 am

I keep catching the tail end of news reports on local Denver stations about a fire involving a British Airways 777 during refueling. It sounds like the plane did not suffer any significant damage, but the flight is cancelled for tonight. Any additional details are welcomed.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 9:35 am

Wow! That's news to me. Keep us posted, if you please Mark. Regards.
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 9:38 am

Whoa.............

First BA incodent in DEN I recall?
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 9:40 am

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 9:43 am

Okay thanks......
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 10:01 am

Oh boy, it looks pretty serious from the picture..... Insane
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 10:14 am

Yes, it looks serious to me too. Hope that ramp agent is not badly hurt. Did anyone see a tail on that 777? I know that photo is dead-on center. Or is my eyes playing tricks here? I certainly hope this 777 is not the first write-off of its kind. Regards.
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 10:18 am

It does look serious. Let's hope it will not be a write off and the guy get well soon.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 10:42 am

Why does it look serious? Can you enlarge the picture? because I can't see any fire damage at all. Where are you all looking?
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 10:51 am

What a mess. Imagine the passengers viewing such an event from the terminal window.
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 1:46 pm

Just an update after watching the local evening news coverage here...

The aircraft had just started to undergo refueling as the last remaining passengers were deplaning when the fuel truck became engulfed in flames. Shortly afterwards, a fireball estimated by witnesses to be 25 feet high and about 20 feet wide had enveloped the left wing of the aircraft. Ground grews did an outstanding job of knocking the fire with extinguishers down before ARFF arrived and extinguished the flames. The source of the fire is unknown and will be investigated by the Denver Police Department (this is classified as an industrial accident).

The aircraft had some minor damage under the left wing and some sooting of the enging cowling, but nothing serious. One ground crewman suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 90% of his body and is listed in critical condition at a local hospital.

Passengers who could not make alternate arrangements will stay overnight in hotels and likely be on their way again tomorrow.

This is the first significant incident at Denver International Airport since it's opening.

A on editorial note, I was really annoyned at the passengers that were interviewed on the local news channels here. A man nearly burned to death in front of their eyes and all they are doing is pissing and moaning how they are going to get to London a day late. If I had witnessed the incident I know I would have a hard time sleeping tonight...and not because my vacation started a day late. My condolences to the crewman and his family...

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 2:03 pm

YES, VERY SERIOUS. This 777 may be a W/O due to a dirty wing !!!!!.

Why do you all say it looks so serious ?, What damage can you see ??
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 2:10 pm

If the fire heated the wing enough to affect the temper of the alloys used to construct it, the aircraft is a write-off for sure.
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:17 pm

242, there was a ground incident with a US 767 where an engine exploded, sending pieces through the wing. The last I heard, the plane is getting a new wing. If that aging 767 wasn't written off, there's no way this newer BA 777 would be written off.
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:32 pm

How can you tell me about NWA DC-9 replaced total new wing? NWA DC-9 accident in DTW fog while taxing into wrong on the runway. NWA DC-9's wing is total damaged. The Air Canada landed emergency in CVG. The aircraft is total damaged. Air Canada DC-9's wing is fine. They pulled out the wing and put into NWA DC-9 new wing on it. I bet they can replace new wing of B777. I doubt that written off for the newer B777. The aircraft body is more expensive than the wing!

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:35 pm

242, there was a ground incident with a US 767 where an engine exploded, sending pieces through the wing. The last I heard, the plane is getting a new wing. If that aging 767 wasn't written off, there's no way this newer BA 777 would be written off.

I've heard that US Air 762 was written off, but I will agree a new wing for the 777 is a distinct possibility, although it'll be out of service for months just awating parts, much less the huge job of removal/installation.

 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:40 pm

"The aircraft body is more expensive than the wing!"

I don't think so. Fuselage sections are relatively simple compared to the wings. Ever been inside a 767 wing (fuel tank)? I have. It's a very complex and impressive structure to say the least.

 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:43 pm

In case the aircraft was damaged, will the Denver Airport Authority be responsible for the expenses British Airways will have to make to repair the aircraft?
The aircraft is insured, I'm 100% sure about it but still I guess DAA will cash out for this.
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 3:54 pm

Well, the aircraft was being refuelled when there are still some passengers onboard. I thought they were not supposed to refuel the aircraft when there are passengers onboard? Maybe one of them used his/her mobile phone.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 4:35 pm

The aircraft *should* be G-VIIK which operated the outbound sector from LGW.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 4:51 pm

Well the UK News people don't think it's serious as they aren't reporting anything. Only Capital FM Radio (london England), are reporting from a Denver News Helicopter.

This is a very serious incident. There seems to be a spate of incidents involving fuel recemntly. An investigating I think is going to be launchd obviously and I hope British Airways get down to the cause of the problem. A very tragic and sreious incident.

Does anyoone know if the Jubilee will be written off?
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RE: Singapore_Air

Thu Sep 06, 2001 5:33 pm

Just a little note, only Singapore Airlines's B777s are named Jubilee. It does not apply to other B777s.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 6:58 pm

Hey Alvin! Sorry, force of habit.

Anyway, no UK News Channels are reporting
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 7:16 pm

Does anybody know if they used tankers or hydrant trucks at DIA?

Chances are if it was a hydrant truck the only fuels involved would be the fuel in the hoses and the filter vessel and the trucks own gas tank.

From the description on a single 25 foot bust of flame it sounds like it wasn't a big explosion. Chances are the skin wasn't heated enough to damage it. They will probably test it-(Eddy current????) to determine if the temper of the metals changed.

From that lousy photo on the link provided by Brick it doesn't appear that the airplane was badly hurt if at all. Most of that mess is from the AFFF that the fire trucks sprayed on the refueler and the aircraft to douse the fire.
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 7:40 pm

It's kinda weird UK doesn't reports this. I guess they will sooner or later as I have got a mail from Ananova about this incident.

More importantly, how was the guy that was seriously injured? I hope he will get well soon.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 8:43 pm

Interesting. I don't reacall of anything like this hapening lately. Best of luck to the injured ground worker.
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 8:53 pm

More from the Denver Post:

Worker badly burned in fuel blaze at airport
09/06/2001

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1002,53%257E135800,00.html

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 11:20 pm

He did fuel the plane from a crane 50 (!!!) feet off the ground?????
What did he fuel? The tail??
And then he jumped down???
He then should have more injuries from slamming onto the concrete rather than from the flames....

Stupid media.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 11:44 pm

I don't think the plane is a total write off just yet.

If there is thermal damage to the wing from the fire the plane may be moved to the (UA?) maintainance hangar at the airport to await a new wing (and possibly replacement engine) shipped in from Boeing's assembly line in Everett, WA.
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Thu Sep 06, 2001 11:56 pm

The City of Denver (which operates the airport) would not be responsible in this case, nor would they be liable for damages to the aircraft or for repairs. Since BA contracts the fueling to a private company, the matter would be settled between themselves.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 1:05 am

here's another piccy of the BA 777 for you.
Scroll down to get to it.

Its the first UK news item I've found on it...

http://www.itn.co.uk/world.shtml

 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 1:15 am

So what happens to those "hundreds" of pax who didn't have a plane to get on? Do they just book them on other airlines through other cities that can get them to London, or does BA send a 747 to accomadate the extras?
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 1:26 am

I think that the passengers are booked with connecting flight, probably AA, to other airports that BA serve.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 2:35 am

What's the big deal???
You all talk about it, like it's life threatening!
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 2:46 am

Well it was Jas, as a fueler nearly got burned severly in it.
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 2:47 am


From ITN:
"The plane had landed normally and nearly everyone had disembarked when the fire started," said a BA spokeswoman.''

''The emergency services were swiftly on the scene and the fire was very quickly contained, with everyone getting off safely. But one of the ASIG staff was badly injured and was taken to a local hospital.''


 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 3:09 am

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 6:18 am

If you watch the video clip, you will notice that on the wing, right next to the engine pylons is where it was damaged. It looks pretty serious to me, I think this 777 will be in DEN for quite sometime to undergoe repairs. Not 100% sure, but maybe the wing will need to be replaced. We'll find out soon enough.

The fire happened right next to the engine, any word about the engine's condition?

Yesterdays flight back to London (LGW) was canceled of course, how did this incodent affect todays flight and the rest of the week?

Any word on the worker's condition? Last I heard he was in critical condition.

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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 6:22 am

With 90% 2nd and 3rd degree burns, i don't think he's gonna make it. He'll most likely get a serious infection in a few days, as happens with a lot of seriously burnt people.  Sad

re, the plane, BA will get it fixed. Whatever it costs, it'll be a LOT less than a brand new 777. BA have got enough planes for the loss of this plane not to have any affect on other timetables.
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 8:08 am

256 passengers on a Wednesday flight. Seems like London Denver route is a good one for BA!
 
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RE: BA 777 Catches Fire At DEN During Refueling

Fri Sep 07, 2001 8:18 am

Kevin,

Yeah, this flight needs the 744 back. Unfortunately, since BA moved all there 744s to LHR, they were forced to downgrade this flight to a 777. Nothing wrong with the 777, its a great aircraft. But this flight could definately use the 744.

Also, 256 passengers is GREAT considering that now is the low season of the year for this flight.
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