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Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:08 am

why would it go down in the middle of nowhere you ask, well...this could be a solution..

my view is quite obvious...the pilot knew about all the crap going on at the time, knew there were terrorists somehow, knew it was going to go somewhere important, probably whitehouse or chicago or LA, so he delibretly crashed it himself so it wouldn't do further damage to the nation.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:15 am

If that's what happend w/ that one...all the people on that plane...but especially that pilot are hero's in my book...i'm sure if the other pilots had a chance they would have done the same.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:19 am

It sounds like a good theory. The news says they can retrive the voice recorder form this which should give them some insight as to what happened and who was doing it.

A new report stated that a passenger used a cell phone to call and report that the terrorist were stabbing the passengers to death before the crash. It seems incredible that any human being could do such a thing, but then who thought any human being could do what occured today!
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:19 am

If pilot knew that the plane was being directed to a city centre, the transponder must have been set on 'hijack' mode. So far, there has been no report of such. Thus, I can only imagine that US Air Force jets shot it down before it reached any sizeable population areas. Just my 2c.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:21 am

the transponders where turned off
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:25 am

what if the pilot never had a chance to do anything w/ the transponder?...and if the hijacker(s) were going after the captain...the c.p. was probably trying to save his captain...so i think the transponder was the last thing on their minds
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:29 am

Personally, I don't think any sane pilot would deliberately crash an airplane.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:30 am

Reports are that, according to some cell phone calls from pax on the doomed flights, all crew, including pilots were herded to the back of the plane (ie, they were not at the controls).
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:32 am

I agree, that pilot might have been a hero
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:32 am

The news in PHL reported that this UA flight from EWR left EWR flew west over Lake ?? and tehn did a U turn back towards the east. An indication of ???
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:48 am

My theory:

The passengers and flight crew attempted to retake control of the aircraft. If that's the case, these people are true heros. They saved the lives of countless others in their efforts.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:52 am

I think if the pilots of the planes in New York were at the controls, the would of probably attempted to crash it in the river.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:52 am

"dont think any sane pilot would deliberately crash an airplane"--- I think given the choice of crashing into the ground or crashing into a place full of innocent people, any SANE pilot would chose the groundh
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:57 am

CNN showed the path of the aircraft. Their data was retrieved from flightexplorer.com.

They showed the aircraft flew toward CLE before looping back around. It went right over PIT before going down.

Johnstown/Somerset county isn't really in the middle of nowhere. However, it does have its share of farms. It's VERY close to State College, home of Penn State University.

If this aircraft flew over PIT, it could have hit the USX tower--home of US Steel, One Mellon Bank Center--home of one of the largest financial institutions in the US, One PNC Place--home of one of the largest financial institutions in the US. It's kind of scary.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:21 am

I lose so much faith in our educational system...nah, but really...

...unless the hijackers politely explained their plans, the captain did not know what was going on. All he/she would know was that fanatics were hijacking the plane. Based on the captain's knowledge of past hijackings, he/she would expect a diversion, a demand for money, or a demand for a release of prisoners. Only under the strangest of circumstances would the captain know the details of the WTC disaster.

The idea that a captain would try to crash into the river to save the WTC is also absurd. Yes, if the captain was given only those two choices, he/she would opt for the river. But, really, when faced with a hijacking, a captain's first concern is simply to get the ship down and the hostages freed; if a captain retains control of the flight, he/she will attempt a landing or a survivable crash. Details thus far released on the PA crash indicate the aircraft dove into the ground in one piece...indicative of an uncontrolled descent, not a heroic attempt to land in rural PA.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:36 am

While these things were happening today this theory popped up in my mind:

Maybe they hijacked more planes than they thought would be needed, just in case. Then after somehow learning that the other three planes had carried out the intended actions, they decide that their existence doesn't matter anymore and therefore take the plane down where they were at the moment.

On the other hand, if that was the case, one would think that they would rather have tried to crash into something while they were at it.
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 11:44 am

My theory is that before the pilots were incapacitated, and somehow disabled (fuel dump? can a 757 do one?) the aircraft.


 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:20 pm



Perhaps the terrorists fumbled with the controls, or there was a struggle in the cockpit that accidentally set some switches in the wrong positions. Since the terrorists weren't pro pilots, they might not have been able to recover the a/c after that with the pilots dead.

 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:45 pm

How do you know the pilots wern't "pro pilots". Reports of possible suspects show that they were professional pilots.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 7:58 pm

I don't think that the pilot deliberately crashed his ac near Pittsburgh. IMO he was trying to make an emergency landing. Maybe the terrorists forced him to crash into another official building and he refused by trying to land the plane. There could have also been a struggle over the controls. Numerous other things could have happened.
I think there will be some light on that matter when the blackbox and the CVR have been found and analysed.

In the meantime please let's stop speculating - it's so terrible.  Sad
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:03 pm

i think the pilot didnt follow the actions and downed the plane.

its not specualtion as such, just trying to work put why the plane came down in the middle of nowhere or was it shot down?
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:09 pm

Well my guess, and I can onnly guess, is that that plane was a backup incase one of the other 3 wouldn't make it. And just crash it if they didn't need to go to any of the other 3:s destination.
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:30 pm

It is a pilots obligation to save people on the aircraft, but if this is out of his/her control, then his/her obligation is to save people on the ground. I think that it is quite possible that the pilot downed the plane. Maybe we can get information from the Voice Recorders on the plane.
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 8:42 pm

According to the Flightexplorer, the flight was reprogrammed to go to DCA. This means that ATC, and thus the government knew about it. Knowing what happened to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, there are many strong rumors that UA 93 was shot down. It seems viable to me.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 9:25 pm

The flight recorders should have survived this crash. We should know soon what was going on.

There's no telling what actually happened.
Base on what I know, which isn't a great deal right now, I doubt that the plane was shot down as the wreckage would have been in a much larger area. But I guess anything's possible.
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:28 pm


I think the US Air Force shot the plane down on purpose.
That would just make sense. They rather have some 80-150 people die than a couple of thousands.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Wed Sep 12, 2001 10:51 pm

Educated guess:
The pilots kept the door closed.
They complied to changing direction to go towards IAD.
The hijackers started killing people to get the cockpit door open - unsuccessfully.
The hijackers then forces the door open
There is a fight
Crash.

One would assume that, given the time span here, that these pilots knew what was happening in NYC and that they would be doomed if they gave up the controls.
Just a theory ..

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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Thu Sep 13, 2001 12:24 am

I am a little concerned about the viability of the flight data recorder (s).

So far, from media reports (which I realize need to be taken with a grain of salt at this time) it seems that none of the crew activated the 7500 transponder code. This seems a little bit strange to me. Out of four hijacked flights, one captain/copilot might have neglected to do it, but all four??!!!!!!

If we consider the possibility that the hijackers (who appeared to have good technical knowledge of the a/c) wanted to delay the confirmation of hijacking to the authorities for the longest time possible, they might have taken out the transponders when they first entered the flight deck.

To delay investigators (delay finding the guilty party, delay repercussions) in determining what happened, could they not also have disabled the FDR/CVR. I recall that when that insane FedEx employee tried to fly that DC10/MD11 (don't remember exactly) into company HQ, he disconnected the FDR/CVR several times.

I apologize for speculating, but if they did as thorough a job as they did, those bastard hijackers probably covered some of their tracks. My $0.02 worth.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:55 am

According to reports on MSNBC this Am, (9/12), A phone call from a Pax to his wife indicated they were going to overpower the hijackers as they knew that they were going to die anyway. perhaps they figured out the whole scheme or one of the hijackers told them, we may never know. I did find the eyewitness reports of lack of fireball interesting..perhaps the Pilot was able to dump the fuel between CLE and the impact site.

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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:05 am

Not for nothing, but a little kid can bash through a locked cockpit door.
 
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:09 am

I dont think the AF shot it down. PIT was too far away from D.C. to say for sure that it was targeting any building.

My best guess is a struggle in the cockpit. Much like what happened to the Egyptair 777.
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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:32 am

Reports now say several pax on the plane attempted to overpower the hijackers. An eyewitness says the plane looked like it was coming in for a landing, then nose-dived into the ground. Sounds to me like there was a struggle in the cockpit at the very end.

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RE: Why Would A Plane Go Down In The Middle Of Nowhere

Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:43 am

As I posted on another thread, CBS NEWS is now reporting that the phone call from a passenger to his mother included a description of other passengers fighting with the terrorists in an attempt to take back control of the aircraft. The aircraft, CBS reported, was flying at 500 ft. at the time and nosed over into the ground. They are presuming that this loss of control of the aircraft occurred as a direct result of this struggle for control.

Now the following is JUST SPECULATION, but I believe that the aircraft must have been headed for Washington. Reasoning being this: two aircraft for New York, two for Washington, the two most powerful cities on the east coast. If so, who knows what the final target was. On one hand, someone might say that the target was still the Pentagon--one crash to take out one half of the structure, and another to take out the other half, with the fire fueled by avgas taking care of the rest. This would make sense, given that the two planes in NYC crashed into a single complex.

On the other hand, the target could have been anything in Washington from the White House to the Capitol to the Monument. We simply do not know, and unless something incriminating was caught on the CVR, we probably never will.

Again, this is JUST SPECULATION. Please do not take it as fact or start rumors. Thank you.