Demoose
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"Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:07 am

Understandably, security will be greatly increased throughout the US Aviation industry in the wake of this tragedy.
My question is, would people, particularly those in the US, want to see the level of security that exists in European Airports present in all US airports? For example, only ticketed passengers allowed airside, increased body and baggage searches etc.
These procedures have been standard here in the UK for years and I was shocked to learn of the apparently low level of secuity that exists in the US, especially on domestic flights. So, will you accept the changes with open arms, or feel slightly unhappy, seeing aviation become increasingly "closed" to the general public. I've read messages from people on this forum saying that they are considering giving up aviation as a hobby because of this event, please don't. Living here in the UK, aviation is still a great great hobby and I greatly welcome any increase in airport security worldwide, but what about you?

DEM
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:15 am

It's long overdue. This has been an incident waiting to happen for years and the UK DELR has expressed grave reservations to the US authorities about a number of airports' lack of security - but nothing has been done about it until now.

"Horse" "door" "bolted" and "lock" are some of the words that spring to mind here...
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:05 am

Demoose is nearly correct. The freedom to fly in Europe is still there. Its just the little extras that put a few minutes onto your day. other than that its no different. except in the minds of the pax who can see things being done.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:29 am

As i will be using SFO BWI MCO PHL YUL and DTW later thsi month, i welcome it with open arms. I ould expect it anyway, its the norm here and should be the norm there. whats an extra 30 mins or so to get everyone frisked?
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:38 am

Demoose - i was the same, and the fact you don't need a passport for domestic flights (i know you are not leaving the country, so theoretically they are not needed) makes it so much easier to do this sort of thing. The low level of security, is quite shocking when you consider that domestic flights can be flown using 747's, and that these pose just as much threat as an aircraft flying an international route.

Things will change..

Dan
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:42 am

I agree with Ceilidh....IMO it's about time security was beefed up. I welcome it with wide open arms.

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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:53 am

Security in the U.S. has been so laxed simply because Americans have not had to undergo as many major threats, wars, dramatic incidents as in Europe. Remember, Europe sits right next to many suspected terrorist nations, the U.S. is cushioned by two big-ass oceans.

Therefore, Americans have felt for a long time that there was nothing to worry about. And this is precisely what these terrorists used to their full advantage.
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:58 am

Although this will all be a very hard change which will be very foreign to us, it is for the best. Do we really want to have another disaster, or even reading about another hi-jacking in the news? I don't think so. It's about time we get our act straight, fun's over...

-Tom
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:23 pm

Yes, fun certainly seems to be over.
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:36 pm

But what good will not allowing people beyond the security checkpoint do?

All the Hijackers were ticketed passengers. I have never heard of anyone getting on a plane without a ticket. What harm can non-passengers do at the gate?

However, i do agree that in my mind 3 things should change, some of which all ready will be changed:

1. No cash ticket sales. period. Not to anyone.
2. No knives/razors of any kind onboard
3. Armed Marshalls, or Guards, or Cops, call them what you will - aboard every jet.

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Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:27 pm

the best way to stop (or at least make much more difficult) terrorist attacks against airliners is to throughly screen all passengers.
allowing only passengers past the security check is a major step in the right direction as it reduces the load on the people manning the checkpoint.
The next step is to really screen ALL passengers. From what I witnessed at US airports in the past, between 10 and 50% of passengers and items are never screened at all, and most of the rest only cursory.
Were this the standards at LHR, there would be a BA aircraft hijacked every day.

It is high time the US woke up and did something. Civil liberties and freedom to carry weapons are nice and good, but those rights should not be pushed to the point where it puts lives at risk other than your own.
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:06 pm

IMHO security checks themselves should be changed.
Remove those metal detectors, trash all the X-Ray machines (for carry-on luggage), and do the security check e.g. like we learned it in the air force. Check the pax manually (TOUCH them), and LOOK into the bags, if the bag it to full, there is a BIG guy with grim face: "unpack". It is VERY easy to smuggle a small gun aboard a plane if you put if in between two plates of iron.

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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:29 pm

Jwenting, I'm very surprised to hearing that. The hand luggages don't go always through an X-Ray tunnel ?
In CDG (f.e.) we have to wait 20-45 mins to enter the boarding room just because of EVERY luggage being screened.
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:38 pm

No more cash purchases!? What? Are you mad? Do you think everyone has a credit card? My grandmother refuses to get one, she always buys everything cash, and she enjoys going to Florida for vacations. So, under your system, should she never be allowed to fly again? Madness!


Can the x-ray machines?!? Hand search, touch every passenger? Are you insane? Imagine the long lines, it would hardly be worth it as an x-ray machine can see INSIDE of things, the human eye cannot. No matter how much you handsearch, you would have to make passengers open EVERYTHING in their bags, perfumes, CD jewel boxes, laptops, any little box, everything, just so they can see what's in it.

My God, let's not let this event cause us to lose all sanity. Carefully think about what you're saying, and it's relevance before clicking the post button.
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:01 pm

Yes!

And while you're at it, get rid of those rent-a-cops! Put marines there instead. Passengers only in the secured areas.

Charles
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:07 pm

And how many of you are prepared to pay at least $100 per sector more to fly, to cover the costs of security as well as recover some of the lost revenue that the airlines will face as a result of Tuesday?

Theres' no doubt about it - those ultra-low fares have gone ... and will never return.
 
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:33 pm

Pax only means less people need to be searched, so more time can be spent on each passenger. Thus the waiting lines might not get that much longer.

Konstantin
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RE: "Europe" Style Security At US Airports: Your Views

Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:18 pm

I beleive (my own opinion) that the rent-a-cops who run the X-ray machines (or stare at them) should be done away with. At EVERY airport anywhere. The issue here is that if one airport anywhere in the US (even the world conceivably) has a lax security, it compromises the integrity of the system. How.. well, i can board an airplane in a small airporrt, and wen i hit a major international, i don'rt go through screening again. I would love to see real police, perhaps a new extension of the Air Marshalls, be responisble for the guarding of ALL airports. Yes, it will be a costly expansion, but you must pay these guys in order to get he best, and i would willing pay a takced on "Security Tax" or something.

One thing that we as Americans don;t seem to like, is the idea of people with Automatic weapons patrolling out public areas, we don't want to see it. Its something that people will need to get used to. Having been through some European airports, i have never felt more secure...

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