heavymetal
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Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 12:13 am

I know that airlines in the past have discarded flight numbers after that flight was lost.

I hope that those at United recognize that our fight against terrorism actually began in the tail of Flight 93.

We've heard that there were cell phone calls from men to their wives and moms and that more than one had mentioned how they had voted aboard the plane to do something. Now even the FBI confirms that one of those men actually had the GTE Airfone operator patch him through to the FBI and briefed them on what was happening.

The last thing heard from any of them was "Let's Roll..."

Flight 93, which could have ended crashing into the US Capital or the White House....or at the very least shot down over the heavily populated suburbs north of DC....ended in a quiet beautiful field in central Pennsylvania, where one day I'm sure a tribute to American courage will rise.

I hope United makes their own small tribute...KEEP the number 93 on that flight route. Let the next generations of passengers speak with reverence about how the 93 and her passengers began the fight.
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 12:22 am

I agree with you totally, they should keep flight numbers of heroic flights like that.

By the way, about four years ago while in the international terminal at ORD, I saw "United 232" on the arrivals board...
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:15 am

As a passenger who declined a seat on the ill-fated flight 93 last Tuesday, I would rather United retired that flight number in memory of those killed rather than to have a daily flying reminder to the travelling public (including myself) of the events that transpired on that fateful day.
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:43 am


B74-337M I would rather United retired that flight number

Yes I think that's sure what's going to happen, whether United does it in memory of the victims, or simply to avoid unpleasant memories altogether. And, as per KonaB777's remarks about seeing 232 on the board again, I imagine they'll use the number again, several years down the road. For instance if TWA would stick around for another several years I wouldn't've be surprised if they used 800 again at some point.

Heavymetal -- our fight against terrorism actually began in the tail of Flight 93.

Y'sound like a fairly decent --if spirited  Big grin -- guy to me Heavy, but..c'mon this statement is really nonsense. Okay, yes sounds catchy and all just like Dub's "first war of the new Millennium" but, y'know. No shortage of motivation around at a time like this. Really.


I wouldn't mind a bit if UA reinstated the flight number, and especially if it were for the reason you cite. I don't think they will, simply because right now public sentiment for a tribute is probably working in the exact opposite direction but okay, as a means of showing true grit in memoriam I don't think it's a bad idea at all, either.

 
heavymetal
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:35 am

With respect Mark, I happen to feel what might have been rhetorical "nonsense" on Monday was given a bit more teeth on Tuesday. I know a good portion of the free world has bought into the idea that "Dubya" is a mental midget from a state flush with gunslingers and that style is more important than substance to him...there are still issues on which I would not argue heatedly over that charecterization. Yet I caution you not to join the chorus of those who pitch a sarcastic "Oh, come on!" at our outbursts of anger, pride and passion over the past week. America has suffered a callous injury... and if our response to that has not been "politically correct"(a term I thought I'd NEVER use)enough for the rationalists, so be it. That's a "Y-P" not an "M-P".

I like to think I'm decent. I don't think "spirited" conflicts with that at all.

And with nothing but compassion for 747-337M, who cannot have enjoyed the mental images that have floated into the mind, I respectfully stand by my original post. What happened on that Boeing 757 was the empowerment of goodness , even at a supreme cost.
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 5:04 am

Heavymetal-- I happen to feel what might have been rhetorical "nonsense" on Monday was given a bit more teeth on Tuesday

I'd say a whole abominable mass-grave-for-thousands' worth more teeth, no question. Anyway all I wanted to say was that terrorism's been a constant fight, for Americans --if maybe not so publicly-- and well before the 11th. But I've no wish to belabour the point beyond that, and definitely no wish to join any chorus, particularly of the often gratuituosly anti-American variety. What happened a week ago yesterday was beyond the pale, and something's got to be done about it.


No conflict seen between decent and spirited over here either, heck part of what freedom's all about, isn't it. Just as are mere lighthearted commentary, I hope you'll agree, and the full right to ignore it as well or just laugh along, of course.


In any case, returning to flight 93, I think by all means commemorate the passengers' brave final decision and struggle in whatever ways the family members and citizens, locally and nationally, see fit.

 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 5:08 am

>>if TWA would stick around for another several years I wouldn't've be surprised if they used 800 again at some point.<<

I don't think that they would ever use TW800 again, as it is not just very simple to remember, but it has actually crashed once before, as either a 707 or L-1049(can't remember which.).
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:11 am

Mark...

Thanks for clarify, well said. I'm trying to get a little air back in to 'lighten' up my own heart. Smile/happy/getting dizzy Slow process.

Courage..
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:16 am

I completly agree. Let's keep it as respect.
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:21 am

TW800 crashed previously with a 707-331 at Rome, Italy in the mid 60's. The plane hit a steamroller.
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:30 am

i think there should be an airplane dedicated to the memory of these brave men.....may they rest in peace
 
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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:16 am

Well, unfortunately, you're not getting your wish.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010924/n24168283_1.html

Airlines drop flight numbers of crashed US planes

DALLAS, Sept 24 (Reuters) - American Airlines and United Airlines have retired the number designations that were used by the flights hijacked in the Sept. 11 attacks, the carriers said on Monday.

``It´s an American Airlines policy in line with industry practice to retire flight numbers of flights that crash with fatalities,´´ American spokesman John Hotard said. American, the world´s largest airline, is a unit of Fort Worth, Texas-based AMR Corp (NYSE:AMR - news).

A spokeswoman for UAL Corp's (NYSE:UAL - news) United confirmed the Chicago-based carrier had also removed the affected flight numbers from its schedule as soon as flying resumed after a two-day security closure of U.S. airspace.

American Airlines Flight 11 and United Flight 175, which both departed from Boston's Logan airport, were hijacked and flown into New York's World Trade Center. American Flight 77 out of Washington's Dulles airport was used to slam into the Pentagon. A fourth plane, United Flight 93, left from Newark and crashed in Pennsylvania. The planes were loaded with fuel for cross country trips to the West Coast.

Nearly 7,000 people are missing or dead in the attacks.

What's interesting, though, is that contrary to the above info, AA has at least one flight number which was not retired after a fatal crash. AA Flight 1 from IDL (Now JFK) to LAX crashed on March 1, 1962 killing all 95 aboard. That flight still operates on the same route today.

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi_bin/view_details.cgi?date=03011962&airline=American+Airlines

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RE: Message To UA: Keep Gallant Flight Number

Tue Sep 25, 2001 4:28 am

United flight 93 is now known at United flight 81...
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