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USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:54 am


Question - how many gates does USAir have at BWI? Don't they have all of Concourse D? Why don't they get rid of the gates they don't need, instead of hogging them all so the other airlines can't use them? Seems like it would be better to get rid of the gates and keep a few more employees. Same thing goes for AA's gates at RDU.


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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:58 am

I wonder how long it will be until US files for chapter 11? Killing Metrojet is a very drastic move, one that could only be interpreted as desperate.

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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:15 am

This move has been long anticipated. US Airways just couldn't get Metrojet to work. Will these reductions be enough to save US Airways? I suspect not--they may very well end up becoming an acquisition for one of the post-recession survivors. I imagine that Southwest will try to expand its BWI operations in the aftermath of Metrojet's disappearance.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:42 am

From Travel Weekly:

MetroJet apparently will soon become history. The US Airways pilots union said its been told the airline's lower cost, low-fare subsidiary will stop flying in December, and showed information it received from the company that says all of Metrojet's 737 aircraft will be retired by that month. US Airways had no comment. The airline created MetroJet as a competitor to Southwest and other low-fare carriers eating into the airline's East Coast strength.

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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:49 am

Its obvious US Airways is in a terrible shape and this showa that they are desperate. It will be sad to see Metrojet disspear. Hopefully not but the day wont be far when US Airways declares itself bankrupt.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:58 am

Im gonna miss that beautiful livery!

RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:14 am

In ALB MetroJet has only one daily 737-200 flight to MCO vs. Southwest who has 3 using their new 737NG aircraft. I don't think they will be missed here that much.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:27 am

Wasn't a fan anyways, but they will be missed. Goodbye to the flying tomato!
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:46 am

From what I can recall, BWI concoarse "D" is all Usairways gates except for one gate near the security check in area, where that belongs to TWA (American).
I, for one liked concoarse "D" in BWI because there were fewer people in the concoarse especially toward the commuter terminal it was essentially dead. So it was good I thought in terms of that you had a little leg room, you could sit back, relax and wait your flight and not indure congestion and lots of people much like Atlanta and such. However it terms of how feasable it is for Usair to have so many gates that are not used, from what I could see, you might say that Usair might need to scale back and offer some gates to other carriers. All in all, I really liked BWI, it is a user friendly and less busy airport.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 11:07 am

Delta Express is next. The big, full service carriers just can't make a low fare, airline within an airline, work. It
seems like a doomed effort. Continental Lite failed as
a result of an unclear business plan. Metrojet never
quite caught on either, because it was virtually
undistinguishable from the main US Airways product.

United has made the formula work out west, where
there are few alternatives to air travel and the
competition is mainly between UA and WN. HP does
have a sizeable presence, but the region is not as
competitive as the East, where DL, CO, US, and
even AA and UA do battle for market share.

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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:20 pm

All America Airlines couldn't get that name to work so they changed their name to Allegheny. When Allegheny didn't work to well, they changed to USAir. After a few crashes and other problems, they changed to US Airways. Now they can't get Metrojet to work. They ruined Piedmont and PSA, so what is the big surprise. The truth is that company can't get much of anything to work, and based on this economy, Chapter 11 is just around the corner.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:44 pm

Plans to eliminate the MetroJet fleet and at least two other classes of airplane were revealed in the airline's latest pilot bid schedule. The MetroJet cuts will occur in December, the pilots said.


What are the other two "classes" of airplane?
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 1:19 pm

Milesrich; I agree. When the dust clears and all is said and done. I wonder who'll come out on top and who will be bought out or go under. I guess we'll find out within a year or two from now. But SWA is still top dog even in these hard times it wasn't a top CEO with a Harvard Business degree that is laughing all the way to the bank but rather a chain smoking, wisecracking biker from New Jersey named Herb Kelleher  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I hope there are many more like him.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:00 pm

The other two types to be retired are the F-100 and the MD-80 in April.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:17 am


Allegheny didn't work out? What's up with that. The name changes occurred because of mergers. The name Allegheny didn't mean anything to anyone living outside of PA and the northeast. Allegheny was flying to Memphis, Nashville, Chicago, etc.

Chapter 11 will happen because of the great white wolf, and his fix, paint and sell program. He hasn't managed USAirways for the long term. NO plan "B" for the failed merger with United, labor contracts and rules that were just stupid.

Allegheny, Mohawk, Lake Central, Empire, PSA, Piedmont, and USAir were great airlines. Wolfe continues to be the problem.

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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 6:24 am

Metrojet and CAL Lite had no clear business plan. Metrojet had no target market, and never had market dominance in a ny of the cities that it served.

CAL Lite flew to places that nobody wanted to go to. GSO-GSP? You couldn't fill a J-31 3x a day, much less a 737.

DL Express will be around for quite some time. They have market dominance in MCO, as well as north/south traffic between BOS, EWR, ans some smaller cities that it serves. It makes money for DL.

What other a/c is US considering shedding? The MD-80's that it inherited from PSA. There is also talk of the F-100 fleet going out.

Dire straits for the entire industry. US will be propped up by the US Government via loan guarantees and tax relief. Airbus will probably kick in some funds. The possibility of almost 100 a/c coming back to Airbus, as well as the future of an order for up to 400 a/c is too great a stake to lose.

It is imperitive that US make it through the next 6 months.

Future bookings for all of the major carriers seem to be running at a normal pace. Fuel prices have stabilized in the past week, and jet fuel will likely continue to tumble with many carriers announcing schedule cuts and taking the oportunity to shed the older fuel hogs in their respective fleets.

RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 9:14 am

I wonder since AA is quickly retiring the TWA DC-9 fleet they might want to take those US Airways Fokker F100s to add to their own fleet.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:59 am

From a couple of sources at Delta, I hear that the Express operation will suffer severely after this attack. Low-fare carriers need bulk to survive, and DLX is not getting it. If they can survive until the November NJ Teacher In-Service, then they have a shot, because it is almost a guarantee that every flight over that 4-day weekend from EWR to Florida will be jam-packed.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:02 pm


I seriously doubt that. AA is currently downsizing its fleet also. I don't think any airlines now would consider taking new birds other then what they've already ordered (and I'm sure those on order will be deferred for awhile).
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 12:37 pm

For some reason i smell a merger maybe ua-us redone the aa-twa way

RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:16 pm

I was on Metrojet once from BOS to PBI, nothing special. I don't think I'm alone in feeling that way.

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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:38 pm

The vultures have been circling over Crystal City ever since the U.S. Airways-United merger was abandoned. Killing Metrojet definitely falls into U.S. Airways' reorganization plan. They were already planning on streamlining their fleet, so doing away with the Metrojet 737-200s falls right in line with streamlining the airline. They knew that they really couldn't compete with the other low-fare carriers in the East, and that they couldn't get a single offer for Metrojet if they put it on the market, killing it was the only option for U.S. Airways. I think the plug would have been pulled even if the events of Sept. 11 had not occurred. Will they be saved by way of a merger? Highly unlikely given the state of the other airlines and any potential airline suitors. They will probably retire the MD-80s and F-100s first, and then start retiring the few 737-200s that are not in Metrojet service. If the industry was not in the state it now is in, the soon-to-be-ex-Metrojet aircraft could have been leased out no problem at all; so U.S. Airways will have to take a charge on retiring those aircraft. The government bailout money will help them (I am unsure about how much their share will be, I know Delta's will be in the neighborhood of $565 million) for who knows how long, but the longer DCA remains shutdown, the sooner U.S. Airways will be heading for bankruptcy and possible extinction.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:04 pm

I'm not surprised that US is canning Metrojet.

Between the downturn in patronage and the fact Metrojet cannot compete with WN's more flexible scheduling and lower seat-mile costs, I'm surprised US didn't can the subsidiary at least six months ago.
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RE: USAir Kills Metrojet

Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:54 pm

I know this is a little off track, but, yes, almost all of concorse D is USAirways. Most gates are usually empty. They could probably get by on little more than half the gates they have. It doesnt make sense to have all those unused gates at a time. Especially now with MetroJet gone. Overall though, it is nice not having the concorse packed. While waiting for your flight there are awesome views of the runways and even some other concorses. Great unobstructed photo oppertunities with no planes at most gates.


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