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Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Mon Sep 24, 2001 5:53 pm

Qantas in fleet talks with Boeing, Airbus

SYDNEY, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Qantas Airways Ltd said on Monday it was in talks with Boeing Co and Airbus about the acquisition of aircraft following the collapse of the country's second airline, Ansett Australia, earlier this month.



The flag carrier was still examining how many aircraft -- either through purchase or long term lease -- it would need to cope with the extra demand, and details on the cost were not yet available, a company spokeswoman said.

However, the carrier said it expected a decision on the long- term fleet issues in the coming weeks.

Qantas shares closed five cents higher at A$2.89in a weaker overall market.

"Qantas is continuing to review its flight schedule on a daily basis to try and get as much capacity into the market as quickly as possible, in addition to planning longer term capacity increases," Qantas chief executive officer Geoff Dixon said.

Qantas said it had added around 270 domestic flights and increased the size of aircraft used on a further 90 flights since Ansett's services were suspended last week.

Ansett's parent Air New Zealand appointed voluntary administrators to the carrier on September 12 after failing to reach a recapitalisation deal that included its Australian unit. Flights were grounded two days later.

Qantas agreed to provide extra aircraft to cater for the stretched domestic aviation market.

Dixon said the company was aware of concern about a Qantas monopoly in light of Ansett's collapse.

"We have said repeatedly that we will return 747 aircraft to our international operations once Virgin Blue grows and other carriers establish their schedules," Dixon said.

"In the meantime, it is in everybody's best interest that we quickly provide -- and we will provide -- the capacity that is needed for both business and leisure travellers."

Qantas has redeployed two 747-400s from its international services for routes from Sydney to Perth and Cairns.

Dixon said Qantas had also increased its domestic freight capacity by up to 70 percent since Ansett's flights were suspended.

"We are also negotiating the leasing of additional freighter aircraft from the Ansett administrator with which we hope to double daily 727 freighter services to and from the west coast," he said.

Virgin Blue said on Friday it had three planes on order from Boeing, and would try to lease more from overseas to bolster its nine plane fleet.

The purchase and lease of the aircraft announced Monday was separate to the US$4.6 billion fleet upgrade announced last year, the Qantas spokeswoman said.


 
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 12:14 am

hmmm...me thinks more A332s which would even further help AI's case with getting their A320 family in QF colours

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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 12:17 am

My guess is to watch carefully for cancelled orders, particularly by U.S. airlines, of Boeing 767-300s or Airbus A330s. First available will be the one to sell!
 
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:21 pm

Apparently, 12 or so A321's are ready for delivery almost immediately if QF wants them. The source is a guy on Flyertalk but it seems reasonable given the downturn in traffic.

This could mean those B737-400's and B737-300's could leave the QF fleet sooner than expected.  Smile

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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:28 pm

Cool, Thanks for the info Coachman,

Glad AN workers get first look at any new positions at QF
 
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:42 pm

Coachman,

my info is that 738s will be headed QF's way. It would be fascinating to know the details of the white-tails at the moment in Seattle/Toulouse and Hamburg. I think QF were ready to order Airbus narrowbodies,but I think recent events may have turned this on it's head.
Granted, I caould see the 321 proving to be a big success at QF.

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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 10:27 pm

I would love to see the A321 in Australian skies. The only questionis: is it capable to fly SYD-PER, SYD-AKL, SYD-DRW etc??? I think it would have to to allow full integration into the QF fleet. I personally have long thought that 757s would fit well into the QF route structure - the 753 in particular is supposed to have excellent operating statistics. The 738 is also a good option - and it can certainly do SYD-PER etc.

That said, a fleet of A319/320/321 would go well with the soon to be delivered (maybe even sooner now) A330s and later the A380s.

Another Boeing stalwart threatening to go Airbus. Jeez, they must be sweating in Seattle or Chicago or wherever Boeing is these days.
 
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:32 pm

I sure hope that they order more Boeing aircraft!!!!
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:55 pm

The info I got was extremely 3rd hand, so I may be wrong. Either way, I think either the A321 or the 738 will be a good choice. While the A321 has the capacity, the 738 has the range. The A321 can easily do SYD-AKL. SYD-DRW and SYD-PER...it would have to depend on which version these A321's are (ie what the MTOW is). However, I expect QF to fly 763's from SYD and MEL to PER because of the lost AN capacity, even 744's, given the fact that they're being pulled off the US routes. The 738 gives better commonality with the current fleet, however, but in the long run, perhaps it may be better for QF to get the 321? We shall have to wait and see.

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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2001 1:43 am

I flew in a couple of A321s a few days ago and although I flew in one ages ago (Swissair), these recent flights with British Midland were seriously impressive. I was expecting quite anaemic performance (cos of comments here, mostly) but even though both flights were full, we went upstairs like a raped ape. Stunning power, much more impressive than the 737-300s and -400s I was flying in the week before (Malev London-Budapest-Beirut-Budapest-London). Felt like a 757.

And btw, I see the events in NY weakening Boeing's political clout overseas, most of the pressure on foreign airlines to buy Boeing was US Gov't inspired ("your national airline has to buy the 737NG or we'll put extra duties and levies on your agriculture" etc). Now the US is trying to get everyone to go along with their "war on terrorism" (remember the weird "war on drugs"?). The response by foreign gov'ts to US sales pressure will be, "isn't our support for your war on terrorism enough?!" This is probably a good thing if it happens, it'll even out the playing field a bit.
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2001 2:06 am

For coachman: Did you say that the 744 will be pulled of the US routes, why?

Regards, sas a340.
 
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2001 8:06 am

Due to international circumstances QF has cancelled one SYD-LAX flight/day and cut LAX-JFK to 3 times/week. The displaced 744s are servicing SYD-PER, SYD-CNS and MEL-PER.
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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Wed Sep 26, 2001 9:51 am

Sas a340,

Tullamarine has said it perfectly. For exact numbers QF 7/8 SYD-LAX and rtn. have been pulled.

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RE: Qantas Fleet Talks Boeing, Airbus

Mon Oct 01, 2001 8:15 pm

Any updates?
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