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Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:26 pm

Rumour on airlinersonline.com. Alitalia might ground all 747-200s immiadetely and (thus become a minor international carrier) operating only MD-11 and B763.
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Mon Sep 24, 2001 10:36 pm

B777 will be delivery very soon and could be a great replacement for the old B747/200B

 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Mon Sep 24, 2001 11:46 pm

If Alitalia is getting 777s to replace 747-200s, those 777's are probably going to be 777-300s right?
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 12:14 am

At the moment B777/200ER could be a good replacement for B747/200B cause AZ wants to reduce capacity.AZ has an order for 6 B772 and an option for 6 B777/300ER.
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 12:30 am

After the mess happened in America I doubt to see the -300ER in short time, but maybe AZ could get some more -200ER since they have also a rolling option for 6 more unspecified 777 other that 6 300ER. Very sad can't see the jumbo in AZ colors anymore :-(

To Airblue:
When will be delivered the 777? I've heard in April/May 2002, isn't to late if the 742 are to be retired so soon?

Rgds

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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 1:07 am

Yes, it's too bad they're retiring. I flew on an Alitalia B747-200 from Singapore to Rome (and back) in the summer of 1988 (I was 13yrs old).

But glad to hear they're getting 777s. One of my new favorite planes.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 1:22 am

While this seems like it could happen, how can they fly their intercontinental routes?

JFK sees 2 742's a day,
Toronto gets 1 742
NRT is still a 742 from what I heard.

How is it possible for them to retire their 742's and maintain their routes w/o cancelling some routes?

I will cry the day I no longer see the jumbo in the colors of Alitalia.

g
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 2:25 am

KIX, NRT, YYZ and JFK are the remaining destinations that are flown by the AZ workhorse, the 747-200B. They are very old. It's sad to see them go. I flew them back in 1988 LAX-MXP-LAX and 1992 LAX-MXP. The return flight was the first day they introduced the MD11 to LAX, mid July 1992. It was amazing! I thought it was a DC10 when i saw it. I was just 8. Good old days. Getting back to the 747s, AZ will wait a while unless they wanna cut service to some minor destination due to the lack of "heavy" equipment.

Michael SFO
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:29 am

How old are the AZ 742???
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:45 am

AZ's 742's were delivered b/w 1980-1985.

I-DEMY was delivered to LH in 1978/9 and to AZ in 1990.
I-DEML, DEMN, DEMF, DEMP were delivered 1981
I-DEMS, DEMG were delivered 1983 from what i recall
I-DEMV was delivered 1985.

Hope that helps. I think I may be missing a few planes.

Anyway, being an AZ fanatic, I'm sad to see the mighty 747 leave the fleet.

Viva il 747!

g
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 5:40 am

What about their MD-80? Don't they have any plans for getting rid of them, or at least some of them???
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 5:59 am

I saw one of the AZ 742s yesterday at JFK...that was my first impression of the thing as we taxiied by it, how old and sooty it looked, especially around the tail. Had a very threadbare feel to it.
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:20 am

Na,

Operating MD11's and 763's does not make AZ a minor international carrier. Most major US airlines don't fly
747's and yet, none of those would be classified as
minor carriers (think AA, DL, CO, US). Alitalia's 747's
were not that old or at least not as old as the -200
in the fleets of AF, BA, LH, and other carriers but it
seems like a smart move since they burn more fuel
than the MD11 and 763's and were slated to be
replaced with the 777's soon anyway.

AZ is a basket case of an airline with mediocre to
generally lousy service, lots of attitude, and not
much in the way of substance. They do have an
oustanding safety record though. I think AZ will
gain a lot of efficiencies and customers through
the SKYTEAM link. Hopefully, AZ will turn itself
around.

ContinentalEWR
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:48 am

I thought 777s are on order anyway, having been changed from 747-400s.
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:48 am

ContinentalEWR,

While I agree with you about fleets and the airlines attributes, I personally think AZ can be a wonderful airline.

From what I've heard, 742's are going to be retired with the exception of I-DEMV, I-DEMS , I-DEMG, and I-DEMP (the newer aircraft) and they will continue use of 742's on the MXP/FCO-JFK routes and the route to NRT.

 Sad

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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 5:23 pm

To DaV:

It was told that B777/200ER should arrive at April 2002, but also I read on a mag. that it will arrive in the summer.

I also like to know how could they fly the MXP/FCO-JFK routes without the B747 capacity. It doesn't seem logical to put out a B747 and that maybe to fly 2 daily B763 on the same route.
One B763 has less operative cost than a B747, but to offer the same capacity on routes like FCO/MXP-JFK you have to fly 2 daily B763 in spite of one daily B747, so you lose the benefit.

MXP-NRT is 5 weekly so if you fly daily with a B772 you don't lose so much weekly seats.

MXP-KIX is 3 weekly also with B742, so if you fly a B772 you can add more weekly frequency without losing any seats.

FCO-YYZ is B742 only in the summer.
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:02 pm

I'll go a little off topic, if you don't mind. Does anybody know what configuration AZ will use in the Y class in their new 772's?

LY744.
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:40 pm

Na, AZ flies MD8X, MD 11, 32X, 76X, ATR X2.
I think that AZ wants to sell her 742 because they're very old and I think they should be scrapped.

AZ says she'll sell them, but who would buy some early 80s 742?

I sincerely don't know.

I sincerely think that after some month the number of passengers will return very high and I don't think fleet reduction is a good idea.
 
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RE: Alitalia To Retire All 747-200 Very Soon

Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:55 pm

F.pier,
a 20 year old aircraft should be scrapped? That only makes sense if the type is completely outdated, like the B707 was in the early 80s, when half of the 707-fleet was retired within 5 years.
The 742-200 is getting old, no question. But they are designed to fly about 25-35 years, so we should expect to see the AZ-aircraft again somewhere flying with a charter-airline or so when the economy recovers.
Of course most of the older 747s retired during these grey days will be parked for some time because there is no use for them currently.
I just wonder what AZ will do when passengers come again in bigger numbers?

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