legolars
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Price Of MD80 (used)

Tue Sep 25, 2001 8:58 pm

what is the price of a used dc9/md80, eg 10 years old? thanks in advance!

 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:02 pm

A very old run out DC9 can be acquired for as little as $50,000 without engines and a few hundred thousand with engines. The price of MD80s is dropping like a stone as well - a couple of million will get a decent one.
 
legolars
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:39 pm

I've heard that an MD80 could be aquired fully functional with engines for around $ 1.mio, is this true?
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Tue Sep 25, 2001 9:56 pm

Hey Ceilidh,

now that we're on the subject of used a/c prices, do you know what the price of an early 744 would be and a 743 (e.g. ex-KLM 747-206B SUD). I would imagine the prices are coming down like an avalanche with the current situation. Thanks  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Tue Sep 25, 2001 10:06 pm

I think it would need a D check at that price, which would come in at another million or so.
 
acvitale
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:17 pm

As I have recently been purchasing MD80s for an un-named source let me comment....


A good MD82 with current c check and JT8-217C engines in good mechanical condition would run around $6.5 M

A good MD82 with current c check and JT8-217A engines in good mechanical condition would run around $ 5.8 M

A good MD83 with current c check and JT8-219 engines and 5 fuel tank config runs about 12.8 M

A good MD83 with current c check and JT8-217C engines and a 3 tank config run about 10.7 M

An older run out MD81 with current c check and JT8-217 engines can run around 4.8M

An older run out MD82 with current c check and JT8-217A engines can run around 6.0M

I would not touch anything without a current C check as I have seen MD80s run over 4-5 M to get a good clean C check. Example: Some of the NW aircraft in the desert for a few years are estimated to cost around 5-6M each to get current C and D checks. The aircraft even at 4M would cost far more then a newer well maintained MD80 would to get airworthy.

There are so many variants with MD80s and engines and tanks and configs that one would need more information to get you a clear picture on valuations.

Another thought.... If you are looking for MD80s the MD90 may be a wiser choice... Since Jan 2001 Boeing has implimented a number of "fixes" that drastically improve reliability. With the IAE V2500 series engines they offer lower seat per mile cost then the 737NGs or the A320s, include IFE, glass cockpit, and other "enhancements" have the preferred 2-3 seating config, the low to ground for easy ground service (no belt loader needed for baggage and other pluses) and low maint. options with several power by the hour schemes avail to limit costs of operation. For the right carriers they can be acquired for around $200-250K per month. Far lower then 737NGs and A320s and in the same price range as good MD80s (Of course older MD80s are avail on lease for good credit risks for as low as 160K per month. But the cost of operations will quickly eat the difference) additionally, the MD90 is a larger aircraft with more seating and cargo capacity. The quietest noise footprint of a narrowbody (even beating the A320 and 737NG family) and offers better range then the MD80.

More details are available upon request on the 737CL 737NG A320 and MD80 MD90 and 717 if needed. I happen to have been doing a LOT of work with moving these in the last 5-6 months and have tech specs out the wazoo!!

Al
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Tue Sep 25, 2001 11:29 pm

I've seen 767s down at around the $15m level; and some older B747-200s at a couple of million (again, these are aircraft which are due C checks). 747-400s are going for well under $50m (less than 1/3 of list price of a new one) and a -300 you could probably pick up for between $10 and $20m if you wait a bit.

I'm very surprised that the C Checks on an MD80 series are costing anywhere near $4 - 5m as you say, AC Vitale - when the Austrian Airlines aircraft were delivered to Safair, the checks costs just over $1m each for a D and a fair amount of work was required! With those sorts of figures, I'd assume that both engines are in need of a full overhaul.

I also think that your prices for the MD83s are way on the high side, bearing in mind the market overhang and current conditions.

Plus, what do you mean "roun out ... with current C check"? The definition of 'run out' is that it's due heavy maintenance - and therefore would be without a C check!

Of course, the MD80s are marginally in compliance with Stage III and would not be acceptable without hushkits etc for Stage IV; which is also affecting their values.
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:01 am

Thank you very much Ceilidh  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:16 am

Is there a Company that has a web site that sells Used Airliners? if there is please tell me

Greg
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:30 am

> I've seen 767s down at around the $15m level; and
> some older B747-200s at a couple of million (again,
> these are aircraft which are due C checks). 747-
> 400s are going for well under $50m (less than 1/3 of
> list price of a new one) and a -300 you could
> probably pick up for between $10 and $20m if you
> wait a bit.

I have seen B767-200s for 13-20M with JT9's Some 747-200s have been as low 4-5M but not worth the money. Cost more to get them up to spec. The lowest I have seen for a 747-400 were the former MH ones prior to Boeing getting them. They were combi's rumored to go for $37M but most 744's have been around 50-60M if they are worth operating. The 300's are about what you have said.


>I'm very surprised that the C Checks on an MD80
>series are costing anywhere near $4 - 5m as you say,
>AC Vitale - when the Austrian Airlines aircraft were
>delivered to Safair, the checks costs just over $1m
>each for a D and a fair amount of work was required!
>With those sorts of figures, I'd assume that both
>engines are in need of a full overhaul.

While not privy to that transaction I was referring specifically to the Republic/NW aircraft. Additionally, I have seen several MD80s that have needed "additional" items, such as new interiors (Around $300K +) and avionics upgrades (around 800K-1.4M) Flight recorder updates (200K+) wiring replacement and insulation replacement (600K-1.3M) and more. The "c-d checked overhauled engines coming out of some out stations as clean have failed on bore - scope testing and hot sections have needed to be pulled and redone after acceptance when the PMI's refused them for some startup carriers. In short. One needs to be very careful when buying used "values" as they are not often what they claim to be. Often the deal on a plane is no deal at all.

Another item. I have numerous time been given a price and condition for a plane then found the title clouded, the check non existant and other discreprancies. (IE - An ex-Alaska B737-300 was for sale with clear title and fresh D check by an Asian operation. It was neither clear title as monies were still owed to AS and had such a maint. nightmare the maint would have run more then the plane was worth to get to FAA specs and with clear traceable parts history)

>I also think that your prices for the MD83s are way on >the high side, bearing in mind the market overhang
>and current conditions.

I can only tell you.. You get what you pay for.. As the adeage goes "You can pay me now or pay me later" If the FAA/CAA/JAA grounds your carrier cause you bought crap, have incomplete records, etc and you are stuck reaccom booked pax, spending millions on getting up to spec and more that cheap plane is no longer a deal!

>Plus, what do you mean "roun out ... with current C
>check"? The definition of 'run out' is that it's due ?
>heavy maintenance - and therefore would be without
> a C check!

Actually, by run out I mean the condition. A fresh C or D does not mean a clean interior, configured galleys the way you want them. The right avionics and the right configuration. Heck you can buy a hanger queen cheap. I was specifically referring to that. I call them "dogs" and "hanger queens"

I have closed on 5 MD82s and 2 MD83s in recent months. How many have you bought. Mine are flying now with an un-named carrier. Serving well with a 98 and change operational reliability on aircarft aged 8-17 years old. Not a bad track record. I have seen those bargains bring op reliability down to 50-60% ranges hardly a deal in the end...

>Of course, the MD80s are marginally in compliance
>with Stage III and would not be acceptable without
>hushkits etc for Stage IV; which is also affecting their
>values.

I expect to see the MD80s flying for another 12-18 years in the US. The biggest hit in value is the realitively high cost (CASM) for operations with maint., fuel, and whatnot compared to B737NG, A320 and my fav B757. Of course the MD90 solves much of that as mentioned before.

Ciao,
Al
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:31 am

check out www.aso.com

they have large commerical transports and some w/ prices.
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Wed Sep 26, 2001 3:50 am

Acvitale:

I had always wondered what happened to the former Republic/NW MD-80s. There are seven of them, correct?

Any chance we'll be seeing them in the air any time soon?
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Wed Sep 26, 2001 4:05 am

I had always wondered what happened to the former Republic/NW MD-80s

N301RC has been scrapped.

N302RC, N307RC, N309RC, N311RC, N313RC and N314RC are stored at Marana

N312RC was writted off at DTW in 1987.
 
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RE: Price Of MD80 (used)

Wed Sep 26, 2001 6:23 am

If the MD-90 is quieter and more efficient than the A320/73G, then why did it fail?