legolars
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Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:15 am

im interesseted, are any of these two companies much bigger in terms of sales this year, than the other?
 
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:27 am

I don't have the latest figures with me (but I can give them tomorrow)
Currently, both have less orders than last year.
And Airbus is first by a big margin. (more than 80)
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 2:43 am

it seems like airbus is really winning now, and what want happen when a380 comes. i mean, maybe not the best ever, but certainly people will choose it against 747-400.

what now boeing?
 
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 5:15 am

The results so far:
212 Boeing (as for 18. Sept 2001) vs.
323 Airbus aircraft (as for 31. August 2001).

Not included the cancellations. Boeing has cancellations for 48 aircraft, Airbus a similar number, mainly due to the take over of TWA by AA.

But we will for sure see more cancellations in the next few months.


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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 6:04 am

I would think that Airbus has sold more aircraft than Boeing which is why 30,000 Boeing employees are getting laid off. So far from what I heard from CNN is that Airbus has not scheduled any large layoffs.
 
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 9:25 am

Probably also because they don't have as large an exposure to the US market, which (although the world aviation market is having problems), is taking a larger nosedive that Europe or indeed many other economic areas.
 
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:03 pm

Airbus, like Air France is subsidised by the French government and therefore can sustain losses and still be propped up by the goverment, this unfortunately isnt the same deal for Boeing.

I also seem to see Airbus get a lot more orders than Boeing, yet Boeing seems to deliver a lot more planes. Orders in at Airbus dont always seem to come to fruition, and while there is that element at boeing also, it doesnt seem to be equal.

and... no I dont have a preference, so dont start it...

Jer
 
teva
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 5:45 pm

Jer,
I am sorry, but today, Airbus is a private, profitable, European company.
Major shareholder is EADS.
Stop listening to propaganda.
The only help Airbus receives is made of loans that they reimburse.

If AIrbus doesn't plan layoffs today, it is for 2 reasons.
1) they were planning to increase production (and then have higher cost. With the decrease in demand, they just are cancelling this.

2) EADS does not only produce AIrbus. They have other activities (helicopters, military planes, space) All those activities will help the group to wait for the next cycle i the industry.

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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 6:05 pm

Any chance for Boeing to catch up?
 
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Teva

Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:00 pm

Your information is not entirely correct according to almost every source I read. Yes it is true that they are NOW a private company, this occured on July 1st this year. After years of government assistance to get them where they are. Secondly, Their loans are totally government subsidized, this is actually in the middle of an investigation by the World Trade Organisation. Look up Airbus and Subsidized on any search engine and see what you find.

I dont actually care about this debate much though, I really like airbus and really like what they are doing, just was making a point

Jer
 
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:27 pm

Jer,
just to close the debate, there are facts... and lobbying.
The US complain about Airbus receiving the low interest loans from Europe...
Europe complains about the US financing Boeing through over estimated research and military contracts.
WTO is investigating both cases.
And for me it is both government help their companies, for about the same amount . Just the method is different.

And a lot of US companies make components for Airbus.
And a lot of European companies workfor Boeing.

And I don't like all the Airbus, and I like some Boeings

C'est la vie....
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:28 pm

For everyone:

This is a good tip, invest in EADS, buy some Airbus stocks because there's a rumour here that the french government is giving away money to them. It must therefore be an excellent investment and I wonder why all the Wall street's goldenboys don't invest a little bit more in this unbelieavable opportunity.
Just imagine, a private company subsidised by the French government.... oh God, we learn such strange things on this website. Big grin
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RE: Who Sold The Most In 2001 So Far Airbus/Boeing?

Thu Sep 27, 2001 12:00 am

"I also seem to see Airbus get a lot more orders than Boeing, yet Boeing seems to deliver a lot more planes. Orders in at Airbus dont always seem to come to fruition, and while there is that element at boeing also, it doesnt seem to be equal. "

This seems to be true. Airliner world lists the total monthly deliveries each issue, & boeing does seem to be ahead by about 10-15 ac each time. I'm not doubting that Airbus may get more orders, but if you compare actual deliveries, Being does seem to win out there.

Also, to whomever brought it up (in regards to the 744)I doubt the A380 will be a big seller (Perhaps a production run of about 90-95 AC). That said, I sure do hope to get a ride in one sometime, it looks marvelous, Like a pax verion of the AN124 or something.